Vfacts march 2022

[DFB FGXR6]

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...gures-released

Toyota 21,828 2.4%
Mazda 11,248 4.3%
Mitsubishi 9007 40.1%
Hyundai 6516 -4.9%
Kia 6051 4.3%
Ford 4245 -29.0%
MG 3962 20.0%
Isuzu Ute 3306 4.2%
Nissan 3168 -30.5%
Tesla 3097 NA

Toyota HiLux 6324
Toyota RAV4 4610
Mitsubishi Triton 3808
Mazda CX-5 3772
Tesla Model 3 3097
Ford Ranger 2960
Hyundai i30 2455
Isuzu D-Max 2447
Toyota Prado 2230
Toyota Corolla 1924
Mazda CX-30 1829

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport – 0
Ford Endura – 0
Ford Escape – 101
Ford Everest – 514
Ford Fiesta – 5
Ford Focus – 19
Ford Mondeo – 0
Ford Mustang – 117
Ford Puma – 167
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 217
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 2743
Ford Transit Bus – 3
Ford Transit Custom – 274
Ford Transit Heavy – 85
Ford Total – 4245

Nissan Patrol up 94% YTD -
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...s-sales-record

Tesla Model 3 Number 1 passenger car -
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...orolla-and-i30

[kypez]

Will be interesting once the new model Ranger and Everest hit the market. Can't come soon enough for some though.

Funny result for Tesla given no one wants EVs... According to many here. Rather inconvenient Truth there.

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[Franco Cozzo]

No MG this month in the top 10 and Tesla suddenly in the top 10 taking 5th position with the Model 3 - well paint me black and call me Kunta Kinte.

[cycle myth]

I understand this is the first time Tesla have reported and there may be some prior months results as catch up for the year.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by cycle myth

I understand this is the first time Tesla have reported and there may be some prior months results as catch up for the year.

No, not the first time per say. They gave yearly totals last year. And they have only provided 1 month data for this VFact. YTD totals are different and are not included (after the Tesla guys got it wrong when they first reported numbers).

It's actually covered in the article that it is accurate and doesn't include previous months.

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[Bossxr8]

Semi-conductor shortages hitting Thai production fairly hard. It had to catch up to them at some point. Going to be an on going thing for the first half of the year. Opens right up in the 2nd half.

Order books are full, just can't get the cars built.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kypez

Funny result for Tesla given no one wants EVs... According to many here. Rather inconvenient Truth there.

who said that? and why does every post have to turn into an EV Promo?

PS I think we all know car sales figures are all askew atm.

Hilux double Ranger which is down in 5th isn't the norm

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

PS I think we all know car sales figures are all askew atm.

Even so... 3k units is what Ranger was moving in 2019-2020. It's a significant result. Arguably, 2021 sales for Ranger were an aberration as people went 'lifestyle crazy'. I'd be surprised if Ranger moves 4k/mth consistently once the new model novelty dies down, same happened to Mustang.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

who said that? and why does every post have to turn into an EV Promo?



PS I think we all know car sales figures are all askew atm.



Hilux double Ranger which is down in 5th isn't the norm

Because I'd love for Ford to see the opportunity and bring the Mach E and Lightning here! And fast track the Ranger Lightning model.

I literally called out in the first sentence that numbers will be better once the new Ranger and Everest hit the market.

Lessons from history. Falcon was killing it in the B series. Fuel prices went up. People stopped buying them. EcoLPi and Ecoboost came but way too late. Even after the price of fuel dropped, people had moved on.

Fuel prices have gone up... Ford have a product that only appeals to those who are tax minimizing... Great opportunity to be first here. No reasonably priced EV SUV or dual cab outside of MG for SUV. Once the model Y hits the market, you might as well give up that segment.

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[Bossxr8]

Sales and orders aren't off, the order backlog is getting longer. It's supply that is the problem now.

Why are people suddenly suggesting that demand has dropped. If anything, the new model, which has just gone into production, has increased demand.

