2021 Ford Mustang Mach E

**DFB FGXR6** · 16-12-2020, 08:09 PM

Media outlets are now releasing reviews of the Mach E.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4n5iPqxpaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT47B3zCXpI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9flQXK2I2M

First of all, I don't agree with using the Mustang name for this vehicle, Futura or Galaxy would have been better in my opinion. Nor am I turned on by electric cars.

Getting past the name and drive train, I am starting to warm to the design. The rear end is a but odd but the curvy side profile and aggressive front end really appeal.

I doubt this will ever make it to Australia, but the existence of the Mach E will hopefully allow Ford to keep the real Mustang in it's range for a while to come.

Wretched · 17-12-2020, 12:54 PM

When they announced years back that a Mach E was coming, like many others I threw a tantrum, unlike many others I grew out of that and can acknowledged that the car looks to be a decent product. I don't care too much that they used the Mustang name, it isn't a model as much as it is a brand. Will be interesting to see where they go with it in the future.

In any case, back to the Mach E, well done Ford. Looks to be a good car. With the changes from COVID - I'd certainly consider this if it came to AU as our next family car.

jaydee · 17-12-2020, 01:46 PM

Looks like a Focus with Mustang tail lights.

Bossxr8 · 17-12-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I doubt this will ever make it to Australia, but the existence of the Mach E will hopefully allow Ford to keep the real Mustang in it's range for a while to come.

It will make it here eventually. It's available in RHD. It's just that our infrastructure is nowhere near good enough to support EV's, and stocks are better off going to countries that are more EV friendly, and where they are in high demand. They are sold out a year or 2 in advance atm.

Once supply catches up with demand in a few years then it might eventually come here.

**DFB FGXR6** · 12-01-2021, 09:00 PM

I see the Mach E has been awarded best Utility in The North American Car, Utility and Truck of the Year.

F-150 was truck of the year.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/01/11/...#slide-2288514

PooDog · 15-01-2021, 08:17 AM

Heres my award ........

Citroënbender · 15-01-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

…I don't care too much that they used the Mustang name, it isn't a model as much as it is a brand. Will be interesting to see where they go with it in the future.

Agreed; it fits the two-syllable model of many imported words dear to the Asian argot - I expect it to sell vigorously and be blatantly copied in China. (If only GM could have called the Camaro “Tran-Am” instead, they’d probably do well with a sub-marque!)

**Fordman1** · 15-01-2021, 01:15 PM

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Heres my award ........

Yep the PooDog award means a lot

PooDog · 15-01-2021, 04:32 PM

About as much as the effort I put into the sculpture awarded

Wretched · 22-01-2021, 02:18 PM

Jonny Smith review. Quite a good insight as per his usual reviews.

**DFB FGXR6** · 22-01-2021, 06:10 PM

The Smoking Tire reviews -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mUZrUZXYzU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rwcpU00S8w

**DJR-351** · 22-01-2021, 07:57 PM

One of my crew fly's Aerobatics and I found the Mach E advertised on the first page of one of his magazines, there is another add further in the mag but I didn't get a scan of that one...

**kypez** · 22-01-2021, 10:34 PM

If it can tow, I'd be all over one. Even if it can't. Plenty of charging on the East Coast to own one of these. And given we are now getting made in china Teslas, I wont be buying another one of those.

This would be much better than the Y.

**Polyal** · 25-01-2021, 09:38 AM

I too was getting the pitch fork ready, I mean really using mustang and mach was a bit much for me.

If this model extends the possibility for ICE Mustangs in the future then fine, I mean look at Porsche and the way its had to either create models or change to survive.

Franco Cozzo · 25-01-2021, 11:53 AM

Using the Mustang as a 'brand' to slap on anything? I don't agree with that being slapped on an SUV, it cheapens the name Mustang.

Anyway I'm not their customer so who cares what I think

**kypez** · 25-01-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Using the Mustang as a 'brand' to slap on anything? I don't agree with that being slapped on an SUV, it cheapens the name Mustang.

