Travel by road, Adelaide to Brisbane, without driving through a red zone?

prydey · 25-10-2021, 02:44 PM

Hi guys

I was planning a trip to Brisbane this end of year (we travel every year apart from the last 2 due to covid) but the recent announcement by Anastasia palace chook has sort of dented our plans. We had planned to cross the border on the 13th December but now as it stands it looks like the borders aren't opening to road visitors until 17th.

Obviously I could go via Birdsville but was hoping for more time efficient options. I have been via broken hill before but this route comes back in around Gilgandra which I think is still a red zone?? I haven't studied a road map yet to see if such a route exists.

I was going for 3 weeks so it's only the first week I'll have to abort at this stage.

Have I understood the travel restrictions correctly? Quarantine is not an option.

Any advice from those well travelled appreciated.

Vesper Martini · 25-10-2021, 03:08 PM

I don't really know the area but to avoid NSW and travel by main roads Birdsville looks like your only option 34 hrs..

to shortcut google maps says you can go though a place called Lindon SA but only save 3 hrs

prydey · 25-10-2021, 03:19 PM

Yeah, I didn't think there was any options but thought I'd throw it out there... Guess I could hope that even if palace chook doesn't bring forward the border open date, that more rural areas in nsw will be taken off the hotspot list.

Citroënbender · 25-10-2021, 03:48 PM

I can’t see either happening. It’s too politicized and the milestones/dates set by Queensland look like a pragmatic scheme to hold their ground so long as possible.

Can you not just leave a bit later? Lindon doesn’t look like a good plan in sumner heat…

prydey · 25-10-2021, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I can’t see either happening. It’s too politicized and the milestones/dates set by Queensland look like a pragmatic scheme to hold their ground so long as possible.

Can you not just leave a bit later? Lindon doesn’t look like a good plan in sumner heat…

Agree on the first and last points.

I was going for 3 weeks, so will still be going for 2 weeks. The first week is the issue and I have accommodation booked in Caloundra for that week. The resort are very understanding though and letting me keep the booking until the last minute to see what unfolds.

Not sure where the red zones are in nsw but I could go north from cobar to bourke then back across to moree then up to goondi... No idea what the roads are like or if it clears the hotspot areas.

Vesper Martini · 25-10-2021, 04:26 PM

Pretty isolated areas, Personally I would still cut through Broken Hill and maybe enter QLD a bit Further out, just don't stop in NSW. surely that would be ok.

prydey · 25-10-2021, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Pretty isolated areas, Personally I would still cut through Broken Hill and maybe enter QLD a bit Further out, just don't stop in NSW. surely that would be ok.

Can only go where the roads are and no unsealed roads for me.

Looks like Wilcannia and cobar are still red zones, otherwise the above route would work. Have to keep an eye on their status.

Yes, it's hot dry country and boring as bat poo...

b0son · 25-10-2021, 04:38 PM

Is there any likelihood of the 17th being brought forward? NSW hit 80% faster than expected... is that date contingent on vaccination level?

prydey · 25-10-2021, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Is there any likelihood of the 17th being brought forward? NSW hit 80% faster than expected... is that date contingent on vaccination level?

I think so but there isn't the urgency like there was in nsw. No lockdown in qld.

Plus all the qlders I know would be happy for the border to stay closed permanently.

BENT_8 · 25-10-2021, 05:29 PM

What about Broken Hill Tibooburra, Noccundra, Cunnamulla, St George, Toowoomba, 25hrs Adelaide to Brisbane.

prydey · 25-10-2021, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

What about Broken Hill Tibooburra, Noccundra, Cunnamulla, St George, Toowoomba, 25hrs Adelaide to Brisbane.

Have you travelled this way? I'll look it up.

The other issue is, overnight accommodation could be questionable and it's not ideal to be driving through the night out there either. Driving the hay Plains etc at night is one thing but out there is another step up I believe. Talking about wildlife.

25hrs is not that much longer though. Normally it's around 20-22hrs of driving.

Citroënbender · 25-10-2021, 06:15 PM

If you can legally (without speeding) pass through NSW in ~2H then you should be alright. Is this possible, though?

https://www.qld.gov.au/border-pass/application

Credit to the form’s composer, it doesn’t start with the personal details but works as a questionnaire of eligibility to enter.

BENT_8 · 25-10-2021, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Have you travelled this way? I'll look it up.

The other issue is, overnight accommodation could be questionable and it's not ideal to be driving through the night out there either. Driving the hay Plains etc at night is one thing but out there is another step up I believe. Talking about wildlife.

25hrs is not that much longer though. Normally it's around 20-22hrs of driving.

Cant say i have Rob but like you there's probably plenty doing it for the same reasons.
You could always take the Jayco for guaranteed accommodation then you can stop whenever you want to.
Alternatively, from Woodcroft to Broken hill via Northern expressway is a touch over 6hrs, you could do that in a day and more chance of accommodation there than anywhere else out that way, from there its 19hrs so you could push through as the last few hours are probably better from a wildlife perspective or stop at St George.

prydey · 25-10-2021, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Cant say i have Rob but like you there's probably plenty doing it for the same reasons.
You could always take the Jayco for guaranteed accommodation then you can stop whenever you want to.
Alternatively, from Woodcroft to Broken hill via Northern expressway is a touch over 6hrs, you could do that in a day and more chance of accommodation there than anywhere else out that way, from there its 19hrs so you could push through as the last few hours are probably better from a wildlife perspective or stop at St George.