Won't be till the second half that it picks back up.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by b0son

Even so... 3k units is what Ranger was moving in 2019-2020. It's a significant result. Arguably, 2021 sales for Ranger were an aberration as people went 'lifestyle crazy'. I'd be surprised if Ranger moves 4k/mth consistently once the new model novelty dies down, same happened to Mustang.

Hilux has been Australia's No1 selling for some time, so why put Ranger sales down to people being "Lifestyle Crazy"

and this: "new model novelty dies down"

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kypez

Because I'd love for Ford to see the opportunity and bring the Mach E and Lightning here! And fast track the Ranger Lightning model.

I literally called out in the first sentence that numbers will be better once the new Ranger and Everest hit the market.

Lessons from history. Falcon was killing it in the B series. Fuel prices went up. People stopped buying them. EcoLPi and Ecoboost came but way too late. Even after the price of fuel dropped, people had moved on.

Fuel prices have gone up... Ford have a product that only appeals to those who are tax minimizing... Great opportunity to be first here. No reasonably priced EV SUV or dual cab outside of MG for SUV. Once the model Y hits the market, you might as well give up that segment.

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Mach E & Lightning will make it here.. but not with current supply demands on more lucrative markets than ours.

People didn't stop buying Falcons due to Petrol prices.
Ranger appeals to more than those who are tax minimizing


but none of this is what I asked.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Mach E & Lightning will make it here.. but not with current supply demands on more lucrative markets than ours.



People didn't stop buying Falcons due to Petrol prices.

Ranger appeals to more than those who are tax minimizing





but none of this is what I asked.

To answer your question, it's been said by many in numerous threads that EVs equal some kind of Satan worship.

Why can't we talk EVs when there is one in the Vfacts. Would you rather talk about the boring Hilux or the others vanilla cars make it into the top. The Ford result is hamstrung by supply but they could "Go Further" ahead of the competition with EVs IMO.

Model Y books open in the next few weeks. Let's see if Ford missed the party with the Mach E locally.

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[b0son]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Hilux has been Australia's No1 selling for some time, so why put Ranger sales down to people being "Lifestyle Crazy"

There was a 50% jump in units per month from 2020 to 2021. Around the same timing as a massive jump in caravan/camper sales. Coincidence?

and this: "new model novelty dies down"

You're the one trying to downplay the significance of Tesla's sales. They're on a par with what Ranger had been selling until Covid made buyers lose their senses.

3k per month is frankly astounding for a nation that 'doesnt have a use case for EV's'. I guess that means the Ranger was a crap performer before 2021?

[BENT_8]

Im not buying the chip shortage BS any more.
How is it that Toyota can get 22k chip ladened cars to our market and 8 out of the top 10 manufacturers see growth yet one brand down almost 30%.
Clearly those 6.5k Hilux buyers arent holding out for a V6 diesel.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Im not buying the chip shortage BS any more.
How is it that Toyota can get 22k chip ladened cars to our market

Maybe Toyota's supply contract is worth more to the chip producers?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Im not buying the chip shortage BS any more.
How is it that Toyota can get 22k chip ladened cars to our market and 8 out of the top 10 manufacturers see growth yet one brand down almost 30%.
Clearly those 6.5k Hilux buyers arent holding out for a V6 diesel.

They were affected

https://techxplore.com/news/2022-01-...-shortage.html
https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...tion-shortages
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...tage/100392630

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Wretched

They were affected

https://techxplore.com/news/2022-01-...-shortage.html
https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...tion-shortages
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...tage/100392630

Don't let facts get in the way.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kypez

To answer your question, it's been said by many in numerous threads that EVs equal some kind of Satan worship.

Interesting never seen it.

Originally Posted by kypez

Why can't we talk EVs when there is one in the Vfacts. Would you rather talk about the boring Hilux or the others vanilla cars make it into the top.

