Queensland drivers could be quizzed on road rules when they renew their licence.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by arm79

The Courier Mail had a 10 question quiz on road rules recently, in wake of this licence quiz. I was stunned at the amount of people picking the wrong answer.

Green light - go
Yellow light - go faster
Red light - look for red light camera, then go

[kevino]

I was just thing about kids with wealthy parents who learn to drive in a very late model car.

But one day they have to drive say an old Hilux or Mazda ute no elec windows no blind spot assist no elec mirrors no lane centreing wind up windows

I reckon they would be totally baffled

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

My point is I shouldn't have to turn them off every time I start the car, or have to turn off TCS when going over speed humps on a wet ramp - my Focus has TCS and its not on a hair trigger like the Volvo variant where it comes on the moment it detects the slightest amount of wheel slip.

Mazda is another brand which used to make great drivers cars pre and during their 'zoom zoom' era, then they drank the kool-aid and started making absolute potato cars devoid of all steering feel and programmed drive by wire to kill throttle response and make it real doughy and **** to drive.

The 00s Mazda 3 was a fantastic fun little car to scoot around in, then the 2016 era stuff they nerfed the crap out of all the good stuff in the Mazda 3 and 6 and now they're gormless potato cars.

Bloody annoying with all the bells and whistle going off while you are being distracted to look away from the road while you find whats it's doing.

This tech is so good, why do I still get car drivers cutting in on me on freeways when I can clearly see the little warning light illuminated on their left hand side mirrors.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Bloody annoying with all the bells and whistle going off while you are being distracted to look away from the road while you find whats it's doing.

This tech is so good, why do I still get car drivers cutting in on me on freeways when I can clearly see the little warning light illuminated on their left hand side mirrors.

Having gone from cars with almost no tech (my ute still has none)
Driving the missus Tucson i agree some of it can be overwhelming and almost distracting.
Radar cruise i really like, i only had a cpl times when we first got it and found myself doing 10/15kph less than the limit due to the car in front, no such problems now. Pretty easy to tell if the car has slowed imo and if its a single lane road theres nothing you can do anyway really.
I still always check for the all clear changing lanes and all that jazz, and if the thing beeps at me i react and stay where iam and reassess the situation.
As for people ignoring the tech, ive never continued to merge or anything like that if its told me i shouldnt so i dont know. And i think in this instance the car cant be blamed, if the driver is stupid enough to ignore what could be a possible accident then i think the blame falls on them.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Having gone from cars with almost no tech (my ute still has none)
Driving the missus Tucson i agree some of it can be overwhelming and almost distracting.
Radar cruise i really like, i only had a cpl times when we first got it and found myself doing 10/15kph less than the limit due to the car in front, no such problems now. Pretty easy to tell if the car has slowed imo and if its a single lane road theres nothing you can do anyway really.
I still always check for the all clear changing lanes and all that jazz, and if the thing beeps at me i react and stay where iam and reassess the situation.
As for people ignoring the tech, ive never continued to merge or anything like that if its told me i shouldnt so i dont know. And i think in this instance the car cant be blamed, if the driver is stupid enough to ignore what could be a possible accident then i think the blame falls on them.

All very nice if you know the car. Rentals, particularly to infrequent drivers have the potential to create accidents rather than avoid them. Maybe a little more explanations would be in order at the check in, not here's the keys. its the blue one.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

All very nice if you know the car. Rentals, particularly to infrequent drivers have the potential to create accidents rather than avoid them. Maybe a little more explanations would be in order at the check in, not here's the keys. its the blue one.

Yeah i agree re rentals thats for sure.

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by Cav

The closer you get the slower I go

I set cruise control to 100 which is actually 96

I listen to country music on the wireless

I'm in my mid 70s

I do all this to stay alive because SHE is in the passenger seat watching my every move

Yeh don't mind what age one is, or what music one likes, as long as they are doing close to the limit.

To be honest, and hopefully no offence, I'd like to see drivers over 75 display a grey P on their cars like newbies have a red or green P. This would alert other road users that things may be happening all a bit slower. Not all but many.

In my neck of the woods the amount of no indication, slowing to 25 for no apparent reason, doing 10+ km/h under, or being the head of a snake for long distances is predominately that age group. Tourist would have to be the other culprits. And there after its hard to find a reason why the rest follow suit.

Like i said when you strike 3 out of 4 cars on every trip all being slow pokes it becomes beyond a joke.

[kevino]

I have sometimes wondered whether they underspeed to save fuel.

[Rallye Sport]

So much unnecessary angst whilst driving.

Wanna go fast, head to the track, you might learn something and it'll pull you down a peg or two.

On the roads, set the cruise and climate, pop on some tunes.

See a tourist, an oldy or a learner, realize that you used to be one, have been one or will be one.

