Vfacts October

[anobserver]

More imports headed our way...

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...utes-suv-81450

[Rob 351]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I don't think people realise where things are made, I wonder how many bought that nasty little MG SUV thinking of the MH sports cars of yesteryear..

lots of car companys have plants there along with those famous green tractors - the cap wearing rednecks would be horrified

and there are Fords made in china

I think anyone who owns one of those famous green tractors your talking about of which I own quite a few, knows that their are only two types you buy, the one one’s built in the the Waterloo factory in Iowa USA, and the 6000 series built in the Mannheim factory in Germany.
Next in line would be the Mexican built versions followed by the much cheaper Indian built small tractors..
Didn’t even know they made a Chinese version but like anything else, you only get what you pay for.....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I bought a Chinese 2 seater buggy for the kids - does that count?

PS the motor is stuffed after a few hard runs

No that doesn't count. Cheap throw away stuff is their mo.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

lots of car companys have plants there along with those famous green tractors - the cap wearing rednecks would be horrified

Which Series is Chinese Built..??

I know the 5 series is Indian.
Many years ago they Sold badge engineered Zetor Tractors from Czechoslovakia

My Green Mower has a Japanese Built Briggs & Stratton Motor..!

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Which Series is Chinese Built..??

I know the 5 series is Indian.
Many years ago they Sold badge engineered Zetor Tractors from Czechoslovakia

My Green Mower has a Japanese Built Briggs & Stratton Motor..!

cant recall but when I was looking for a 20-30HP compact tractor I was advised these are not real John deeres

https://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-...s-manufactured

[Polyal]

Well its seems the Endura is gone, just develop the Explorer for a wider market you nuffties!

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...e-axed-127174/

or...do something more with the Everest!

[Vesper Martini]

My thoughts.. would be for the Australian designers to develop an Everest designed for the tramac
Road going 20" wheels and lower profile tyres
RWD only, with more carlike less robust suspension
cosmetic changes like bumpers and side skirt or built in sidestep
like in the link

https://www.facebook.com/wilworks.ph...0831139783430/

this should be less costly to build

I believe people want something that can tow with 7 seats - (even if they never use them) - they don't necessarily need a robust 4WD.

look at the explorer - but the explorer is too big

[DFB FGXR6]

What's happening with Chinese made vehicles is no different to when Korean and Japanese cars boomed in the respective era's.

They are offering a 'good enough' product for a cheaper price than the established competition. The average consumer has no clue to where a car is made, generally all they see is the price.

It's somehow within the Australian psyche to pay the least amount of money for any given product, and we are ALL guilty of this to a certain extent.

The 'Ken and Joy's' of Australia see a nice looking car with lots of features at a price too good to refuse. How many people bought a Hyundai and Kia under similar circumstances?

Personally, I think there are more serious political issues involved with what the Chinese brands are now attempting compared to the Korean companies. I would sooner by a Japanese brand with higher engineering standards and ethics, even if said brand doesn't actually make their vehicles in Japan.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This is disgusting. The way the chinese are bullying us by putting tariffs and bans on our products, we should be avoiding their junk at all costs.

What happened to national pride?

We can overcome this. Simply DO NOT buy Chinese junk, while there is a better choice. It ain't rocket science.

[jpd80]

We export far more to China than we import, so in a bitch fight our GDP can get hit really hard.
I think its important that we all realise just who we're dealing with and to what lengths they will
go to in order to exact revenge for Scott Morrison's call for an international inquiry into covid.
China was the reason that Australia avoided most of the GFC fallout, making an enemy of them
now may not have been the smartest move, that bears thinking about.

When it comes to vehicle choices, how can you go past the Koreans for affordable, low cost,
entry priced vehicles that have a level of quality not found in Chinese products.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

We export far more to China than we import, so in a bitch fight our GDP can get hit really hard.
I think its important that we all realise just who we're dealing with and to what lengths they will
go to in order to exact revenge for Scott Morrison's call for an international inquiry into covid.
China was the reason that Australia avoided most of the GFC fallout, making an enemy of them
now may not have been the smartest move, that bears thinking about.

When it comes to vehicle choices, how can you go past the Koreans for affordable, low cost,
entry priced vehicles that have a level of quality not found in Chinese products.