Model 3 cannot get anymore Vanilla IMO but I'm not buying a Hilux either

Originally Posted by kypez

The Ford result is hamstrung by supply but they could "Go Further" ahead of the competition with EVs IMO.

Model Y books open in the next few weeks. Let's see if Ford missed the party with the Mach E locally.

Ford have missed the boat here on a lot more than EVs - we barely see any of the Ecoboost range of engines or hear about how great they are.

[fiestaz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Im not buying the chip shortage BS any more.
How is it that Toyota can get 22k chip ladened cars to our market and 8 out of the top 10 manufacturers see growth yet one brand down almost 30%.
Clearly those 6.5k Hilux buyers arent holding out for a V6 diesel.

Toyota said from the start they were less affected by it compared to other manufacturers due to the way they have their parts ordering system set up (don't ask, google it).

There is no way it is BS. Every other manufacturer is struggling with the issue.
Work is looking into buying a VW caddy. They are just about impossible to come by. Sales of the Golf have fallen through the floor because they can't get them.
And thats just one example of another manufacturer.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Interesting never seen it.

REALLY?!

Model 3 cannot get anymore Vanilla IMO but I'm not buying a Hilux either

Absolutely. Especially in base form. It's the new Camry except they handle really well and have more performance than my XR8 used to. And pretty good features.... Actually, scratch that, they are salted vanilla.

Ford have missed the boat here on a lot more than EVs - we barely see any of the Ecoboost range of engines or hear about how great they are.

True. Seems always last to the party. Such a shame cause I'm such a big Ford fan. They just don't offer anything that excites (bar Mustang, which I have). I have no idea how people drive the Ranger and after owning the Everest, 0-100 of 11 seconds and 80-120 of 9 seconds is just tragic. They new engines should've been used 5 years ago. Market is moving to electric and they bring big petrol and diesel engines. Sigh. The diesel V6 is a 20 year old donk!! Same thing they did with the Terri getting a diesel that was pretty outdated.

Heck, I'd have given a platinum Everest a go but they won't do it in blue for some stupid reason. There goes that sale.

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[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Wretched

They were affected

https://techxplore.com/news/2022-01-...-shortage.html
https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...tion-shortages
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...tage/100392630

Those articles are from months ago, no doubt they we're impacted but it hasnt lingered for most brands as some would have you believe.
Toyots at 22k units is back to pre chip numbers, so too Mazda, etc. etc. Only Ford is down from the big players and the numbers suggest its more to do with Ranger and Everest buyers playing the waiting game than due to significant shortages in other product.
Thing is, it appears as though only existing Ranger buyers are holding off for new Ranger as buyers of its main competitors have bought up big despite its imminent arrival.
I envisinged a modest fall from competitor numbers as they wait for new Ranger, the opposite happened.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

Toyota said from the start they were less affected by it compared to other manufacturers due to the way they have their parts ordering system set up (don't ask, google it).

Umm, I dont need to Google it, I said months ago that Toyota were wise to move away from JIT on critical componantry after learning from the tsunami.
They still only had so much inventory and saw a breif dip but have bounced back as have many others.

Its a BS line being used to continue the forecourt stock shortage to maintain higher pricing.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Im not buying the chip shortage BS any more.
How is it that Toyota can get 22k chip ladened cars to our market and 8 out of the top 10 manufacturers see growth yet one brand down almost 30%.
Clearly those 6.5k Hilux buyers arent holding out for a V6 diesel.

I doubt that has anything to do with the burst of sales last month.
Going on the past few months stories, this is the big catch up that Toyota has been needing
and clearly, the 6,500 Hilux delivered last month were mostly/all vehicles ordered months ago.
Ranger is disappointing but we know this is what Ford does, dragging its heels on the new model,
letting the tide go out on deliveries of the existing model while some wonder WTF is going on.

