Pictures of FG2 FPVs - Page 4

csv8 · 05-12-2011, 11:42 AM

They need an HSV front!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rodge · 05-12-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

According to a reliable source the power war will remain dorment for a few years. It's senseless as well as pointless at the moment to give it any increase.

Unless of course they want to bring something fresher to the market and actually sell more. I often wonder whether the apparently deeply intrenched V8 bias within FPV is really good for the brand and when you look at the relative investment between the SC V8 and the F6 its hard not to draw the conclusion that FPV deliberatly want the F6 to play second fiddle. Hand-me-down darkened wheels from the GT, oh please lets just take our blinkers off for a minute and be honest about it, any way you cut the mustard that's pretty lame.

SteveJH · 05-12-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Unless of course they want to bring something fresher to the market and actually sell more. I often wonder whether the apparently deeply intrenched V8 bias within FPV is really good for the brand and when you look at the relative investment between the SC V8 and the F6 its hard not to draw the conclusion that FPV deliberatly want the F6 to play second fiddle. Hand--down wheels, oh please lets just take our blinkers off for a minute and be honest about it, any way you cut the mustard that's pretty lame.

Why do they need more power though, they are already the fastest locally produced cars.

What they do need is some money spent on other aspects of the car.

Rodge · 05-12-2011, 12:06 PM

That's simple Steve, because they can.
Why not, because they don't want to upstage... we know what

At the moment one has to put the pair under an electron microscope to split hairs in the performance difference and realistically that probably suits them just fine. Mods will be pleased that I seem to have misplaced my microscope lately and I've got a funny feeling they don't want me to find it again

prydey · 05-12-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

They need an HSV front!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whilst HSV are extremely overstated, no one will ever mistake one for being just a commodore.

Chopped · 05-12-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

They need an HSV front!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, no they don't

(I know what you mean but just not the HSV front!)

Falc'man · 05-12-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Unless of course they want to bring something fresher to the market and actually sell more. I often wonder whether the apparently deeply intrenched V8 bias within FPV is really good for the brand and when you look at the relative investment between the SC V8 and the F6 its hard not to draw the conclusion that FPV deliberatly want the F6 to play second fiddle. Hand-me-down darkened wheels from the GT, oh please lets just take our blinkers off for a minute and be honest about it, any way you cut the mustard that's pretty lame.

a) why do you think it's lame when there's nothing between them (as you suggest)?
b) for what purpose would FPV need to make the F6 quicker than the GT when both hand the HSV's their backsides? The GT is practically a bee's quicker so in the great scheme of things does that matter to you so much?
c) in terms of content what more could the F6 have that the GT has, apart from the note?
d) as I said, the power war is on hold, nothing will happen for a while despite what you thought you heard from the FPV engineer.

Maybe you really did expect an 8sp ZF.

Falc'man · 05-12-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

No, no they don't

Yes, yes I agree.

Rodge · 05-12-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

a) why do you think it's lame when there's nothing between them (as you suggest)?
b) for what purpose would FPV need to make the F6 quicker than the GT when both hand the HSV's their backsides? The GT is practically a bee's quicker so in the great scheme of things does that matter to you so much?
c) in terms of content what more could the F6 have that the GT has, apart from the note?
d) as I said, the power war is on hold, nothing will happen for a while despite what you thought you heard from the FPV engineer.
Maybe you really did expect an 8sp ZF.

a) F6 has had its own unique wheels for years, now they get hand-me-down ones from GT, that trust me won't suit everyone, not everyone likes dark wheels by any means.
b) It wouldn't have killed them to take the brakes off the PCM of the F6 in terms of evolving the F6 niche within the brand. What meaningful reason have existing F6 owners got to trade-up ?, besides now there's headroom up to the 335 peak power.
c) Proper sports seats, the lumbar "support" if you can call it that of existing F6 seats is hopeless in the twisties, (option of GT-P seats makes sense) or at the least they could have had decent seat bolsters like in the case of BF2 Typhoon seats.
d) He said they were working hard on it and whether he admitts it or not clearly inferred there would be improvements. What I'm suggesting is they havn't worked hard enough and I'd bet money future market sales of the F6 will validate my point of view.
e) As you know we've covered that before. That would cost serious money they havn't got.

