Modern Day Cars & the Test of Time.

[WHYME]

So my fellow Ford brethren, it's true that many of us want to hang onto our cars for a long time, if not forever.

The saying can be true especially for those of us who own classics like FPV's and high performance cars in general.

Now my question is, would it be possible to keep a modern day car (by modern I mean BA onwards) for the next 20+ years?

We all know the old school cars like XY's etc, have stood the test of time but they weren't really advanced in terms of technology and electronics, therefore easy to maintain and keep running.

How will our cars hold up in the future? Will parts be easy to find when something goes bust? With our cars being more technologically advanced, a lot more things can go wrong so what do you think fellow pub members?

[Road_Warrior]

I think so. Where there is a will, there is a way. When VN's and EA's were new people claimed they wouldn't last but they are still around.

The key is looking after them. Unfortunately as a car ages it's value decreases to the point the "carefactor" in looking after it becomes zero. That and the number of owners it has had, especially younger drivers with their youthful exuberance and the toll it can take on an older car.

[Sioso]

If the car in question has some sort of following in the future then there will be someone around willing to capitalise on it.

[new2ford]

What about the electronics and computer hardware/software that virtually runs modern cars. What will happen with that as those systems become obsolete and superseded? And will the average amateur be able to tinker around with that and keep it going?

[Chopped]

If there is a market for it and money to be made, then yes these cars will survive.

[LoudPipes]

Enthusiasts already do it with 40 year old superseded audio and other old electronic goods.

They find newer compatible components, aftermarket supply’s some replica parts, they come up with bypass systems that integrate modern day modules and so on.

So yeah, as others have said, if there is a future market, there will be a way.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by new2ford

What about the electronics and computer hardware/software that virtually runs modern cars. What will happen with that as those systems become obsolete and superseded? And will the average amateur be able to tinker around with that and keep it going?

I'm tipping in 20 or 30 years there will be some ridiculous phone app that will be able to bypass and or replicate all of your car's systems in the event one fails.

[Lunch]

I hope so cos i really want to get my grubby hands on a FORCE 8 or even a nice BF GT-P and put it in the shed on the farm, I was stalking a sweet xm coupe on eastlink on Sunday, for some reason i cant see my fg xr6t lasting that long

[BLUEYBA]

you will need to look after modern cars a lot better than the older cars. Cars like most things nowadays are not made to last. Companies want you to buy the newest and latest model of everything. Plus with all the electronics, these parts can stop working even without being used a lot.

[commodorenutt]

To look at where a BA GT would be in 20 years time, you only have to look at the age gap in today's terms - which is looking at the mid 80s cars

30 years ago we had basic EFI (Bosch L-Jetronic) in Holdens & Fords, and some of those are still surviving, with very little support from the aftermarket.

With GTs, there's such a strong following for the X series, that the aftermarket has flourished, through sheer demand.

The demand isn't as far reaching with 'newer' old cars, but there are niches being capitalised upon by those with the business & low-volume production know-how, and those opportunities will continue to present themselves.

You only have to look at 28 year old VL turbos. Whilst a lot of them are heavily modified, there's still a fair number running stock electronic systems - years of experience have nutted out all the common issues and solutions.

That being said, it's not the electronics that are an issue with the VL - it's finding parts unique to that model - it's almost impossible to get brand new genuine headlights for both sides, and genuine bumper plastics are like rocking horse doo-doo (aftermarket is rubbish). People are having to pay stupid money for NOS parts to finish earlier commodore restorations ($1200 for a pair of VK headlights, VH SLE tail lights advertised for the cost of a VR commodore etc).

Unless you have the volume to justify reproducing decent quality parts, then it's those sort of parts, not the electronics that will end up being the problem.

[Ben73]

I think there will be always people out there willing to put in the time and effort into learning how to restore and maintain all the complicated computers and electronics in newer cars.
But it will probably will be more expensive to restore a current model car in 40 years than it is to restore a 40 year old car now.

[FalconXV]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

Unless you have the volume to justify reproducing decent quality parts, then it's those sort of parts, not the electronics that will end up being the problem.

What if Rare Spares diversifies into 3D printer templates by the end of the decade... ;)

[commodorenutt]

That might be OK for plastic parts, but not glass OEM headlight lenses.

And if the quality of their existing range is anything to go by....

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

That might be OK for plastic parts, but not glass OEM headlight lenses.

And if the quality of their existing range is anything to go by....

"Existing range" ? Do they still make OEM glass lenses ?

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

To look at where a BA GT would be in 20 years time, you only have to look at the age gap in today's terms - which is looking at the mid 80s cars

30 years ago we had basic EFI (Bosch L-Jetronic) in Holdens & Fords, and some of those are still surviving, with very little support from the aftermarket.

With GTs, there's such a strong following for the X series, that the aftermarket has flourished, through sheer demand.

The demand isn't as far reaching with 'newer' old cars, but there are niches being capitalised upon by those with the business & low-volume production know-how, and those opportunities will continue to present themselves.

You only have to look at 28 year old VL turbos. Whilst a lot of them are heavily modified, there's still a fair number running stock electronic systems - years of experience have nutted out all the common issues and solutions.

That being said, it's not the electronics that are an issue with the VL - it's finding parts unique to that model - it's almost impossible to get brand new genuine headlights for both sides, and genuine bumper plastics are like rocking horse doo-doo (aftermarket is rubbish). People are having to pay stupid money for NOS parts to finish earlier commodore restorations ($1200 for a pair of VK headlights, VH SLE tail lights advertised for the cost of a VR commodore etc).

Unless you have the volume to justify reproducing decent quality parts, then it's those sort of parts, not the electronics that will end up being the problem.