Come across a numpty and rest assured that Darwins theory will prove itself to them on day.

Relax everyone, you'll get to your destination soon enough.

[kevino]

Some of us drive for a living
Some of us have time schedules to keep

Less some of us achieve in kms per day means less earnings

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

and proper wind up windows, but still looks a little to modern for me.

Hang orn! I had crusise in a '78 Effy. It was great, 650 Holly with a bit of chain attached to the throttle arm, then the choke Cable into the cab.
Drive to speed, (whatever that is), then pull the choke & wind it to lock, worked well, mile after mile.

[lra]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Which button do I press to turn off radar cruise control

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That car would be undriveable for a lot of younguns.
The lever poking from the floor with numbers on it. They might work that out.
But the 'Pull and Turn' handle thingy next to the steering wheel ...... big mystery about that one.
And some sort of drawer that is too small for one of those ancient CD music discs, or a phone.

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

So much unnecessary angst whilst driving.

Wanna go fast, head to the track, you might learn something and it'll pull you down a peg or two.

On the roads, set the cruise and climate, pop on some tunes.

See a tourist, an oldy or a learner, realize that you used to be one, have been one or will be one.

Come across a numpty and rest assured that Darwins theory will prove itself to them on day.

Relax everyone, you'll get to your destination soon enough.

I understand this, but also understand this.
just imagine you drive a truck and have time restrictions to pick up and deliver loads. There are x number of loads that can be done in a day doing the limit and being safe. Everyone of those loads means $500 to you. You need 2/3 of the loads to break even.

You travel 40km of road regularly where the opportunity to over take occurs once, if you are empty. In a truck if you are full you need a good run up, or a long long piece of road; but generally forget about it if loaded.

You find some car, ute, horse float, people mover, rental van, caravan that decides to do 60 in the 80, then 70 in the 90 for the 40km. This happens at least once a week so you drop $500, sometime its $1000. Unless you get on the horn or tail gate them as close as you dare. I have even rang a number on then back of a car once and asked why they were doing 20 under.

Then for most of the other days you find someone doing 70 in the 80, 80 in the 90, or 30 in the 40 at the road works. That is after you have sat for 10 minutes at those road works, or there are multiple road works on the same bit of road just spaced out nicely. And then when you come the overtaking opportunity boof head decides to sit in the right lane.

I have scenarios of people not indicating to turn into a drive in the 90 section, or giving just 20m worth at the bottom of a hill. People who are head of the snake in the 80 overtaking section panic and slam the brakes on because they are about to overtake a wide load well off to the left. Couriers doing 25 in the 90 sitting in the middle of the road looking for the house number just after a crest. bla bla bla.

Then you come home to your community and hop into your car, and 3 out of 4 cars are doing 10 to 15 under for the 10km section with very limited overtaking opportunities. While at least once a week ol sly is sitting in the down hill overtaking opportunity with his camera. I mean WTF.

In truck you learn patience, as you are acutely aware 42T eats a 1T car. And I am better driver now I drive a truck. I'll follow cyclist up hills for kilometres if its not safe to overtake. I give plenty of patience to Ls, green or red Ps. I'm having fun teaching my own daughter on her Ls though she took out the front left guard reversing out of the drive yesterday.

Think people need an advanced driving / confidence building / respect for other road users programme maybe bi annually, not a road rule quiz.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by myrpo

Unless you get on the horn or tail gate them as close as you dare.

In truck you learn patience, as you are acutely aware 42T eats a 1T car. And I am better driver now I drive a truck.

A couple of conflicting statements there, tailgate them/learn patience.

And if you actually did either of what you said the first paragraph to a car driver you don't belong in a Truck.

[aussiblue]

Cav said:

Fat chance

Nah; don't panic Cav nobody said anything about a fatness test.....yet.

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

A couple of conflicting statements there, tailgate them/learn patience.

And if you actually did either of what you said the first paragraph to a car driver you don't belong in a Truck.

You left out "as close as you dare". But yes I can see its a bit conflicting as I have used behaviours in a truck and a car without being clear.

You can get on the horn 1 sec ( 25M ) behind a car in a truck which would be tailgating. Of course you can go closer if you dare, and many do, but not for me. My standard is 3 sec in the dry and 6 sec in the wet.

I imagine many would not understand truck patience until you have driven them. Cars zip in zip out. They can do 20 under to the hill and then easily accelerate up it, they can pull out and coast until thay realise a truck is behind them then accelerate away easily, or they can stop easily after late indication as well. They drop in on you at the end of an overtaking section then brake heavily to obtain the speed limit, or sneak through the round about because they want to be front. Its the all day long disregard to a truck via cars is the patience I am talking about.

I can tell you more cars pass me on double whites when I'm in the truck than what I pass in my car where I live. And I can tell you I'm only under the limit on the hills, which I pull over if possible to allow others to pass.

