Covid 19 -

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by arm79

Seems the mods have taken your point on board and provided Billy with a forced holiday.

Hopefully, 3 Strikes & you're Out..

[arm79]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Hopefully, 3 Strikes & you're Out..

Naaahhh... I like Billy.

I don't know him personally and my experience is limited to me become active on here again, but he seems like a nice bloke that likes to be helpful. If a little passionate and easily wound up.

I did see the post that I think that set him off and it was an a$$hole post. Well intentioned or not, it was an a$$hole post.

There are times and places to be making points and having private discussions like that and on a public forum in the way it was done, it was definitely not the time or place.

So yeah, I can understand the ban he copped given the fallout. But happy to see it wasn't permanent given the circumstances. But I imagine it won't be long before it becomes permanent.

But thinking back to the older days of FF I don't think he would have lasted as long. I can see Laminge now "pi$$ off, your done. Bye".

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 9,995 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0447 from 1.0433) while the actual line drops slightly below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 8,502 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0072 (from 1.0183) while the actual line falls below the predictive trend.



Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 16th 2022.

25,717 new cases for Australia and 58 deaths so the CMR is 0.159%.

NZ recorded 1,181 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.225%.

The UK recorded 53,755 cases and 199 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.868%.

130,179 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,933 deaths sees CMR at 1.192%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 417M;
Europe passes 147M cases;
Japan passes 4M cases;

Bhutan (381);
New Zealand (1,181);
Hong Kong (4,285);
Estonia (8,439);
Malaysia (27,831) – the previous high (24,599) on 26/8/21;
Vietnam (34,737);
Indonesia (64,718); and
South Korea (90,430)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Albania and Pakistan drop below.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by arm79

aaahhh... I like Billy.

I don't know him personally and my experience is limited to me become active on here again, , but he seems like a nice bloke that likes to be helpful. If a little passionate and easily wound up.

I did see the post that I think that set him off and it was an a$$hole post. Well intentioned or not, it was an a$$hole post.

There are times and places to be making points and having private discussions like that and on a public forum in the way it was done, it was definitely not the time or place.

So yeah, I can understand the ban he copped given the fallout. But happy to see it wasn't permanent given the circumstances. But I imagine it won't be long before it becomes permanent.

But thinking back to the older days of FF I don't think he would have lasted as long. I can see Laminge now "pi$$ off, your done. Bye".

almost fully tend to agree
yep although he has his moments he's seems a nice enough bloke , although some times he seems to ramble on a bit with explanation posts
the post that triggered him he replied to 3 times so it must of got under his skin , I don't think the poster knew billy's situation but think it wasn't posted in the way it's been taken , tho like you said time and place was wrong
hope Billy doesn't let it eat at him and hope he gets a change to return
even tho some of his posts are different he does liven things up in a interesting way

edit due to phone playing up

[PG2]

Originally Posted by leesa

Cue me ****ing off another mod to the point they inspect every post of mine with a fine-toothed comb, patiently waiting the day I go too far and they can justify the ban-hammer

I can't tell if you are joking, and if you are then OK.

I find this post very disappointing. I feel that I have always been more than fair towards you.

Originally Posted by wodahs

almost fully tend to agree
yep although he has his moments he's seems a nice enough bloke , although some times he seems to ramble on a bit with explanation posts
the post that triggered him he replied to 3 times so it must of got under his skin , I don't think the poster knew billy's situation but think it wasn't posted in the way it's been taken , tho like you said time and place was wrong
hope Billy doesn't let it eat at him and hope he gets a change to return
even tho some of his posts are different he does liven things up in a interesting way

edit due to phone playing up

Originally Posted by arm79

Seems the mods have taken your point on board and provided Billy with a forced holiday.

Originally Posted by hayseed

Hopefully, 3 Strikes & you're Out..

Originally Posted by arm79

Naaahhh... I like Billy.

I don't know him personally and my experience is limited to me become active on here again, but he seems like a nice bloke that likes to be helpful. If a little passionate and easily wound up.

I did see the post that I think that set him off and it was an a$$hole post. Well intentioned or not, it was an a$$hole post.

There are times and places to be making points and having private discussions like that and on a public forum in the way it was done, it was definitely not the time or place.

So yeah, I can understand the ban he copped given the fallout. But happy to see it wasn't permanent given the circumstances. But I imagine it won't be long before it becomes permanent.