Toyota deserve big wraps for getting heaps of vehicles built and to our shores, a really strong month.
Ford is so dependant on good Ranger/Everest sales month, each time there’s a drop, it really sticks out.
If Boss is right about longer order lists, Ford really needs to get this fixed and vehicles to customers.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Those articles are from months ago, no doubt they we're impacted but it hasnt lingered for most brands as some would have you believe.
Toyots at 22k units is back to pre chip numbers, so too Mazda, etc. etc. Only Ford is down from the big players and the numbers suggest its more to do with Ranger and Everest buyers playing the waiting game than due to significant shortages in other product.
Thing is, it appears as though only existing Ranger buyers are holding off for new Ranger as buyers of its main competitors have bought up big despite its imminent arrival.
I envisinged a modest fall from competitor numbers as they wait for new Ranger, the opposite happened.

Soooo, they were impacted and the chip shortage is NOT BS

Toyota had a large backlog of orders, especially for RAV4, going back nearly a year, they had the stock of parts then but that dried up and the chip shortage has hit them, like everyone else. I don't know how quick you think these items can be turned around, but isn't overnight or even weeks, you're looking a months to years to recoup.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-chip-shortage

Although, feel free to provide evidence to counter the whole chip shortage, that it is a hoax. I and many many others would love to see it.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Soooo, they were impacted and the chip shortage is NOT BS

Toyota had a large backlog of orders, especially for RAV4, going back nearly a year, they had the stock of parts then but that dried up and the chip shortage has hit them, like everyone else. I don't know how quick you think these items can be turned around, but isn't overnight or even weeks, you're looking a months to years to recoup.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-chip-shortage

Although, feel free to provide evidence to counter the whole chip shortage, that it is a hoax. I and many many others would love to see it.

Lol, yes there was a chip shortage, yes most we're impacted but results from the other main players suggest the 'shortage' is behind us and the numbers are heading in the right direction.

Ford is down almost 30%, 30% of the usual 6-7k is a touch over 2k units, Ranger/Everest is down around that number, no correlation though, cue the monthly propoganda...chip shortage.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Lol, yes there was a chip shortage, yes most we're impacted but results from the other main players suggest the 'shortage' is behind us and the numbers are heading in the right direction.

Ford is down almost 30%, 30% of the usual 6-7k is a touch over 2k units, Ranger/Everest is down around that number, no correlation though, cue the monthly propoganda...chip shortage.

It's not behind them though - most manufacturers got around it by supplying cars without the chips, so missing features.

[fiestaz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Umm, I dont need to Google it, I said months ago that Toyota were wise to move away from JIT on critical componantry after learning from the tsunami.
They still only had so much inventory and saw a breif dip but have bounced back as have many others.

Its a BS line being used to continue the forecourt stock shortage to maintain higher pricing.

Alright so let’s follow your theory.
Cars are still being ordered. There WAS a shortage.

Factories are now up and running at full capacity, catching up on those orders. Go into a dealer, I want XYZ, “we have no stock right now”. Is that not still a shortage??

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

Alright so let’s follow your theory.
Cars are still being ordered. There WAS a shortage.

Factories are now up and running at full capacity, catching up on those orders. Go into a dealer, I want XYZ, “we have no stock right now”. Is that not still a shortage??

But there is stock, I went into a number of dealerships on the weekend and there was quite a bit of stock on hand, sure some particular equipment levels might be thin but it isnt as bad as is being made out.
I drive for a living, do 1500km a week in metro and rural SA and pass many dealerships of all brands and am not seeing this lack of availability that is being put forward.
Drive around the holding yards at the docks, heaps of cars of all kinds and then theres the holding yards throughout the metro areas.
You'd be surprised how many vehicles are kept 'offsite'.

2 months ago, no argument, but not now and its getting better by the day.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Umm, I dont need to Google it, I said months ago that Toyota were wise to move away from JIT on critical componantry after learning from the tsunami.
They still only had so much inventory and saw a breif dip but have bounced back as have many others.

Its a BS line being used to continue the forecourt stock shortage to maintain higher pricing.

So you think car companies have bought the Oil industry playbook and deliberately holding back supply to keep prices up....