I wonder why most Australians don't know we easily export more to China than they sell to us. I guess boats of iron ore and coal and gas don't get noticed in suburbs like big box retail stores full of "Made In China" goods.
And while no-one will admit it a China Built Ford product isn't the lowest rated build quality in the Ford empire.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Well its seems the Endura is gone, just develop the Explorer for a wider market you nuffties!

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...e-axed-127174/

or...do something more with the Everest!

The 7 seater Escape that is coming in a year or 2, will most likely be the replacement for Endura.

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

My thoughts.. would be for the Australian designers to develop an Everest designed for the tramac
Road going 20" wheels and lower profile tyres
RWD only, with more carlike less robust suspension
cosmetic changes like bumpers and side skirt or built in sidestep
like in the link

https://www.facebook.com/wilworks.ph...0831139783430/

this should be less costly to build

I believe people want something that can tow with 7 seats - (even if they never use them) - they don't necessarily need a robust 4WD.

look at the explorer - but the explorer is too big

They already have a 5 seater and a RWD Everest. But I get what you are saying. I think there is also more room at the top for an Everest Platinum model like the Expedition luxury models they have in the US. Maybe even look at giving it a longer wheelbase. Probably not enough of a market for it though.

But they definitely want to expand the Everests appeal. A lot of that will come down to the more US styling of the new model. From what the journos are saying it will look more like Explorer/Expedition.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They should have got the hybrid here from the start. Now with the PHEV being recalled in europe, due to a supplier electrical component causing a few to catch fire during charging, we won't even see the PHEV for at least 12 months.

Are they not looking at RAV4 Hybrid sales hard enough? Cause they damn well should be. It's not an anomaly, they are selling heaps of them, and have been for months on end.

As a potential buyer, the Toyota hybrid is proven, works, 20 years of development, no fire issues that I know of, crazy taxi mileage numbers too (just like the old Falcon... happy sigh), it is not an expensive extra (though their starting prices are!). Further, same hybrid in all their passenger/SUVs so it's a no-brainer choice. SUVs inbound with hybrid options will include Yaris Cross, Corolla Cross, Kluger, then there's CH-R and RAV4. That's gotta be close to a checkmate for Toyota in current market.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

As a potential buyer, the Toyota hybrid is proven, works, 20 years of development, no fire issues that I know of, crazy taxi mileage numbers too (just like the old Falcon... happy sigh), it is not an expensive extra (though their starting prices are!). Further, same hybrid in all their passenger/SUVs so it's a no-brainer choice. SUVs inbound with hybrid options will include Yaris Cross, Corolla Cross, Kluger, then there's CH-R and RAV4. That's gotta be close to a checkmate for Toyota in current market.

The hybrid being such a cheap option (something like 2k) means it was always going to be such an attractive selection. No other manufacturer has come close to getting a hybrid option so cheap.

[Sprintey]

What are we looking at with other brand's hybrid extra pricing?

PHEV about 8 or 9K extra?

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I don't think people realise where things are made, I wonder how many bought that nasty little MG SUV thinking of the MH sports cars of yesteryear..

lots of car companys have plants there along with those famous green tractors - the cap wearing rednecks would be horrified

and there are Fords made in china

The story of how China aquired MG itself is a shocker, the drunken executives signing away the company!

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

We export far more to China than we import, so in a bitch fight our GDP can get hit really hard.
I think its important that we all realise just who we're dealing with and to what lengths they will
go to in order to exact revenge for Scott Morrison's call for an international inquiry into covid.
China was the reason that Australia avoided most of the GFC fallout, making an enemy of them
now may not have been the smartest move, that bears thinking about.

When it comes to vehicle choices, how can you go past the Koreans for affordable, low cost,
entry priced vehicles that have a level of quality not found in Chinese products.

I will say one nice thing about a Chinese manufacturer: if you are a nerd who likes building models, this company's injection molded kits are quite simply the best there are:

https://www.bnamodelworld.com/model-...deluxe-edition

They have achieved something quite remarkable - they have out-done the Japanese companies that traditionally dominate the detail/quality of this field. We should not underestimate China, and will have to be at the top of our quality game if we wish to compete with manufactures.