North Korea vs The US

[Ford17]

Anyone else double-thinking this, and wondering what sort of fallout might stem from Guam into Australia?

[Crazy Dazz]

It's pretty much the dream-result for the US.
They have been itching to pound NK into the dirt for 60 years, but the last thing they want is a ground war.
An excuse to sit back and bomb the crap out of them, whilst looking like the "good guys" is exactly what they want.

Most likely result is that the Chinese will sit back and wait for the USA to waste billions in ordinance, then roll in to "restore order" and install a regime that whilst notionally communist remains friendly to them and doesn't **** off the rest of the world.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Ford17

Anyone else double-thinking this, and wondering what sort of fallout might stem from Guam into Australia?

NSW will be in a lot of trouble.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by cs123

NSW will be in a lot of trouble.

Not as much as Qld...

[MITCHAY]

I'd like to think it will fizzle out like every other time before but who the hell knows with these two children in charge.

[LG17]

Two leaders who have both escaped from the asylum...
What could possibly go wrong?

[GASWAGON]

Wot i dont understand is if you look at the footage of Kim's soldiers marching in order their all holding rifles that appear to be very very old.

Kim may have nukes but i don't think the soldiers are anywhere near as advanced as U.S sophisticated defence systems.

Does Kim really have the balls to nuke Guam......Lets wait and see.???

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Wot i dont understand is if you look at the footage of Kim's soldiers marching in order their all holding rifles that appear to be very very old.

Kim may have nukes but i don't think the soldiers are anywhere near as advanced as U.S sophisticated defence systems.

Does Kim really have the balls to nuke Guam......Lets wait and see.???

The whole regime is based on propaganda and lies, for all we know , they may still be using recycled WW2 era equipment. But it's hard to guess these things, like a bank robber holding a toy gun, it's a bit difficult to choose to find out whether he has a real or a toy one in that circumstance

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

It's pretty much the dream-result for the US.
They have been itching to pound NK into the dirt for 60 years, but the last thing they want is a ground war.
An excuse to sit back and bomb the crap out of them, whilst looking like the "good guys" is exactly what they want.

Most likely result is that the Chinese will sit back and wait for the USA to waste billions in ordinance, then roll in to "restore order" and install a regime that whilst notionally communist remains friendly to them and doesn't **** off the rest of the world.

I can tell you. Pretty much none of the common folk here are interested in any more wars. Yet if the base on Guam gets nuked, something bad will happen.

Hopefully a missile defense system will be in place. Otherwise we will see some MOABS dropping on Kim.

[Fed]

I haven't read anything about the missiles being 'loaded'.
The weather prediction for Guam on Tues/Wed is Easterly winds so if they did load the missiles Aust shouldn't get any fallout.
Interestingly the ground radar at Anderson Air Force Base is broken and awaiting spare parts https://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=gua and coincidentally the satellite radar seems to be also broken. https://www.weather.gov/gu_sat_tab.php
I wonder if the GPS system is working in that area?

[solarite_guy]

If there is a missile defense system each unit will have it's own radar.

Additionally, if there are multiple units, they should be able to tie in together.

They have proven the ability to take an ICBM out of the sky. They might need to do it for real.

[FairmontGS]

I'm hoping that if Kim looses off his 3 or 4 ICBMs then the USA will shoot them down.

Most of the real damage is going to come from the massed NK artillery unless the US has that spotted already with Tomahawks/drones, etc.

Should be a very short war either way. SK and NK populations will be the big losers.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

If there is a missile defense system each unit will have it's own radar.

Additionally, if there are multiple units, they should be able to tie in together.

They have proven the ability to take an ICBM out of the sky. They might need to do it for real.

I thought they had to get to ICBMs in the launch phase, otherwise they are moving to fast. In that case they will have problems due to NK neighbours and the literal fallout.

[Ross 1]

Hopefully it's all bluster between morons at the moment but I will watch it a lot closer if key people in his government start resigning. If the Secretary of Defence or head of national security go due to Trumps decisions he will bring in yes men.

[solarite_guy]

The test the ran was a launch of a defensive missile from California to an ICBM launched from somewhere out in the Pacific. It had some height before it was taken down.

Some of the work the Israeli's have done in this area has been very helpful.

There is no real fall out, per se, if you take the missile out. Of course the is the war head that needs to be dealt with.

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by Ross 1

Hopefully it's all bluster between morons at the moment but I will watch it a lot closer if key people in his government start resigning. If the Secretary of Defence or head of national security go due to Trumps decisions he will bring in yes men.

A lot of those folks are crazy too.

We went from total left wing to total right wing.

I test out dead nut center on the political compass. We need more people in the middle.

[solarite_guy]

Actually I found Guam has the missile defense system. They will take down any N. Korean ICBM.

[Beastie]

It's all good fella's...There's been a Hair Trade Agreement made...

[Craig@AUDI]

Originally Posted by Beastie

It's all good fella's...There's been a Hair Trade Agreement made...

BAHAHAHAHA!!!

That's GOLD!

[roKWiz]

I hope nothing bad happens to N.K, they really know how to do parades.