Why would existing F6 owners upgrade when the vehicle they're being offerred is substantivly the same as a 2008 F6, same power, same torque, same handling, same driveline, same shape, same brakes, same soft unsupportive seats. FPV do almost exactly the same with MK2 F6 and they expect a different result...or do they ?
Suits me that FPV have a very clear R&D bias towards the SC V8 but I can't see turbo six fans doing handstands over it.

SVT8 · 05-12-2011, 02:05 PM

Engines are fine in them. Gs shouldnt be part of fpv and should be renamed xr8 but looks really good based as the lower spec v8. Dont touch the F6 its a perfect package and the gt needs a revised bulkier bodykit, its to euro looking for what it essentially is.

The GT needs to be more unique and a bit different looking to the F6 (just like the R8). I can always get wider tyres and coilovers but i cant touch the body much without making it look like a mockup.

Smoke Pursuit · 05-12-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

No, no they don't
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(I know what you mean but just not the HSV front!)

That actually looks bloody TOUGH!

Rodge · 05-12-2011, 03:01 PM

Even those bloody awful DRL's would have at least have given it a different front end lookand the young guys are into bonnett vents arn't they ?

HULK EF · 05-12-2011, 03:04 PM

The "black edition bumper would have been nice..

Gs ute the winner in the looks department for visual change..

Its going to take a professional fordforums trainspotter to "spot" a FG MK11 FPV gt or T model..

more of a refinement than anything else..

**Polyal** · 05-12-2011, 03:12 PM

It is a good thing they go like stink, but its a bit funny that some are saying it needs a crook front end like the HSV's, im sure the same people have been bagging them for ages.

HSV is OTT, but points given for making it look different, I dont really care what FPV's future product plans are going to be the GT should have the MMS front end atleast.

The GS still seems to be in limbo between Ford/FPV...while its important I think next time around they really need to decide whether its a Ford or a Falcon trying to be a FPV. The F6 should become the entry point.

I dont think its bad looking, but is it enough for a "mk2"..dont know.

Bossxr8 · 05-12-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

They need an HSV front!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh god no

As for a power upgrade, they don't need it at the moment, GT's make more power than the HSV's and both the GT and F6 are faster than them, so FPV won't touch them until HSV get their new engine in 2013/14.

I'd say with the next Falcon facelift being 2013 it will happen then, just in time to up the power enough to move further over HSV, considering the new 5.5 will make 325 kw in Corvette.

Hopefully the upgraded suspension and wider rears come next year. And they should whack the Motorshow Black Edition front bar on them.

HULK EF · 05-12-2011, 03:58 PM

Fg Mk11 to Mk111
wider rear tyres
suspension tune
engine tune.
different stripe kit?
Who knows about rim choice!
Black series bumper..

or go from "FG F-ing good" to "FH F-ing Hot"??? lol

actauly pretty much like the gs bumper.. Would make an awesome xr8!

dimka100 · 05-12-2011, 04:30 PM

Looking at the F6 MarkII I can personally see even less value than when it was launched back in 2008 … hell it’s the exact same car (apart from the nicer screen) but it’s almost the year 2012!

The market has moved on, the competition has moved on (I’m not just talking Holden), people’s expectations have evolved as time passed by (hence the crappy sales numbers of recent even with the low RRP price).

I’m not really sure what FPV was thinking, but most people who buy performance cars care for mechanical first, fancy screens second … man at least they could have fitted a proper sound system in to well with the fancy screen …

excopau · 05-12-2011, 05:08 PM

i think FPV forget that the F6 is what it got through on until it got a real V8, now it wants to kill it slowly, not everyone wants an V8 or the extra 16000 price tag or rego and insurance. So why not put some money into it to refresh it a bit, im sure F6 paid its due not like the money the V8 owe over the years.