Why is it acceptable to do 10+ under anywhere, towing or not, even if its legal? Should there not be a general respect to other road users that if you can't maintain no less than 10 under, you should revisit the set up or confidence levels. Like I said if I am responsible to wear a fine for doing 4km over the limit, perhaps those who do 10+ under also have a responsibility.

I'd put money down if the average road user lost $500 out of the pay packet because someone in front of them wants to just day dream and drift long, all because they put their brain in the glove box, thing may be a little different.

As mentioned before, its not a rule issue, its a respect and confidence thing. An advanced driving course in the modern car would prove to just about everyone they are not driving the equivalent of an FX holden anymore. To do 80 or 90 on a county road and have to stop or slow a car side while moving it side ways is not a dangerous or life threatning activity anymore.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

See a tourist, an oldy

by all means drive as slow as you want. but look in your mirror and pull over if you are holding up a line of traffic

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by myrpo

I'd put money down if the average road user lost $500 out of the pay packet because someone in front of them wants to just day dream and drift long, all because they put their brain in the glove box, thing may be a little different.

'Oh, just plan ahead and leave earlier'

'There's nothing to gain by travelling faster'

'Who cares about getting to your destination earlier, its no big deal'

Time wasted in traffic could soon cost the economy $38.8 billion a year

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/f...my-38-billion/

These traffic delay increases have BITRE base case projections of the avoidable social costs of metropolitan congestion rising to around $30 billion by 2030—with the various baseline modelling scenarios conducted giving aggregate 2030 results of between $27.7 and $37.3 billion, depending upon the chosen input assumptions.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/files/is_074.pdf

We've got places to be, things to do, deliveries to make and coffees to drink:

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxP5qi0rP...2yHrp70LiccmHd

[Bossxr8]

If the HWP actually did their f'n job and actually enforced the left lane unless overtaking law, then the roads would be a much better place.

But they would be hesitant to fine people who are sitting well under the speed limit, because the whole speed kills mantra has been so brainwashed into the public, that it's made the guy sitting 20 under in the right hand lane with a long line of cars behind him believe it's his god given right to hold everyone up, because he's not speeding.

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

'Oh, just plan ahead and leave earlier'

'There's nothing to gain by travelling faster'

'Who cares about getting to your destination earlier, its no big deal'

Too true, and speeding hasn't really been mentioned. But when a business has council imposed curfews like no other. And then fitting that in around multiple road works sections that go on for well over 12 months on one piece of road, you can't plan enough for the muppets in la la land.

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If the HWP actually did their f'n job and actually enforced the left lane unless overtaking law, then the roads would be a much better place.

But they would be hesitant to fine people who are sitting well under the speed limit, because the whole speed kills mantra has been so brainwashed into the public, that it's made the guy sitting 20 under in the right hand lane with a long line of cars behind him believe it's his god given right to hold everyone up, because he's not speeding.

Yup, and no one will convince governments they have it wrong

[Cav]

Having already bin thru the caravan thingy days, I was aware that Ford does limit towing to 80km/hr for some vehicles.

Subaru same

Mitsubishi recommends 80-90

Toyota 100

This is all I could find

https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-d...g-speed-limits

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If the HWP actually did their f'n job and actually enforced the left lane unless overtaking law, then the roads would be a much better place.

But they would be hesitant to fine people who are sitting well under the speed limit, because the whole speed kills mantra has been so brainwashed into the public, that it's made the guy sitting 20 under in the right hand lane with a long line of cars behind him believe it's his god given right to hold everyone up, because he's not speeding.

My ex father in law got pulled over for driving too slow (40 in a 60 zone) and given a warning a few years back. The warning was for being a traffic hazard. I dont think the fuzz were being harsh at all. Driving in sydney, in a 60 zone you should atleast be doing 70........

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by Cav

Having already bin thru the caravan thingy days, I was aware that Ford does limit towing to 80km/hr for some vehicles.

Subaru same

Mitsubishi recommends 80-90

Toyota 100

This is all I could find

https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-d...g-speed-limits

interesting find there. You would think after 750kg trailers need to be braked. So all vehicles should be able to do the speed limit if the car is worth its salt.
I get towing CVM at 100 in some vehicles, or perhaps all would be a nerve racking experience. But for my money if you are towing you need the tow vehicle to be 500+ more than what you are pilling, not on par.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

My ex father in law got pulled over for driving too slow (40 in a 60 zone) and given a warning a few years back. The warning was for being a traffic hazard. I dont think the fuzz were being harsh at all. Driving in sydney, in a 60 zone you should atleast be doing 70........

Not at all harsh. People who drive ridiculously slow can be just as dangerous as those who drive ridiculously fast.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by myrpo

I have even rang a number on then back of a car once and asked why they were doing 20 under.