But thinking back to the older days of FF I don't think he would have lasted as long. I can see Laminge now "pi$$ off, your done. Bye".

Guys and Gals

Unless Russ and/or Gaso think otherwise, I will leave these posts up as I am sure that they well intentioned.

I can completely appreciate that none of you see behind the scenes of AFF, however, you don't see the PMs or the emails that we receive about members and some of their posts. You may be thinking, "Well, why can't we see what goes on then?" All I will say is that it is private and private for a variety reasons including preventing embarrassment to members.

Russ, Gaso and myself have spent plenty of time with Billy (slowsnake) trying to coach him on how to conduct himself. I would say in the three years that I have been a moderator on AFF he would be the member that I have spent the most time on trying to help him.

Billy has not been banned for one particular reason, it is the result of a culmination of instances and how he has reacted towards Russ, Gaso and myself when he has been spoken to.

Us mods take banning someone very seriously and utilise all avenues to avoid this type of action but when all avenues have been exhausted and the behaviour continues, we are left with no choice.



I hope that helps, now let's back to discussing COVID (I thought I would never say that - hell has certainly frozen over). If you have anything further to add, PM the appropriate person(s) - any further posts that are off-topic will be deleted.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

I know this is off topic, and I'm happy for it to be deleted if you think that appropriate, but I just wanted to say that, as a regular member on this forum for coming up to 15 years, I sincerely appreciate the tireless work you mods do to allow me, and other members, to continue to enjoy this fabulous forum on a near daily basis. I'm sure I have no idea just how much effort goes on that I, and most likely a lot of other members will never see to make that happen, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the work you all do.

Thankyou to each and every one of you

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 9,243 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0068 from 1.0447) while the actual line falls further below the predictive trend line.


VIC records 6,935 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9705 (from 1.0072) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.




WA (189) set a new daily record on 17/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 17th 2022.

27,926 new cases for Australia and 71 deaths so the CMR is 0.162%. This follows another adjustment to remove about 32k duplicate case numbers.

NZ recorded 1,541 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.212%.

The UK recorded 51,352 cases and 183 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.866%.

150,677 new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,688deaths sees CMR at 1.194%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 419M;
Europe passes 148M cases;
Asia passes 107M cases;
Germany passes 13M cases;
France passes 22M cases;
Indonesia passes 5M cases;

Bhutan (386);
New Zealand (1,541);
Brunei (2,015);
Hong Kong (6,116);
Vietnam (36,200); and
South Korea (93,127)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while none drop below.

Originally Posted by PG2

I can't tell if you are joking, and if you are then OK.

I find this post very disappointing. I feel that I have always been more than fair towards you.

Yes I was joking, mostly.

From a user's perspective it's sometimes difficult replying to a mod who has engaged in discussions because there isn't always a way to disagree with their opinion of the topic while still respecting the role they have to carry out on the forum. It's a fine line to walk.

With covid I think a lot of us are realising that "every man for himself" is becoming a really common belief and it's contributing to a lot of division in society, in my personal opinion. So when someone says something that ultimately boils down to "I'd like the country to re-open even though I realise it's potentially going to result in the death in your family of immuno-compromised people, but I maintain that re-opening is my wish" then it can be really tricky to respond to that... particularly if that opinion is one spoken by a mod.

Quite a while back I responded to someone else and said that their similar views were selfish as I thought that they were and technically it fit the dictionary definition of the word, and I don't think it went down very well. Is there a difference between calling another user selfish and calling a mod selfish? I think there is, yes. Am I responding to them as a user.. or do they see it as me responding to them as a mod? Perhaps there can be some consequences there if the other person holds a grudge?

If a mod engages in discussion and has a controversial opinion, I'd like to hope the floor is open for users to respond to that opinion and have it kept in context of the discussion as opposed to being interpreted as a sign of disrespect towards their role.
So my comment in reply to 73 4V XB about ****ing off another mod was mostly a joke, yes. I was replying to them in the way a user would reply to another user but if the mod feels it was disrespectful towards their role as mod then I am probably up ****s creek.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by leesa

Yes I was joking, mostly.

From a user's perspective it's sometimes difficult replying to a mod who has engaged in discussions because there isn't always a way to disagree with their opinion of the topic while still respecting the role they have to carry out on the forum. It's a fine line to walk.