Anyway I'm not their customer so who cares what I think

Its been slapped on a few cars that probably shouldn't have had the badge in the past.

I like the idea. Its smart from a Marketing side of things. I'd buy one to go with a Regular GT. Whilst it might not bring the "purists", it will bring in new consumers who like the Mustang name but want an EV. They don't have the baggage of some previous buyers. And its plenty quick enough to warrant the name from that perspective.

Franco Cozzo · 25-01-2021, 03:42 PM

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Its been slapped on a few cars that probably shouldn't have had the badge in the past.

I like the idea. Its smart from a Marketing side of things. I'd buy one to go with a Regular GT. Whilst it might not bring the "purists", it will bring in new consumers who like the Mustang name but want an EV. They don't have the baggage of some previous buyers. And its plenty quick enough to warrant the name from that perspective.

I'm all for electric Mustang.

It's just gotta be a Mustang, not an SUV with the Mustang badge slapped on it.

Why not give it it's own name? Is it on the same platform?

There's been some crappy Mustangs, but they've all been Mustangs, this one isn't.

It's like the ZB 'Commodore'.

Imagine if they ran VF Commodore and ZB Commodore concurrently, it's two different cars with the same badge and the ZB Commodore shares nothing with the VF Commodore.

Or imagine a XR6T Falcon but a Turbo Territory is called XR6T Falcon S

**kypez** · 25-01-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm all for electric Mustang.

It's just gotta be a Mustang, not an SUV with the Mustang badge slapped on it.

Why not give it it's own name? Is it on the same platform?

There's been some crappy Mustangs, but they've all been Mustangs, this one isn't.

It's like the ZB 'Commodore'.

Imagine if they ran VF Commodore and ZB Commodore concurrently, it's two different cars with the same badge and the ZB Commodore shares nothing with the VF Commodore.

Or imagine a XR6T Falcon but a Turbo Territory is called XR6T Falcon S

The last point you made is interesting. If the Terri had been called a Falcon X or something such. I think it would've done well. I would've had not issues with a Falcon X XR6T instead of Terri Turbo.

XR used to be used on Falcons but we got the XR2 Capri, XR5T (Focus/Mondeo), XR4 (Fiesta).

I don't think these Mustangs share similar platforms at all as the focus for the Mach E was to do an EV platform vs ICE platform.

Like I said, I can understand why people would be drawn to the Mustang nameplate and understand why Ford would use it. I have no issues owning a Mustang Mach E to match my Mach 1 once they're available. I'd suggest more of the younger crowd will be fine with the move.

Franco Cozzo · 25-01-2021, 04:09 PM

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The last point you made is interesting. If the Terri had been called a Falcon X or something such. I think it would've done well. I would've had not issues with a Falcon X XR6T instead of Terri Turbo.

XR used to be used on Falcons but we got the XR2 Capri, XR5T (Focus/Mondeo), XR4 (Fiesta).

I don't think these Mustangs share similar platforms at all as the focus for the Mach E was to do an EV platform vs ICE platform.

Like I said, I can understand why people would be drawn to the Mustang nameplate and understand why Ford would use it. I have no issues owning a Mustang Mach E to match my Mach 1 once they're available. I'd suggest more of the younger crowd will be fine with the move.

Yes the XR badges were used locally on other platforms, I'm fine with that, it signifies a sports variation to a local market.

But it was a Fiesta XR4/Focus XR5 - not Falcon XR4, Falcon XR5 etc

I note that the grandson of Henry Ford was against the idea of calling it a Mustang up until the point he got to drive it.

**kypez** · 25-01-2021, 04:20 PM

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Yes the XR badges were used locally on other platforms, I'm fine with that, it signifies a sports variation to a local market.

But it was a Fiesta XR4/Focus XR5 - not Falcon XR4, Falcon XR5 etc

I note that the grandson of Henry Ford was against the idea of calling it a Mustang up until the point he got to drive it.

To make EVs acceptable, Tesla had to create a car with more range, more power and great handling to be even looked at.