VL Turbo are hardly a classic car - combo of GM body with Nissan engine was necessity of the time for Holden but restoring one ? Probably not.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

VL Turbo are hardly a classic car - combo of GM body with Nissan engine was necessity of the time for Holden but restoring one ? Probably not.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Just look at how little XY's were worth at one point in time..

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Just look at how little XY's were worth at one point in time..

True to some extent. Probably all cars from that era suffered a similar decrease in value and desirability ( XY's the least I'd assume) for different reasons. I doubt it will ever happen like that again though. Even Van Gogh died a penniless man.

[Sprintey]

Weeellll, I'm 20 years in on an ED XR8 Sprint now. Driveline is fine, Windsor early EFI (it's actually the 1993 Mustang Cobra SVO motor), easy to fix and very tough. Suspension ditto. Paint gets scratches but no worse than working on an XY. Replacing units like the cassette/radio is no biggie. EEC-V unit going well, ABS units can require a rebuild. But as parts get more rare, they go up in price: like a Tickford headlight, the centre console with leather lid, the unique leather/trim combo. They should be supported as they get older, to the degree of XY-XW, I don't know.

[xrxystu]

In regards to the orignal question, a mate and I were discussing a similar thing the other day.

I have just bought myself a 1992 EB Fairmont Ghia. It's unregistered at the moment and needs a little bit of work to get back on the road but is still in remarkably good condition for a 22 year old car. All the electrics work just fine, the engine, brakes and driveline are still good and there's no rust in it. It's done about 220,000kms.

Back in the early 90's I got my first car- a 1967 XR Fairmont which I still have to this day. When I got the XR it was pretty clapped out- rusty, interior in poor condition, engine in need of a rebuild, brakes stuffed and about every suspension part needed replacing. At the time it was a 24 year old car.

From that, I'd say that cars are built much better these days.

But of course a lot of it comes down to who owns them and how they've been treated.

Stu

[Lunch]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

True to some extent. Probably all cars from that era suffered a similar decrease in value and desirability ( XY's the least I'd assume) for different reasons. I doubt it will ever happen like that again though. Even Van Gogh died a penniless man.

I think most 70s cars that held value were Bathurst winners.. eg: LJ gtr xu1 has always been worth more than an LC gtr, the LJ won Bathurst, the LC didnt ( sorry for the holden reference)

[WHYME]

Good answers so far, my biggest concern would be the electronics and how they hold up in the long term, but I guess if you look after your car anything is possible.

[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

VL Turbo are hardly a classic car - combo of GM body with Nissan engine was necessity of the time for Holden but restoring one ? Probably not.

Haven't been to Melbourne much? They are a cult car down there, with many more yellow ones ripping up the streets than GMH ever produced. Sound familiar to how many GTs left Broadmeadows?

Very few single models of car (and even narrowing it down to just one engine spec) can claim that sort of following and fanaticism, so they are definitely becoming a modern classic.


And the guys wanting genuine parts (like the glass headlight lenses) are restoring VL Brocks & Walkinshaws. They are quite popular as a form of modern muscle.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by new2ford

What about the electronics and computer hardware/software that virtually runs modern cars. What will happen with that as those systems become obsolete and superseded? And will the average amateur be able to tinker around with that and keep it going?

Cooldrive in Thomastown in Melbourne is doing replacement ECU and BCM for many cars now and Injectronics in Tullamarine can repair most module faults too.

Even older Falcons such as E series, in the last 5 years there has been a few interesting developments occuring on the scene.

The problem E series have is that no one wants to spend money fixing them as they're worth less than two full days labour costs if you have something out of the norm occuring with it.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Just look at how little XY's were worth at one point in time..

The XY GTs were always pricey, relative to the non GTs. About the only OZ car to consistantly command a fairly good price until the muscle car boom...

[blackf6]

Don't see why not. Whole systems can be upgraded changed out. Replace the suspension, wiring looms, engine, trans. Car are just piles of interchangeable parts are they not. Harder to keep the car totally original when parts dry up. Then the aftermarket steps in.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by Fully6

I guess if you look after your car anything is possible.

That, and how much you're prepared to spend. Any car can last a long time if you're willing to spend money on keeping it in top notch condition.

[WHYME]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

VL Turbo are hardly a classic car - combo of GM body with Nissan engine was necessity of the time for Holden but restoring one ? Probably not.

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

Haven't been to Melbourne much? They are a cult car down there, with many more yellow ones ripping up the streets than GMH ever produced. Sound familiar to how many GTs left Broadmeadows?

Very few single models of car (and even narrowing it down to just one engine spec) can claim that sort of following and fanaticism, so they are definitely becoming a modern classic.


And the guys wanting genuine parts (like the glass headlight lenses) are restoring VL Brocks & Walkinshaws. They are quite popular as a form of modern muscle.

Yep it's true. VL Turbos have a huge following down here (not sure how it is in other states) but they can definitely be considered a modern classic.

In fact they demand pretty good coin too, just check carsales and you might be surprised how much some good examples are going for.

[Magna]

my brother's got a 1988 EA Falcon wagon daily, still going strong after 26 years.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by NX74205

That, and how much you're prepared to spend. Any car can last a long time if you're willing to spend money on keeping it in top notch condition.

Regular maintenance and regular useage.

Cars stored away may look good on the outside but lots of things like seals and sundry electricals can perish over time.

Also , if you plan to keep the car , stash away the perishables now whilst there are factory original spares available. Interior trim and fabric , rubber door seals and switches. With B series , we are lucky , wreckers will be full of them for a while to come and plenty of B series FPV's still around. The prices though will make your sphincter contract smaller than the eye of a needle........

[pottery beige]

rust kills anything

there is no way it effects the newer stuff like any of the X Series

knowledge and simple fixes follow the era of the car

new stuff will hang in there a lot better than the old stuff

no bs