With covid I think a lot of us are realising that "every man for himself" is becoming a really common belief and it's contributing to a lot of division in society, in my personal opinion. So when someone says something that ultimately boils down to "I'd like the country to re-open even though I realise it's potentially going to result in the death in your family of immuno-compromised people, but I maintain that re-opening is my wish" then it can be really tricky to respond to that... particularly if that opinion is one spoken by a mod.

Quite a while back I responded to someone else and said that their similar views were selfish as I thought that they were and technically it fit the dictionary definition of the word, and I don't think it went down very well. Is there a difference between calling another user selfish and calling a mod selfish? I think there is, yes. Am I responding to them as a user.. or do they see it as me responding to them as a mod? Perhaps there can be some consequences there if the other person holds a grudge?

If a mod engages in discussion and has a controversial opinion, I'd like to hope the floor is open for users to respond to that opinion and have it kept in context of the discussion as opposed to being interpreted as a sign of disrespect towards their role.
So my comment in reply to 73 4V XB about ****ing off another mod was mostly a joke, yes. I was replying to them in the way a user would reply to another user but if the mod feels it was disrespectful towards their role as mod then I am probably up ****s creek.

I've never seen any of the current mods use their position as a moderator to have their views override a discussion.

On the subject of what we are prepared to accept as a society, their will come a time when we say that we accept people will get sick or die and that is "life".

We make this decision now with a lot of things. We accept that driving in cars results in injury and death, but accept it.

We don't do anything in regards to the Flu. We accept that it will cause injury and death too.

There is a tipping point there... somewhere.

Originally Posted by cs123

On the subject of what we are prepared to accept as a society, their will come a time when we say that we accept people will get sick or die and that is "life".

We make this decision now with a lot of things. We accept that driving in cars results in injury and death, but accept it.

We don't do anything in regards to the Flu. We accept that it will cause injury and death too.

There is a tipping point there... somewhere.

We also don't make this decision with a lot of things though. Cancer, strokes, heart attacks, appendicitis, birth defects, mental illness, cystic fibrosis and countless other conditions that would otherwise result in death or at least a shorter life expectancy.

If we reach that tipping point for covid, as you suggest, then life is going to look a whole lot differently for us all. I'm not sure there's any coming back from telling people that they just need to accept their health conditions are probably going to result in death because the rest of society can't tolerate the inconvenience that would otherwise prevent it.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by leesa

We also don't make this decision with a lot of things though. Cancer, strokes, heart attacks, appendicitis, birth defects, mental illness, cystic fibrosis and countless other conditions that would otherwise result in death or at least a shorter life expectancy.

If we reach that tipping point for covid, as you suggest, then life is going to look a whole lot differently for us all. I'm not sure there's any coming back from telling people that they just need to accept their health conditions are probably going to result in death because the rest of society can't tolerate the inconvenience that would otherwise prevent it.

Let's say 1 person dies from covid per year. Would you expect the same level of restrictions to protect that 1 person?

I assume that your answer is no.

That 1 person might not be happy with you, but you have made a decision that having society function normally is worth that 1 death.

In 2017 there were 1,255 flu deaths in Australia. We seemed to be ok with that

Originally Posted by cs123

In 2017 there were 1,255 flu deaths in Australia. We seemed to be ok with that

Is there a line that you'd be happy to draw for accepted covid deaths each year? If so, what is that number?

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I have a child (9yrs) so unable to be vaccinated that is immune compromised , we visit the Royal Children's every 6 months for treatment in Haematology.

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

You sound like my eldest daughter, her eldest, 14, has asthma, her youngest, 8, has significant coeliac and is immune compromised, she gets so angry (boiling point angry) at parents of healthy kids for so little consideration for others. My daughter is taking immune suppressants as well.

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

The 3 adult immune compromised women in my family have all received both jabs and 2 of them very very early on - they are now looking for the booster that was talked about last week

Originally Posted by russellw

my wife is recovering from major surgery earlier this year and is thus in a high-risk group with a compromised immune system.

Originally Posted by prydey

Both daughters are type 1 diabetic so compromised immune system. Really not worth the risk not getting it.

Sorry guys, if we reach the tipping point then it looks like you and your families are out of luck.





