Falcon sales January - Page 4

flooded one · 08-02-2015, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

i'm still trying to figure out what Falcon Sales have to do with some young lady in an advertisement and her looks. If people were keen on a new falcon, they dont need an ad to tell them they should go and find a dealer with a big oval sign above their yard and look at a new falcon.

I agree. If someone wants something bad enough they'll buy it.

superyob · 08-02-2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Fair enough, but I reckon if it was a guy in the ad and I called him ugly, you wouldn't have any qualms about it at all. Some people out there feel the need to defend females for whatever reason, whereas men are just expected to take insults on the chin.

Why do you have to insult anyone? It just diminishes your point of view and reveals much more about you than your ability (or lack there-of) to articulate an argument or line of reasoning...

Remember too, that opinion, needed or not, is a double edged sword...

LoudPipes · 08-02-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kieron

Eaxtly. If I'm not mistaken, Holden have said they are actually losing money on each Commode they unload.

In business, if you spend a million bucks in one area and it makes you 3 million and you see an opportunity to spend that same million bucks in another growing area that has the potential to make 10 million, you spend on that instead.

I actually think Ford are looking at the longer term and have a better strategy than Holden.

The financial profit and loss statements of a Public Limited company is in no way as cut and dry or as simplistic as what you’ve eluded.

I won’t pretend to be overly au fait with Australian Tax Law for a Limited Company like Holden but I will say a loss can just as easy be a tax right off if the right criteria are met.

Adamz Ghia · 08-02-2015, 06:18 PM

Mr Z would want to be a good looking bloke or have a hot missus if he's calling her ugly...

Cobra · 08-02-2015, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Mate, you didn't respond to my reply to your post. If it was a guy in the ad and I said he was ugly, would you have gotten as upset as you did?

Besides, I'm stating an opinion, since when is that not allowed here? You might say "it's not relevant", but it is. You simply missed the point of my original post which was this - although Ford ads do exist as I pointed out, would you rather look at an ugly girl or see no Ford ad at all? I'd prefer the latter. In other words, it's sometimes preferable to have no ads than the rubbish ones they usually put out (the "I can visit all my Facebook friends on one tank of diesel in my Territory" was perhaps the worst they ever made).

I'm not sure that I follow your logic. Is the ad posted above "rubbish" because that girl is "ugly" (according to you), or is the ad "rubbish" and that girl is "ugly"?

simon varley · 08-02-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

I agree. If someone wants something bad enough they'll buy it.

but only if they know about it.

flooded one · 08-02-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

but only if they know about it.

pretty sure most people know about the Falcon. just they don't care

or are you another one of these why don't Ford make an Ad for the FG-X but drives an AU with no intention of buying an FG-X new type person which seems to be in abundants atm?

Adamz Ghia · 08-02-2015, 11:42 PM

Everyone knows about maccas, coke, Apple ect and they still advertise. No one knew they wanted a tablet until Apple told them they needed one. I don't profess to know what the right mix is re tv/ Internet but I do think they could do more with both.

XR Martin · 09-02-2015, 01:30 AM

Ford advertising the Falcon would be like Dunlop advertising the KT26

simon varley · 09-02-2015, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

pretty sure most people know about the Falcon. just they don't care

or are you another one of these why don't Ford make an Ad for the FG-X but drives an AU with no intention of buying an FG-X new type person which seems to be in abundants atm?

most people have no idea that the FGX is out. Just as they have no idea that Falcon comes in a 4-pot.

**Giant Cranium** · 09-02-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

most people have no idea that the FGX is out. Just as they have no idea that Falcon comes in a 4-pot.

I love my falcons but that post just reminded me about the 4 pot. I completely forgot about it

Davehoos · 09-02-2015, 09:18 AM

My facebook is full of holden-imported- will be built to suit Australia adds-with little kids telling us that there is a future.
because they are reengineered here in OZ.

Ford adds for the last few years are along the line of-we have the leftovers because we the demand for our product world wide is so great, and mazda Kia was ford anyway.

prydey · 09-02-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

I love my falcons but that post just reminded me about the 4 pot. I completely forgot about it

i find those 2 sentences a complete contradiction.

Sprintey · 09-02-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

My guess is that Territory is still in a relevant segment and when its gone it will be replaced by something else so would make sense to keep the sales ticking over. Falcon on the other hand is finished and wont be replaced. Ford are trying to put people into other cars in their range.

So what happened with the other cars in the range then? Ranger yes, but chronic underperformance from Mondeo, Focus, Fiesta.

borough · 09-02-2015, 04:04 PM

I was very keen in Jan to purchase an FGX 3 seater ute. I went to a Ford dealer to find out if a Child seat could be fitted to the passenger seat like my AU. The answer I got was no. So I ended up getting a new Triton Dual-Cab 4x4 truck for about the same price Ford wanted for the FGX.

FalconXV · 09-02-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Here's a Ford ad for all of you complainers out there:

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I see this ugly chick all the time.

