VW Will Pay U.S. TDI Owners $5,000 Each to Compensate for Emissions Cheating

[carwant.com.au]

Will this also be available for Australia consumers?


VW Will Pay U.S. TDI Owners $5,000 Each to Compensate for Emissions Cheating

After months of deliberations, it's said that Volkswagen and the U.S. government have finally come to an agreement over how VW will compensate American customers affected by the ongoing diesel emissions scandal. German newspaper Die Welt reported Wednesday that VW will pay affected U.S. customers $5000 each, per a Reuters report.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ar-settlement/

[Yellow_Festiva]

I wonder what happens to the payment when a car has changed hands? Thousands of these cars would be traded on the used car market on a monthly basis in the US.

[STINKY NINJA]

Vin will be recorded to make sure no car gets paid again.
I think the emissions were falsified on my eb ghia,wheres my 5g ford??

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Vin will be recorded to make sure no car gets paid again.
I think the emissions were falsified on my eb ghia,wheres my 5g ford??

I'm not referring to people getting paid twice.

Just say you bought the car new and sold it 2 weeks ago - just prior to the $5k announcement.

Who should get the money?

They will probably need to make a formula based on ownership before a certain date.

[lgpking22]

fat chance of us getting anything the government is **** weak

[katefactor]

You would think the payment would go to the last owner prior to VW getting busted publicly but what a logistical nightmare that would be

[Phildo]

Car dealerships with a bunch of secondhand VWs oughta be pretty pleased about it...

[castellan]

What the hell do owners get 1cent as it's got nothing to do with them at all !

The owners were saving fuel and getting better performance.

[Russ]

VW Aust. paying owners for anything

[BFGasUte]

Originally Posted by castellan

What the hell do owners get 1cent as it's got nothing to do with them at all !

The owners were saving fuel and getting better performance.

Hello,

The resale value will have dropped, and operating Costs will rise with less performance after the fix.

[Myluckyday]

Well, we didn't buy their (German) Subs, so I doubt that any money will be flowing back to Aussie VW owners.

[Franco Cozzo]

The VW group is the Fourth Reich, their cars are horrible to work on and they're a cheating untrustworthy pack of ****s.

Premium pricing for an unreliable crap product where parts cost the earth.

Hitlers revenge.

[BFGasUte]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

The VW group is the Fourth Reich, their cars are horrible to work on and they're a cheating untrustworthy pack of ****s.

Premium pricing for an unreliable crap product where parts cost the earth.

Hitlers revenge.

Hello,

My thoughts exactly. There are Web sites in the US listing problems people have had, most bought another brand and no more problems. The local dealers are hopeless, I had one as a work Car. Pile of rubbish. Service to match. http://www.cars-that-suck.com/ Have a read through here.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BFGasUte

Hello,

My thoughts exactly. There are Web sites in the US listing problems people have had, most bought another brand and no more problems. The local dealers are hopeless, I had one as a work Car. Pile of rubbish. Service to match. http://www.cars-that-suck.com/ Have a read through here.

Ive had a few roll through my workshop with the usual problems, for example, 2003 VW Golf requiring replacement door lock mechanism on driver side rear door.

Whole inside panel with speaker is one unit, the rods which move the lock assembly have adjustable weights on them.

Replacement assembly is $1100 just for assembly, then we have to pull the old one out and new one in.

2003 BA Falcon door lock assembly is around $275 last time I did one.

We generally wont work on VW cars anymore because the parts prices are crazy and there are always issues with customers about the bill because 'its only a door lock'.

[BFGasUte]

Hello,

The quote I used is almost the same as I used to say where we had VW's ! My Falcon has an air bag in front of me, VW a petrol tank. German engineering ! ( I am making a point, I do know why )

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BFGasUte

Hello,

The quote I used is almost the same as I used to say where we had VW's ! My Falcon has an air bag in front of me, VW a petrol tank. German engineering ! ( I am making a point, I do know why )

And the last VW to have a Fuel tank in the front was ?

[BFGasUte]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

And the last VW to have a Fuel tank in the front was ?