For anyone who is horrified that names were being referenced as potential victims of this new post-tipping-point world... you probably should be horrified.
It's easy to say that we should just accept a portion of people as collateral damage when it all gets too difficult for the rest of society to live with covid suppression, but it's a bit harder when they're real people and not just statistics, isn't it? I hope it's harder, at least.

You shouldn't feel any differently about the plan when the end result affects people anonymously versus when it affects people that you know. If you do feel differently then I'd suggest it's because you know it's wrong, and that you're just prepared to accept it provided it doesn't happen to anyone you're close with.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by leesa

It's easy to say that we should just accept a portion of people as collateral damage when it all gets too difficult for the rest of society to live with covid suppression, but it's a bit harder when they're real people and not just statistics, isn't it?

But isn't that exactly how this country operated prior to covid in regards to communicable diseases and infections like the flu, whooping cough, pneumonia and cancer? And exactly how we will go back to operating once the focus on covid is over? And exactly how we will deal with covid once we start to move on.

The only thing that makes covid stand out is our one eyed constant attention to it. Our lives have been made to revolve around it.

I've probably had the flu 10 times in my lifetime. Or maybe 20 times. Or maybe none. We'll never know because we never test for it.

But image there was a RAT style test for the flu. And we had to take it in the same scope as required for covid. I'm willing to bet we'd be reporting similar case loads, but with an already known quantity of deaths every year.

Have you ever personally considered the devastation a flu outbreak brings in a aged care facility prior to covid? I'm sure you've never viewed them as anything other than statistics we see in a report every 6 to 12 months.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by leesa

Yes I was joking, mostly.

From a user's perspective it's sometimes difficult replying to a mod who has engaged in discussions because there isn't always a way to disagree with their opinion of the topic while still respecting the role they have to carry out on the forum. It's a fine line to walk.

With covid I think a lot of us are realising that "every man for himself" is becoming a really common belief and it's contributing to a lot of division in society, in my personal opinion. So when someone says something that ultimately boils down to "I'd like the country to re-open even though I realise it's potentially going to result in the death in your family of immuno-compromised people, but I maintain that re-opening is my wish" then it can be really tricky to respond to that... particularly if that opinion is one spoken by a mod.

Quite a while back I responded to someone else and said that their similar views were selfish as I thought that they were and technically it fit the dictionary definition of the word, and I don't think it went down very well. Is there a difference between calling another user selfish and calling a mod selfish? I think there is, yes. Am I responding to them as a user.. or do they see it as me responding to them as a mod? Perhaps there can be some consequences there if the other person holds a grudge?

If a mod engages in discussion and has a controversial opinion, I'd like to hope the floor is open for users to respond to that opinion and have it kept in context of the discussion as opposed to being interpreted as a sign of disrespect towards their role.
So my comment in reply to 73 4V XB about ****ing off another mod was mostly a joke, yes. I was replying to them in the way a user would reply to another user but if the mod feels it was disrespectful towards their role as mod then I am probably up ****s creek.

I am once again very disappointed that you continued on with this line of posting.

There are a number of safeguards in place to prevent this kind of thing happening.

AFF have 4 supermods and admin (Russ) that oversee the whole of AFF. We are selected by Russ as the believes that we are very well qualified to be ethical in all of our dealings within AFF and will not use our position for personal gain. That is not in anyway taking away from any of the other mods particularly Gaso who has the hardest job of all - moderating the Pub and bar, the two most busiest areas where most of the posts occur and arguments begin.

If you see a mod using his position for personal gain, then PM either a supermod or admin and we will review it. Keep in mind though, anything that we discuss with that mod in question will be kept private just as anything that we discuss with an AFF member is kept private.

If you think that we don't take action, I know of one member who had his mod privileges taken of them due to using them for personal gain.

Any further posts, anywhere in AFF, that question the integrity of AFF and people who help keep this great forum running will have their post deleted and a warning issued.



Actually, come to think of it, don't be surprised if Russ comes along and hands out a ban anyway. He does not tolerate this sort of thing one bit.

Originally Posted by arm79

Have you ever personally considered the devastation a flu outbreak brings in a aged care facility prior to covid? I'm sure you've never viewed them as anything other than statistics we see in a report every 6 to 12 months.

Yes I have. My mum has been an aged care nurse all her life, I used to walk to the facility after school and we'd go home from there. That people see influenza as "just the flu" is a personal bugbear of mine as it's actually quite a severe illness and as you say, knocks off a good amount of people each year.