[nstg8a]

I saw pics of Japan moving missile launchers into strategic positions in Tokyo.

Agre it's the massive amounts of artillery nk has aimed at sk that will,do the damage,many would surely be one of the first targets if the west does start it.

China is the dark horse, they're saying if nk starts it then they won't stop the west hitting back, but if the west starts it then it's gonna get real messy real fast.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

I can tell you. Pretty much none of the common folk here are interested in any more wars.

Who said they were?
Besides, when was the last time (or indeed ever) that a war was instigated by common folk.
As I said, there's no way the USA wants to send ground troops in, but an excuse to bomb the crap out of them would go down a treat.
Hitting Guam, whether its a nuke or a conventional warhead, won't really effect the USA, but will get the good ole boys good and fired up.
The US military is BIG Business, and they need enemies to stomp.

But lets also not forget that it took Reagan to free the hostages, and he also ended the cold-war, precisely because the soviets feared he was senile enough to be manipulated by his military advisers.
Having Kim Sik Fuk believe that Trump is crazy enough to attack him could be just what we need.

[Franco Cozzo]

This is a good article from a South Korean:

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20170808000723

First, let’s get over this idea of nuclear disarmament. For the last decade, North Korea has spent about one-third of its entire national income every year on weapons development. That’s not one-third of its military budget, not one-third of its government budget, that’s a third of all the money they have. Let that sink in for a moment.

I don’t know if you are familiar with poker, Mr. President, but that’s what we call “all-in.” North Korea has effectively bet everything on weapons development, believing that better weapons will secure a better future.

If you were in their shoes, would you just give up the weapons you invested everything in? Probably not. These are the weapons you researched by bankrupting your country and putting your people through poverty and starvation. They are all you have left.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Agre it's the massive amounts of artillery nk has aimed at sk that will,do the damage,many would surely be one of the first targets if the west does start it.

South Korea and the USA have been preparing for this war for 50 years, and their technological advantage over NK is extreme. If this thing does kick off, it will be horrific for the South, but NK will be obliterated.

Originally Posted by nstg8a

China is the dark horse, they're saying if nk starts it then they won't stop the west hitting back, but if the west starts it then it's gonna get real messy real fast.

Darker than you think.
China has a huge economy build on exports, including to Japan and South Korea, not to mention the USA and rest of the world. And most of it travels by sea.
Furthermore, unlike the US and her allies, China has the manpower to steamroll NK, and wouldn't bat an eyelid at millions of casualties.

I still reckon that will be the ultimate outcome of any conflict, a Chinese intervention and installation of a more cooperative regime.

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Who said they were?
Besides, when was the last time (or indeed ever) that a war was instigated by common folk.
As I said, there's no way the USA wants to send ground troops in, but an excuse to bomb the crap out of them would go down a treat.
Hitting Guam, whether its a nuke or a conventional warhead, won't really effect the USA, but will get the good ole boys good and fired up.
The US military is BIG Business, and they need enemies to stomp.

But lets also not forget that it took Reagan to free the hostages, and he also ended the cold-war, precisely because the soviets feared he was senile enough to be manipulated by his military advisers.
Having Kim Sik Fuk believe that Trump is crazy enough to attack him could be just what we need.

The politicos are already talking crap. Using phrases like "military options are locked and loaded".

If the USA makes a preemptive strike, a lot of politicos will lose their jobs next election.

If the North strike first we have B1, B2 and B52 bombers stationed at Guam that would need to be scrambled prior to any incoming. Also a Thaad missle defense system. I am sure they are all ready have their payloads MOABS and assorted bunker busters. Some F22s and F16s as well.

Really hope cooler heads prevail.

[Franco Cozzo]

Guam Govco released official guidelines of what to do in nuclear strike:

http://ghs.guam.gov/sites/default/fi...e%20Threat.pdf

[solarite_guy]

For some reason it is blocked for me.

Basically, bend over, kiss your *** goodbye and have a beer.

Hopefully the Thaad missile defense system will stop the incoming.

[Franco Cozzo]

I think given current situation these are worth a read into:

1983 - Able Archer incident:



1983 - USSR nuclear missile early warning system falsely identifying 5x ICBMs launched at the USSR:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24280831

1995 - Norweigan Rocket Incident - rocket studying aurora borealis flies on same trajectory and falsely identified as Trident II nuclear missile launch:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...12-8?r=US&IR=T

[Mainforcepatrol]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Wot i dont understand is if you look at the footage of Kim's soldiers marching in order their all holding rifles that appear to be very very old.

Kim may have nukes but i don't think the soldiers are anywhere near as advanced as U.S sophisticated defence systems.

Does Kim really have the balls to nuke Guam......Lets wait and see.???

The U.S. were a more sophisticated power in Vietnam too but were eventually driven out by a low tech enemy through guerrilla warfare.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Mainforcepatrol

The U.S. were a more sophisticated power in Vietnam too but were eventually driven out by a low tech enemy through guerrilla warfare.

If there is a war over there it will be more like WW2, where they didn't have one hand tied behind their back - and they wont care what some cry-baby millennial or whining baby boomer posts on social media or at CNN either.