So "In 5 Years' time we'll all be driving Chinese cars" - how's that working out?

[Warrenk]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

If Ford can't provide the next passenger car I want then I will be looking at Mazda, never ever Chinese. I would never ever buy a Chinese SUV / Twin Cab either

I actually get a little internally angry when I hear people I know buying or have bought a Chinese piece of shit. Every time we buy their garbage we are supporting their economy and all they want to do is shaft us - the relationship is NOT a 2 way street

So you won't buy Chinese garbage, so I would think you will get rid of your computer, phone, all your household electrical appliance, all electric tools, some of your clothing, shoes and anything else you own which is made in China. These may not be a vehicle, but buying anything from China will support their economy.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Which would last better spending $40K ? (mind you I'd never buy either)
Jimny goes back from the 70's to date, depending the market.
Majority made in Japan early days and again market dependant Spain/Brazil/Indo/Kenya/Thai/India and a number more.
Won't be surprised it wll last better than the Haval at this stage.

China have had partnership IP with leading OE's going back yonks and yonks, mostly VW/Das Auto and GM who are very strong in their market last 40/50yrs.
Therefore that leads into sub supplier partnerships as well ie Bosch etcetc so they have had IP knowledge intel for a damn long time amongst other brands.
It is not new building vehicles there.
Some of their OE's are as old as our beginnings with GM/Ford building here and longer.
Their quality has been rubbish imo having visited there the last 25yrs BUT they now HAVE to lift their game having turned to Export their brands in todays world.
All up to them to make the grade.
I know the first chinese Importer here was Ateco, it was a failure for them for sometime, as one mentioned the first GWM utes were rubbish and a couple of other brands ala Chery.
The main issue apart from sub standard drivetrains/engines/QC was the lack of back up support which is the issue today and worse because more are coming to town.
I suppose early adaptors a term used today will pay the price of sub standard service for the bang for buck, good luck to them.

I had dramas getting parts for a customers Great Wall ute - V200 or what ever they were, was in 2015, I had to improvise some electrical circuitry to keep it going.

Would have only been 5-6 years old at the time.

I think if they get their shit together with spare parts then they'll be like Hyundai/Kia in the 1990s with cheap transport.

There's a lot of LDV Deliver 9 and G10+ on the roads, Mercedes Sprinter is losing a bit of ground to the Deliver 9.

[Crazy Dazz]

If you don't do your research, then the MG looks good in terms of features for dollars. They actually aren't that inexpensive, but their list of features is impressive. End of the day, we bought a demo Juke ST+ (<5kkm) for less than the price of a runout MG.

And I put a lot more faith in the features of the Nissan, to actually work.

I mean WTF is the point of a "Safety Feature" that only works occasionally?

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

nah, he is a 30 year old interstate truck driver

Is anyone immune to aging?



Yep, 25 years ago I hated those cheap crap Hyundai Excel's, but now I've got a Hyundai as the most expensive car in the driveway.

Except, Franco, I handed over the VDJ79 I've been driving for work the last 4 weeks

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

You may already know this but last year Aust. exported over $120Billion to China and we imported from China around $70Billion...yes almost all being resources....but our trade with China is equivalent to the total combined trade of the next 9 countries in this list....

https://tradingeconomics.com/austral...rts-by-country

Yeah, and as the Barley Ban taught the world, this whole idea that "we need China more than they need us" is a complete myth. Apart from failing miserably, the Barley Ban hurt Chinese manufacturers, more than it hurt Australian Farmers.

And the biggest joke, is that long-term, the world doesn't need China at all. The world buys Chinese Steel because it's cheaper. So the Chinese buy our Iron Ore.
First thing is that Iron Ore (like Barley) is a global commodity. We sell direct to China because they're close, but if they banned Australian Iron Ore, they would have to buy elsewhere, and we would sell elsewhere. We'd both lose out, but only in effect the cost of extra transport.
And long-term, there are plenty of other countries that would love to ramp up their steel making.

[JG33]

Rather catch a bus than own a Chinese built car.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

Except, Franco, I handed over the VDJ79 I've been driving for work the last 4 weeks

Expensive on the invoice, cheap on the driving experience - how did you enjoy all 430NM and 151KW

[MITCHAY]

I'd buy a second hand car before I'd buy a new one but each to their own. The other manufacturers abandoned the market so no surprise to me.

Especially when you don't give a shit about a cars except going A to B, which the young ones don't.

Toyota, Mazda, Kia, and Hyundai are really getting up there in cost.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Expensive on the invoice, cheap on the driving experience - how did you enjoy all 430NM and 151KW

Quoting instead...

It was an "experience"! Play the gears right, and you could be quicker off the mark than the occasional sleepy tradie. No fancy options to distract you, but I'm sure I earned a truckload of overtime trying to negotiate coffee drive thru's or finding a large enough parking spot!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

Quoting instead...