I don't see those deaths as 'just another statistic', particularly as it's people who go and visit their elderly family members when they're clearly sick but think it's just a case of the sniffles. For them it probably is just a case of the sniffles but they give no thought to the severity of the disease it might cause in someone else, especially a home full of people whose immune systems aren't as good as theirs. But does that stop them from visiting? Nope.

I was kind of hoping that at the end of this pandemic, that "just the flu" stuff would be upgraded in peoples' minds and the disease given the respect it deserves as opposed to covid being downgraded to "just a flu". That's probably not going to happen though. :/

[MITCHAY]

ACT restrictions relaxed from tonight. Changes to masks from next Friday but to be announced next week. At least get rid of them from workplace I suspect.

https://www.covid19.act.gov.au/news-...t-from-tonight

[arm79]

Aaaaaannnddd... WA have decided to rejoin the country on March 3rd.

But will require a booster shoot for entry if the traveller is eligible for one.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...b42981a1f21479

Also means McClown only has to do 7 days quarantine after returning from Sydney for this defamation trial. Coincidence apparently.

Still a number of state restrictions regarding density and numbers.

But happily for my family, a step in the right direction.

Providing he doesn't change his mind again!

[MITCHAY]

I expect a back flip until proven otherwise. McFlog has form. I was wondering what was going to happen when the court ordered he'd have to front in person in the trial against Clive

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by arm79

Aaaaaannnddd... WA have decided to rejoin the country on March 3rd.

But will require a booster shoot for entry if the traveller is eligible for one.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...b42981a1f21479

Also means McClown only has to do 7 days quarantine after returning from Sydney for this defamation trial. Coincidence apparently.

Still a number of state restrictions regarding density and numbers.

But happily for my family, a step in the right direction.

Providing he doesn't change his mind again!

Nice to see the Hermit Kingdom rejoin Australia, this will reunite family and friends.
Good to see McGowan come to his senses.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I expect a back flip until proven otherwise. McFlog has form.

Shhhh... FFS... Don't jinx it.

If it happens I will blame you and come find you!

[MITCHAY]

Do we remember Feb 5th. That was supposed to happen too

I work with someone who lives in Perth and has lost both her parents in India during this rona crisis and ****ed over multiple times by this bull****.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by arm79

But will require a booster shoot for entry if the traveller is eligible for one.

Lets see how this goes when international borders re-open. Would border force at the airport be required to enforce state rules? The feds have already said they will allow double vaxed to enter quarantine free. So tourists will walk out the airport and be already in breach of state rules?

[MITCHAY]

Border force only enforce the entry requirements for Australia as they have always done at the time. The Feds are not the problem, WA state government are.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Lets see how this goes when international borders re-open. Would border force at the airport be required to enforce state rules? The feds have already said they will allow double vaxed to enter quarantine free. So tourists will walk out the airport and be already in breach of state rules?

The booster shot requirement is for eligible people is for domestic arrivals only.

International arrivals only have to meet current federal requirements, so double jabbed.



I dare say the technicality lies in what is required to enter the state domestically vs what is required to freely travel the state unrestricted. At this point international arrivals can enter but face restrictions if they are not boosted "when they should be".

[arm79]

Originally Posted by leesa

Yes I have. My mum has been an aged care nurse all her life, I used to walk to the facility after school and we'd go home from there. That people see influenza as "just the flu" is a personal bugbear of mine as it's actually quite a severe illness and as you say, knocks off a good amount of people each year.

So have you pursued any avenues or advocated for any increase in restrictions in aged car homes during flu seasons? Advocated for visitor restrictions? Facility lockdowns? Mandatory flu shots for staff and residents? Mandatory regular flu tests for staff and residents? Written to your Federal member or the health minister about your concerns? Might I have seen your efforts somewhere?

I take it you did not visit you mum or her home at all during the 6 month flu season? Made sure no other family visited her too? I mean just being there could induce an outbreak.

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Do we remember Feb 5th. That was supposed to happen too

Like I said... SHHHHHH!!!! No jinxing!

[russellw]

Originally Posted by leesa

Is there a line that you'd be happy to draw for accepted covid deaths each year? If so, what is that number? Sorry guys, if we reach the tipping point then it looks like you and your families are out of luck.