Yeah she's kind of a ***** hey.

flooded one · 09-02-2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

most people have no idea that the FGX is out. Just as they have no idea that Falcon comes in a 4-pot.

people know about it, there was a article on carguides that bad mouth the FG-X sales, people researching cars (as alot do before buying a new car) will see this and wont care, people that walk through Ford dealers see the FG-X will look at it. but wont buy it as the car don't suit there needs and/or don't care. people know about it. they don't care. even advertising it wont help. I've seen the ad for the upgraded Territory plenty of times, sales of Territory aren't exactly skyrocketing atm. Ford have the car on its website. If Ford wasn't wanting people to know about it. It wouldn't be on there website or even in its dealerships. ever heard a quote buy David Ogilvy?? " A good advertisement is one which sells the product without drawing attention to its self"?? everyone knows Fords shutting up shop in 2016 and everyone knows the Falcon is still in production till then. problem is the market has moved on. the typical Falcon buyer has either downsized or has gone to an SUV. Territory's problem is the market has caught up and there is so many choices now then what there was in 2004.

flooded one · 09-02-2015, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by borough

I was very keen in Jan to purchase an FGX 3 seater ute. I went to a Ford dealer to find out if a Child seat could be fitted to the passenger seat like my AU. The answer I got was no. So I ended up getting a new Triton Dual-Cab 4x4 truck for about the same price Ford wanted for the FGX.

again, the car doesn't suit someones needs and so they look elsewhere. what I've been trying to explain to people that think sales are down because of not having a stupid TV ad.

Nikked · 09-02-2015, 07:31 PM

Are we going to go down this path every month for the next 18 months?

-There is no need for falcon advertising besides giving falcon fans something watch (and whinge about). When (reportedly) there are waiting lists on various specs, obviously its selling well enough.

-Components are limited, there would be already a monthly target on how many should be built.

-Fords Tv space needs to be about the post-falcon period.

DanielXR8 · 09-02-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

not saying its true for you, but often people form this opinion simply because ford models aren't topping the sales charts.

i don't agree with the view at all.

do people think brands like kia or vw or nissan are 'on the nose' or 'suck' simply because they don't sell x amount every month.

sales volumes are only important if you are manufacturing locally. since ford have already called time on their local operations, and appear to be selling most of what they build (or are building to order), i don't think they are too concerned with sales figures, or tipping money in to wasted advertising campaigns.

When cars are made locally you say sales volumes don't matter and now you are saying imported sales volumes don't matter. The common thread being they have Ford badges. Here is the thing, I don't think anyone in a boardroom in Dearborn holds your viewpoint. Mass manufacturers like sales volume and Ford is in the business of building and selling cars on mass.

**buggerlugs** · 09-02-2015, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Are we going to go down this path every month for the next 18 months?

-There is no need for falcon advertising besides giving falcon fans something watch (and whinge about). When (reportedly) there are waiting lists on various specs, obviously its selling well enough.

-Components are limited, there would be already a monthly target on how many should be built.

-Fords Tv space needs to be about the post-falcon period.

I thought we have had this every month for the last 18 months...........

flooded one · 09-02-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

I thought we have had this every month for the last 18 months...........

I guess we should prepare for the next 18 months then......

superyob · 09-02-2015, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

When cars are made locally you say sales volumes don't matter and now you are saying imported sales volumes don't matter. The common thread being they have Ford badges. Here is the thing, I don't think anyone in a boardroom in Dearborn holds your viewpoint. Mass manufacturers like sales volume and Ford is in the business of building and selling cars on mass.

En masse...

prydey · 09-02-2015, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

When cars are made locally you say sales volumes don't matter and now you are saying imported sales volumes don't matter. The common thread being they have Ford badges. Here is the thing, I don't think anyone in a boardroom in Dearborn holds your viewpoint. Mass manufacturers like sales volume and Ford is in the business of building and selling cars on mass.

You think those in the head office are losing sleep over the sales figures on a little island in the pacific? All the nameplates are now global, or will be, and I'm pretty sure the factories that are building them are pumping out pretty decent volume. Selling the most doesn't make you successful just like selling the least doesn't make you unsuccessful! Even without falcon and territory sales they would still be in the top ten brands here, and that assumes they will lose those sales where more than likely some will remain with other ford products.

vbvbvb088 · 10-02-2015, 12:35 AM

In 1983 Holden lost market leadership to Ford? Look at specific models and explain why?

vztrt · 10-02-2015, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by borough

I was very keen in Jan to purchase an FGX 3 seater ute. I went to a Ford dealer to find out if a Child seat could be fitted to the passenger seat like my AU. The answer I got was no. So I ended up getting a new Triton Dual-Cab 4x4 truck for about the same price Ford wanted for the FGX.

Unless something has changed you can fit a child seat in the ute. I know I can in the Turbo.

Spammy · 10-02-2015, 08:57 AM

You can fit a fwd facing child seat but not a back facing capsule -- so depends on what the actual question to the dealer was and if the dealer actually knows the correct answer or just pulled it from his rear end.

vztrt · 10-02-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

You can fit a fwd facing child seat but not a back facing capsule -- so depends on what the actual question to the dealer was and if the dealer actually knows the correct answer or just pulled it from his rear end.

I'll take a punt and say he hasn't got a clue.....most salesman seem to be like that.

naddis01 · 10-02-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Unless something has changed you can fit a child seat in the ute. I know I can in the Turbo.

Do you know if it is possible to get a second anchor point fitted in a 3 seater?

borough · 10-02-2015, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I'll take a punt and say he hasn't got a clue.....most salesman seem to be like that.

The question was about forward facing seat and the response was you can't in any FG. I asked to have a look at an owners manual and it wasn't very clear. There was nothing on the Ford website. In the end I thought stuff it if I can't get a positive answer from the salesman (he was very adament) I would take my business elsewhere.