...and thats where you lost me and I stopped reading


Perhaps one of the questions on the quiz should be

You see a fuel spill at a servo, do you;

A. Exercise due care and caution

B. Throw a match at it

[Late braker]

Originally Posted by kevino

I was just thing about kids with wealthy parents who learn to drive in a very late model car.

But one day they have to drive say an old Hilux or Mazda ute no elec windows no blind spot assist no elec mirrors no lane centreing wind up windows

I reckon they would be totally baffled

Plus it could be a manual

[Late braker]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Having gone from cars with almost no tech (my ute still has none)
Driving the missus Tucson i agree some of it can be overwhelming and almost distracting.
Radar cruise i really like, i only had a cpl times when we first got it and found myself doing 10/15kph less than the limit due to the car in front, no such problems now. Pretty easy to tell if the car has slowed imo and if its a single lane road theres nothing you can do anyway really.
I still always check for the all clear changing lanes and all that jazz, and if the thing beeps at me i react and stay where iam and reassess the situation.
As for people ignoring the tech, ive never continued to merge or anything like that if its told me i shouldnt so i dont know. And i think in this instance the car cant be blamed, if the driver is stupid enough to ignore what could be a possible accident then i think the blame falls on them.

It’s the over-dependence that is the problem. Leads to complacency

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

...and thats where you lost me and I stopped reading


Perhaps one of the questions on the quiz should be

You see a fuel spill at a servo, do you;

A. Exercise due care and caution

B. Throw a match at it

sooo you find a car doing 60 in the 80. There is no opportunity to overtake for the next 40km. So you just settle in? Kick back, adjust the tunes, and happily burn money or miss whatever you have to do next. Enjoy the day no matter what.....hey I'll be responsible.....be cautious......all good. I accept rude road users no matter what all day any day. Hey why overtake anything in this life.

I rang the number and got some guy who hires cars. He said they were French tourists and was apologetic. Said he would ring them. I didn't stalk them, or was abusive to him, didn't rant and rave, just asked why the car was going so slow. He agreed 60 in 80 was wrong.


So how long do you follow L plater? or slow Red plater? How long do you sit behind a cyclist? How long do you sit behind a slow caravan or truck?

Sure most of us all show caution and patience, but when you are trapped and have no way to pass, most don't show patience for the next 40 minutes. Most don't go yeh stuff it I'm happy.

It's why they built duel carnage ways. The overtaking accidents on single lane high speed roads that carry volume is high. I recall as kid accessing the Sunshine Coast from Brisbane on the weekends, we should strike at least 1 if not 2, sometimes 3 accidents because someone was doing well under the speed limit, all because the rest of the world has something to do. Doesn't make it right but its human nature.


Perhaps the question is

Q: Is it responsible to do 20 under the limit when other road users are behind you on a single carriage.

A: Let them pass if you wish to drive that slow.

B: Maintain your speed and increase other road users frustration because its your democratic right.

C: Get fined for doing 10km under the limit.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by myrpo

sooo you find a car doing 60 in the 80. There is no opportunity to overtake for the next 40km. So you just settle in? Kick back, adjust the tunes, and happily burn money or miss whatever you have to do next. Enjoy the day no matter what.....hey I'll be responsible.....be cautious......all good. I accept rude road users no matter what all day any day. Hey why overtake anything in this life.

I rang the number and got some guy who hires cars. He said they were French tourists and was apologetic. Said he would ring them. I didn't stalk them, or was abusive to him, didn't rant and rave, just asked why the car was going so slow. He agreed 60 in 80 was wrong.


So how long do you follow L plater? or slow Red plater? How long do you sit behind a cyclist? How long do you sit behind a slow caravan or truck?

Sure most of us all show caution and patience, but when you are trapped and have no way to pass, most don't show patience for the next 40 minutes. Most don't go yeh stuff it I'm happy.

It's why they built duel carnage ways. The overtaking accidents on single lane high speed roads that carry volume is high. I recall as kid accessing the Sunshine Coast from Brisbane on the weekends, we should strike at least 1 if not 2, sometimes 3 accidents because someone was doing well under the speed limit, all because the rest of the world has something to do. Doesn't make it right but its human nature.


Perhaps the question is

Q: Is it responsible to do 20 under the limit when other road users are behind you on a single carriage.

A: Let them pass if you wish to drive that slow.

B: Maintain your speed and increase other road users frustration because its your democratic right.

C: Get fined for doing 10km under the limit.

Yes. Yesterday I drove a Hiace bus from Gc to Beechmont up in the hills behind the Gc. The Hiace is as slow as the second coming on hills -simple pulled over three or four times to let traffic pass.
Its easy dont understand why people are unaware of rear view mirrors and holding up other motorists who have time and work constraints.
Its just rude and bad mannered.