For anyone who is horrified that names were being referenced as potential victims of this new post-tipping-point world... you probably should be horrified.
It's easy to say that we should just accept a portion of people as collateral damage when it all gets too difficult for the rest of society to live with covid suppression, but it's a bit harder when they're real people and not just statistics, isn't it? I hope it's harder, at least.

You shouldn't feel any differently about the plan when the end result affects people anonymously versus when it affects people that you know. If you do feel differently then I'd suggest it's because you know it's wrong, and that you're just prepared to accept it provided it doesn't happen to anyone you're close with.

Even though my wife is part of your quotes, the reality is that we will have to end up accepting some level of deaths from COVID as I have been saying for 2 years now. All that has really been debatable is what that level actually is. Influenza deaths in Australia average <500 over any 10 year period but they are also very inconsistent year-to-year. For example, 2017 (1,181) and 2019 (902) were bad years but 2016 (273) and 2018 (148) weren't while during COVID restrictions 2020 only had 36 and 2021 had exactly zero.

If anything, flu deaths are often more tragic as they impact the very young as much as the old but we have come to accept a 'level' of deaths.

Last year we had 1,323 COVID deaths which was ~2.5x the 10-year average for Influenza if we ignore the anomaly of the last two years. while this year we are already at 2,500+ and it's not even the end of February so I'd think we haven't reached an acceptable number yet even if the CMR is overall lower.

As for your comments about moderation, let me tell you that they came awfully close to earning you a ban. If you have an issue with the moderation on this forum then there are channels provided for you to express those views without having a public bleat about it.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by russellw

Even though my wife is part of your quotes, the reality is that we will have to end up accepting some level of deaths from COVID as I have been saying for 2 years now. All that has really been debatable is what that level actually is. Influenza deaths in Australia average <500 over any 10 year period but they are also very inconsistent year-to-year. For example, 2017 (1,181) and 2019 (902) were bad years but 2016 (273) and 2018 (148) weren't while during COVID restrictions 2020 only had 36 and 2021 had exactly zero.

If anything, flu deaths are often more tragic as they impact the very young as much as the old but we have come to accept a 'level' of deaths.

Last year we had 1,323 COVID deaths which was ~2.5x the 10-year average for Influenza if we ignore the anomaly of the last two years. while this year we are already at 2,500+ and it's not even the end of February so I'd think we haven't reached an acceptable number yet even if the CMR is overall lower.

As for your comments about moderation, let me tell you that they came awfully close to earning you a ban. If you have an issue with the moderation on this forum then there are channels provided for you to express those views without having a public bleat about it.

Originally Posted by arm79

So have you pursued any avenues or advocated for any increase in restrictions in aged car homes during flu seasons? Advocated for visitor restrictions? Facility lockdowns? Mandatory flu shots for staff and residents? Mandatory regular flu tests for staff and residents? Written to your Federal member or the health minister about your concerns? Might I have seen your efforts somewhere?

I take it you did not visit you mum or her home at all during the 6 month flu season? Made sure no other family visited her too? I mean just being there could induce an outbreak.



Like I said... SHHHHHH!!!! No jinxing!

It appears Leesa is not a member of this forum anymore, am I correct with my assumption.

[russellw]

We've obviously seen a rapid increase in the number of cases in Australia over the last month, so here is some data about hospitalisations and mortalities since Omicron became the prevalent infection.

The data is for each week from the 3rd December onward.

That first week saw 10,764 cases and the 544 people in hospital represented 5% of cases although they were probably mostly Delta patients.

Jump to this last week (ending 18/2) and the case numbers were 202,001 and there were 2,504 people in hospital or just 1.240% of cases and that percentage has fallen again after rising the previous two weeks as shown in the charts below.

Hospitalisation - Raw Numbers and % of Cases






Likewise, the number of patients in ICU has also continued to climb from 159 in that first week to 274 now (although it has been higher in between) but the percentage of cases has fallen from 1.477% in week 1 to 0.1316 this week.

ICU - Raw Numbers and % of Cases






The number of deaths from those cases also continues to drop as a percentage. It was 0.372% in that first week and 0.136% in this last week although we do know that adjusted CMR is probably a more reliable gauge so it is included in that graph – the latter of which is climbing.






.. and for completeness, the growth in case numbers for the same period.