Hello,

I dont know. This is a Ford site, and I have never owned a VW, nor would I. I have seen them in Beetles, and heard stories from a bloke who was a Fiery and saw 1st hand a Woman who died / was burnt in one when the tank went up. An Aussie made Falcon may have flaws, but never the Petrol tank in front of the driver.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by BFGasUte

Hello,

The resale value will have dropped, and operating Costs will rise with less performance after the fix.

The resale has nothing to do with it at all.

To bad she is now up to date after the fix.

People are going to have a hell of a time keeping any new car up to date with the emissions of the latest madness, they have gone too far that it's just become a madness now.

The emission test is only conducted under the parameters of the test, but in the real world of driving one may go beyond them parameters anyway, so it's only the letter of the law we are on about, not truly about the fact of reality so much.

If we were to test every car every year to make sure they are meeting the law, we would have the expense of a Dyno and all the other that goes with it, the cost of such would be madness.

They only found out this emission problem due to one place having such tec too carry out what they found out, I don't think there are many places that could conduct such a testing.

All the ranting that has gone on with the media about all this is just madness, making such a big deal about bugger all.

[mick74GT]

Originally Posted by BFGasUte

Hello,

I dont know. This is a Ford site, and I have never owned a VW, nor would I. I have seen them in Beetles, and heard stories from a bloke who was a Fiery and saw 1st hand a Woman who died / was burnt in one when the tank went up. An Aussie made Falcon may have flaws, but never the Petrol tank in front of the driver.

hey mate,

Look all I can say is my wife has a VW Golf GTD 2010 model, done 170ks, and all we've ever had to do is service it and put a new battery and two new sets of tyres.

it drives like a new car and to be honest the build quality is far better than any Ford, Holden, or HSV ive ever owned.

Just my experiences for what its worth

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BFGasUte

Hello,

I dont know. This is a Ford site, and I have never owned a VW, nor would I. I have seen them in Beetles, and heard stories from a bloke who was a Fiery and saw 1st hand a Woman who died / was burnt in one when the tank went up. An Aussie made Falcon may have flaws, but never the Petrol tank in front of the driver.

My point was that you were comparing a 1960/70's Beetle with a modern Falcon with air bags.
They didn't have airbags back then, silly comparison.

[BFGasUte]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

They didn't have airbags back then, silly comparison.

Hello,

The last Beetle produced was in 2003 in Mexico. Falcon has had them standard since 1994. Nearly 10 years earlier.

[JC]

I don't get this compensation - does anyone really think the owners care? Their car works the same now as it did before anyone knew about the trick. It just happens to pollute more than they though - big deal! Drive a V8 and anything looks cleaner....

[Express]

Dieselgate: VW says Australian owners won’t get compensation because no local laws were broken


29 Apri, 2016


Joshua Dowling
National Motoring Editor
News Corp Australia Network



Volkswagen says models such as the Amarok ute did not breach local laws, even though it was equipped with software that could cheat emissions standards. Picture: Supplied.


VOLKSWAGEN believes Australian customers are not eligible for compensation in the “dieselgate” scandal because no local laws have been breached — even though it admits 100,000 cars sold here and 11 million sold worldwide had software that can cheat emissions tests.

The German car maker is back in Federal Court in Sydney today after being accused of failing to provide key information about its diesel emissions “cheat” software to the law firm leading an Open Class Action in Australia.

In the initial court hearing in December, Judge Foster ordered Volkswagen to explain in detail the “emissions defeat device”.

But law firm Maurice Blackburn says the material supplied in March was insufficient and a phone conference with Volkswagen experts in Germany was cancelled by the car maker at the last minute.

“Volkswagen’s statements of contrition and remorse and promises of transparency are at odds with the steps they are taking in resolving this matter,” said Jason Geisker, principal at Maurice Blackburn Lawyers.



Only a fraction of Volkswagen Amarok utes have had their diesel emissions recall work completed. Picture: Supplied.


The managing director of Volkswagen Australia, Michael Bartsch, said the company has not breached any local laws.

“There are no regulations in Australia or anywhere in the world that requires us to meet real-world driving emissions tests,” said Mr Bartsch.

“The reality is that no manufacturer is required to provide emissions data based on real-world driving performance.”