Mustang signifies aspiration and excitement. It makes perfect sense to leverage the nameplate to entice people to check it out. There has been so much talk about the car, good and bad, because of the name. It's great advertising for Ford.

Even the older mob who say, "it's not a real Mustang" might be curious to have a go just to prove it wrong. And they might, as I did, realise what a pleasure EVs are to drive and might end up with one.

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**DFB FGXR6** · 25-01-2021, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why not give it it's own name? Is it on the same platform?

As Kypez mentioned, Mach E is on a dedicated EV platform.

Like I said in the opening post, this vehicle would have been perfect for the Futura or Galaxy nameplates. Or even just Ford Mach E.

Like the styling, the Mustang name on this car is growing on me. With the reviews commenting favorably of the dynamics, perhaps it being branded as a Mustang is justified?

I also believe eliminating the Ford branding might draw in more customers who perhaps see the Ford brand as undesirable.

CyberWasp · 25-01-2021, 07:36 PM

I can see a lot of people owning both Mustangs.

What I am not sure about, is what the word performance translates to in the EV World.
Does it mean bigger electric motors, larger batteries, longer range ect.
In ICE vehicles we have Cylinders, Turbos ect to differentiate. Each having different characteristics.
How will we be comparing the differences between performance EV's?

MITCHAY · 25-01-2021, 08:49 PM

I think the first pic with a proper grill looks better, don't like the others. I don't agree with putting a Mustang badge on it. It looks nothing like one except for the badge and some passing resemblance in the rear.

**98TLS** · 25-01-2021, 10:31 PM

Mustang my ****,the real kicker is i would hazard a guess that the old school Stang did less to harm the enviroment than this thing,despite popular belief lecky does not grow on trees

**kypez** · 25-01-2021, 10:35 PM

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doh Mustang my ****,the real kicker is i would hazard a guess that the old school Stang did less to harm the enviroment than this thing,despite popular belief lecky does not grow on trees

Proven not to be the case several times. Time to move on from this obsolete narrative.

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sr71 · 25-01-2021, 10:38 PM

I know an elderly lady who just purchased an MG3. She mentioned how she liked MGB’s, back in the day. And had no idea she’d just purchased a Chinese owned/made car.
There’s a sale for MG, due to name association. It’ll work for Ford too, with the Mustang E SUV. Plenty of guys who’d love a Mustang Fastback, but will get the Mach E as the family car.

JasonACT · 25-01-2021, 11:02 PM

I don't know, the (older) guys with money may know better (it's not a Mustang) and the (younger) guys who don't care, can't afFord it anyway. Did Tesla have to make an SUV (along with everything else) to start selling their EV's? Doesn't appear so, though their specs seem to be better than the large/heavy GT talked about here, which to me would be the only one to buy. Ultimately though, it's not something I'm looking for.

Ben73 · 26-01-2021, 07:31 AM

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I don't know, the (older) guys with money may know better (it's not a Mustang) and the (younger) guys who don't care, can't afFord it anyway. Did Tesla have to make an SUV (along with everything else) to start selling their EV's? Doesn't appear so, though their specs seem to be better than the large/heavy GT talked about here, which to me would be the only one to buy. Ultimately though, it's not something I'm looking for.

Can’t afford it? It starts at 42k usd. Not that expensive really. A lot cheaper than I expected. It will probably do ok in sales.

Bossxr8 · 26-01-2021, 10:10 AM

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Can’t afford it? It starts at 42k usd. Not that expensive really. A lot cheaper than I expected. It will probably do ok in sales.

It sold out it’s first year allocation within a day or so. It’s sold out long, long in advance. Sales are not an issue at all. It’s a success before it’s even made it to customers.

Franco Cozzo · 26-01-2021, 10:59 AM

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Can’t afford it? It starts at 42k usd. Not that expensive really. A lot cheaper than I expected. It will probably do ok in sales.

$42K USD probably translates to $85K-$95K AUD by the time you buy it here plus LCT.

What's a Tesla model 3 worth in Australia? That was supposed to be $35K USD