Rodge · 05-12-2011, 05:12 PM

^^ Good point, it was a landmark vehicle back in early 2008 and apart from meeting Euro 4 emission requirements that actually resulted in auto versions using half a litre more fuel per 100 km's, they've effectivly rested on their laurels for nearly four years (apart from including mandatory changes brought about by Falcon FG2 of course). Makes me wonder if they really want to sell it, is this a deliberate ploy to try and move customers further up the food chain ?...after all it worked in my case.

falcongt4me · 05-12-2011, 05:19 PM

valid points however, being able to change the psychi of having a 6 cyl outperform an 8 will always be a big issue to overcome. Can only imagine the impact that would have on GT sales...

SteveJH · 05-12-2011, 05:34 PM

They should have badged the F6 at 315 and GS at 310 or the F6 at 320 and the GS at either 310 or 315.

excopau · 05-12-2011, 05:37 PM

Wasnt it funny how tickford had v8's and not many sold, u dig up an old name plate and they sell, even with 30 years of missing links we all jump to buy one lol. I just think F6 deserves same money and resources as the v8, even if it goes into interior or suspension, or decent wheels, not an hand me down of some wheels

falcongt4me · 05-12-2011, 05:41 PM

theres so many choices of wheels out there now, they were never going to get it suited to everyones taste.

DanielXR8 · 05-12-2011, 05:44 PM

I'm not sure why people are asking "why don't Ford/FPV do this or that".

Falcon sells in poor numbers. FPV sells in ok numbers, but still a very limited market. Both companies are in "hold the line" mode until Falcon is gone. There just isn't the market to justify the money that would need to be spent to make the changes people on here want.

Some might not like hearing it, but really both companies are trying to turn over a profit on small sales volumes, amortise their costs and all in the limited time left for the platform. Considering how much FG has had spent on it since its launch in 2008, I think they have done a pretty good job.

GS has a worthwhile equipment upgrade that brings it up to where it should have been from the start of Coyote production, GT and F6 have been tweaked and that's it folks. None of the cars can justify any more dollars.

If we are lucky we might get one more refresh before the end, otherwise the cars are going out in the best form they have ever been. All in all not a bad ending for the FG series cars is it?

I reckon that Prodrive and Ford have done pretty well in the circumstances. The truth is in years gone by when Falcon was a lot more profitable, I don't think it got any where near the funding dollar vs sales, that it has had since FG.

If FG turns out to be the last Falcon, its a pretty good effort in my opinion.

Dan

SteveJH · 05-12-2011, 05:48 PM

If Falcon production ends in Australia, is that the end of FPV or will they play with whatever is brought in to replace the falcon?

When does the Territory platform need full replacement?

ToCo · 05-12-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Maybe you really did expect an 8sp ZF.

hahahahaha brilliant

excopau · 05-12-2011, 07:41 PM

FPV were nearly better off doing nothing to the cars until they did some real changes, all it did was **** people off expecting so much more from 3 to 4 yr old car.

No.6 · 05-12-2011, 08:28 PM

i dont think any power upgrades is necessary. But minor styling cues to differentiate the exterior of the F6/GT from the series 1 (besides the projectors) like a stripe package or a slight change to the frontend bumber would be enough.

Oh well. Heres hoping the FH will bring some visual changes...if it ever comes out.

joelbirger · 05-12-2011, 08:47 PM

gt is the pick ,bit unsure of the terriotry inpired gs lower grill,

Smoke Pursuit · 05-12-2011, 08:54 PM

FPV is currently making up nearly 10% of all Falcon sales including fleet (sedan)... 5 years ago it would have been around the 3 - 5%. FPV as a brand is still doing okay, if you looked at FPV verse Ford in the private sector FPV probably represents about 20% of Fords private Falcon sales. If anyone has a problem its Ford... not FPV.... FPV have not really culled any models, they have only added over the years (minus F6X and the Pursuits)...

There seems to be alot of conflict between Ford and FPV these days internally.... Seems like one company wants to take one direction while the other doesn't... They pretty much have 2 competiting products now, the XR6 Turbo and the GS, both fighting one another... The XR6 Turbo has a price advantage, while the GS has a few extra bits standard, a V8 motor and the FPV badge. Sadly one company has an advantage as it sets the ground rules for the other... No guesses who has the advantage...

I can't see prodrive continuing on long term. They washed their hands of TRD pretty quickly... FPV has been a tough gig for them, especially with the investment they have had to throw at the V8, then the whole XR8 / GS issue.