When asked about the delay in providing more information to the law firm representing Australian customers, Mr Bartsch said Volkswagen has been “as open and transparent as possible (but) we’re heavily reliant on timing and information flow from Germany.”

Mr Geisker said “whether the cars passed or failed Australian regulations, Volkswagen has still misled consumers”.

The court case continues as only a fraction of Australian owners have had their cars fixed, and none have received compensation even though US customers were given $1000 as an “initial goodwill gesture”.



Volkswagen is in trouble because exhaust emissions are much lower in lab conditions versus real world driving. Picture: AFP / Josh Edelson


To date, about 1500 of the 8000 Amarok utes affected locally have had their emissions recall work done, while no fix has been set for the balance of more than 90,000 vehicles in Australia.

Volkswagen says the Amarok ute did not breach local standards when launched in 2011 — even when equipped with the cheating software — because the vehicle’s emissions were well below Australian regulations at the time.

However, Volkswagen did not say by how much emissions increased when the Amarok “cheat mode” was activated in normal driving conditions, rather than in a test lab environment.

To meet increasingly stringent emissions standards, Volkswagen developed software that enabled its cars to pass emissions tests in lab conditions, but they belched out more fumes when driven on the road.

Mr Geisker said: “We find it remarkable that seven months after the scandal has broken that Volkswagen are still saying to consumers they only needed to meet emissions tests in the laboratory and not under ordinary driving conditions”.

The lawyer said the regulations require vehicles to “operate in the same way in testing conditions as on the road”.


This reporter is on Twitter: @JoshuaDowling

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/tec...story-comments

[Bossxr8]

It's amazing that VW are being totally transparent and doing everything they can in Europe and the US, but doing the exact opposite here and denying any problem exists. Poor form.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's amazing that VW are being totally transparent and doing everything they can in Europe and the US, but doing the exact opposite here and denying any problem exists. Poor form.

well they are being transparent in Europe and US because they got heir hands caught in the cookie jar, and Europe and US is where they sell a lot of cars , but Australia is just a back water , and who really gives a toss about shirking their responsibility or a bit of bad publicity on the other side of the planet that in the scheme of things sells bugger all cars anyway.

[BFGasUte]

Hello,

I think there is no Government pressure here, and they know they can get away with it. At one stage there was a 2016 compliance sales ban in the US, so they couldn't sell new Cars there. I would not be sad if they went bust, but jobs would be lost and people who bought Cars would have more issues to keep them running until they can buy something better, such as a Chinese Car. The rep. will still have an impact on resale value, other Car makers made their Cars comply VW didnt. They deserve all they get.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's amazing that VW are being totally transparent and doing everything they can in Europe and the US, but doing the exact opposite here and denying any problem exists. Poor form.

The cars passed our ADR law !

If we had the same level of emission law as Europe all new petrol cars would have to run on 95 octane or 98 to comply.
I don't think NZ is as strict as our ADR laws are because they don't need such a law.
Sydney needs strict ADR emission laws and Melbourne would be the next big Australian city that truly needs to be serious about such laws, but the rest of Australia does not need to be as serious because they are not all that bad, Sydney and Melbourne air pollution is shocking they stink I hate being down their, it must take a few months to get accustomed to the stench as the locals can't smell it.

[lgpking22]

shows how **** weak our government is god i hate those ****ers

[castellan]

Originally Posted by lgpking22

shows how **** weak our government is god i hate those ****ers

Our Government has done nothing wrong in this case at all and VW don't have anything to answer for, as the thing passes our ADR Law no worries at all.

There is nothing to complain about as the bloody thing is clean running and it far from being called bad in reality and people are just stupid to say it is not a clean emitting.
The only thing is it just did not come up to the latest strict new madness of standards.

If anyone is up in arms about such, you should take every car and truck off the road that's been built before 2014 to feel better about such and make sure no one drives a new Falcon running on 91 octane, E10 or 95 plus fuel is a must do.

[lgpking22]

I think you need to get of the drink if i buy a car and they claim some bull**** mileage it gets i want it to ******* get that i dont order a cheese pizza and just take it up the **** when it comes with no cheese like the description claims so why the **** would you with a car.