We would normally travel through to around Parkes, sometimes Dubbo, if stopping overnight. Otherwise I drive straight through.

If the roads are sealed and there is available fuel, it's the best option so far though.

prydey · 25-10-2021, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

If you can legally (without speeding) pass through NSW in ~2H then you should be alright. Is this possible, though?

https://www.qld.gov.au/border-pass/application

Credit to the form’s composer, it doesn’t start with the personal details but works as a questionnaire of eligibility to enter.

Need more than 2hrs...

b0son · 26-10-2021, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

If you can legally (without speeding) pass through NSW in ~2H then you should be alright. Is this possible, though?

Is all of NSW a hotspot, or just specific areas? The transit time applies to travelling through a hotspot.

prydey · 26-10-2021, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Is all of NSW a hotspot, or just specific areas? The transit time applies to travelling through a hotspot.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/condit...-to-queensland

If you scroll down to the map of australia, you'll see that apart from a reasonable 'border zone' that all of NSW is red.

Broken Hill is in the blue zone, but to get back to the 'main' travel corridor, its more than 2hrs worth of red in the way unfortunately.

Hoping that will change as the weeks progress. Not expecting QLD to open up early so hoping more of NSW gets taken off the red zone.

jpblue1000 · 26-10-2021, 01:38 AM

Fly over NSW?

Citroënbender · 26-10-2021, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Is all of NSW a hotspot, or just specific areas? The transit time applies to travelling through a hotspot.

All of NSW is a hot spot in Queensland’s purview. The “blue zone” relates to NSW people ordinarily resident in those areas, and Queenslanders entering for approved reasons.

prydey · 26-10-2021, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Fly over NSW?

Too expensive.

**buggerlugs** · 26-10-2021, 07:53 AM

Your going to notice the difference big time if you haven't been to Caloundra for a couple of years. We have a few extra southerners. Quite a few............

Vesper Martini · 26-10-2021, 08:44 AM

Adelaide, Broken Hill, Wanaring, ST George, Brisbane should take 24 hrs.

and it turns off before Wilcannia if that's a Red zone.

Vesper Martini · 26-10-2021, 08:48 AM

actually you should need to go through St George as upper NSW looks to be all Blue

prydey · 26-10-2021, 09:03 AM

Not keen on travelling dirt/unsealed roads, so looking at some road atlas maps, much of north west NSW is unsealed when away from the main routes. The route Bent8 posted earlier has a lot of unsealed road sections.

The resource I was using was 2018 but I doubt any road improvements have been done since then out that way.

Appreciate the feedback though. If anyone has more updated maps that show the roads as sealed that would be good.

naddis01 · 26-10-2021, 09:35 AM

Broken Hill to Tibooburra has recently been sealed all the way.

Vesper Martini · 26-10-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Not keen on travelling dirt/unsealed roads, so looking at some road atlas maps, much of north west NSW is unsealed when away from the main routes. The route Bent8 posted earlier has a lot of unsealed road sections.

The resource I was using was 2018 but I doubt any road improvements have been done since then out that way.

Appreciate the feedback though. If anyone has more updated maps that show the roads as sealed that would be good.

I believe the route is sealed, though I imagine its like a runway strip down a wide dirt track

ford71V8 · 26-10-2021, 10:02 AM

My, probably unhelpful, 2c is we were in QLD and wanted to return back to SA via NSW (this was close to the time SA had the last lockdown)
I studied the maps and we were in a vehicle that wasn't going to like going the Birdsville route.
I couldn't see a way through so we headed back to NT and then down. (Lockdown struck as we went thru Alice.)

prydey · 26-10-2021, 10:08 AM

Actually looking again at the border restrictions I'm not sure it will make any difference even if I do avoid any red zones. I may still not be allowed in by road.

Press conference yesterday apparently she was pretty adamant the borders were unlikely to open prior to the 17th December for those travelling by road.

Realistically that's the scenario. The resort contacted me this morning saying in light of the most recent press conference I should cancel my booking.

I guess they only thing I have to establish is if I still have to avoid the red zones after the 17th or if it's open slather...

Thanks again folks.

Citroënbender · 26-10-2021, 10:15 AM

I think that’s the most economical decision.

Also, looking at the ra-ra coming from some corners of government in Queensland suggesting under-vaccinated areas might experience snap lockdowns. If you were needing to travel through such an area to return, might it compromise your ability to re-enter SA? I note this particularly as SA has so far not provided a “roadmap” as proffered by most other states and territories.

Franco Cozzo · 26-10-2021, 12:03 PM

It's an absolute nightmare travelling interstate recently - it's all well and good being let in but it's what your own state decides to do on a whim which is the problem.

WA and VIC locking their own citizens out of their own states at the whim of an outbreak interstate has been a big problem.

All this BS about travelling locally, would love to but I'm not sure my manager would be really keen on me being stuck at our Sydney branch for three months, the Sydney lads would be thankful though