It was an "experience"! Play the gears right, and you could be quicker off the mark than the occasional sleepy tradie. No fancy options to distract you, but I'm sure I earned a truckload of overtime trying to negotiate coffee drive thru's or finding a large enough parking spot!

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

More recently there was the asbestos gaskets in motors, maybe asbestos in brakes too can't remember which brand though. Useful stuff, asbestos, good heat resistance properties.

Great Wall, now called GWM (Great Wall Motors)

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Warrenk

So you won't buy Chinese garbage, so I would think you will get rid of your computer, phone, all your household electrical appliance, all electric tools, some of your clothing, shoes and anything else you own which is made in China. These may not be a vehicle, but buying anything from China will support their economy.

I know, and I avoid buying anything Chinese where I can. I will ALWAYS buy an alternative to Chinese if there is one, what about you?

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I know, and I avoid buying anything Chinese where I can. I will ALWAYS buy an alternative to Chinese if there is one, what about you?

Interesting point and a valid one. The flood of cheap imports are having an impact on locally produced goods making it necessary ( if one cares enough) to think it through. A recent case was buying a pair of steel cap boots. One popular brand made in Bangladesh was $220 a pair. A store around the corner had Mongrel boots same style made in Australia for the same price

[Rastas]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

The Chinese have a long way to go before beating the Japanese and Thai

I'm guessing you have not yet watched the 2024 China Motor Show , even the Germans are now worried.

[Warrenk]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I know, and I avoid buying anything Chinese where I can. I will ALWAYS buy an alternative to Chinese if there is one, what about you?

You sound like the people in the same age group as you in the 1960's. Never buy any Japanese heap crap. 5 -10 years later, these same people were loving buying Japanese made.
The trouble is for most things today there are no alternatives to Chinese made. The big manufacturing companies made sure of that. I looked at buying a Chinese SUV recently, but decided to keep my American made SUV. Although, I am waiting on delivery for a Thailand made vehicle.

[.:4:.]

Whats kind of funny is my dads 1st car was a 67 toyota corona 2 door. His dad would not teach him to drive in his car so my dad had to buy his own car first. It was cheap because it was considered jap crap, yes he wrote it off as young blokes still kind of do. But these days one in reasonable shape is not entirely cheap for what it is/was.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Warrenk

You sound like the people in the same age group as you in the 1960's. Never buy any Japanese heap crap. 5 -10 years later, these same people were loving buying Japanese made.
The trouble is for most things today there are no alternatives to Chinese made. The big manufacturing companies made sure of that. I looked at buying a Chinese SUV recently, but decided to keep my American made SUV. Although, I am waiting on delivery for a Thailand made vehicle.

Japanese or Korean made vehicles are made in functional democracies which give their citizens some level of human rights. When the CCP loses power, only then would I buy a Chinese car.

And no, I have never bought a Japanese, Korean or Thai car, new or used.

I'll admit I do own Chinese made items but only when there is no alternative. For example, if there's a Taiwan made alternative I'll purchase that, even if it's never been made in Australia.

[T3rminator]

There is always an alternative......just depends on your level of tolerance for cost and time.

Took Dad's Tank 300 out for a good run last night. Bloody good car for what it is. I'm not allowed to push it yet, cos its still in the 1000km run in period . Really tempted to sink the boot in to see how well the 2L turbo goes. On part throttle its more than adequate for suburban roads. The auto box is beautiful.

Two complaints. The ELK is a bit of a pain, if you want to disable it you have to do it every time you start the car. And whoever designed the indicator function needs to be shot. To turn off the indicator you have to knock it "half way" and hold on to it. Do it too hard and you will switch the indicator to the other side. I absolutely hate it. Now if you see tank drivers not indicating or indicating both directions, you know why.

[Sprintey]

Why the West rejects a new wave of cheap Chinese goods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLekaO4LMc

Tried to mention this in the electric car thread but it's a bigger theme than just that - both rich and developing nations are putting up trade barriers to China, which is trying to do growth after housing bust via subsidising industry and dumping produce on the world's markets.

Fascinating to watch from Australia as we don't have a dog in this fight (we starved it.)

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Japanese or Korean made vehicles are made in functional democracies which give their citizens some level of human rights. When the CCP loses power, only then would I buy a Chinese car.

And no, I have never bought a Japanese, Korean or Thai car, new or used.

I'll admit I do own Chinese made items but only when there is no alternative. For example, if there's a Taiwan made alternative I'll purchase that, even if it's never been made in Australia.

Taiwan is good to deal with business wise too but you got CHAFTA which gives you no duty on imports from goods from China, so buying from Taiwan costs more than buying from China.

We tried to do a trade deal with Taiwan but because China told us to **** off, we backed out of it because we're cucks

Australia abandoned plans for Taiwanese free trade agreement after warning from China

Australia walked away from plans for a free trade agreement with Taiwan after China warned any deal would hurt relations between Beijing and Canberra.

Taiwan was on a list of economies the Coalition government was considering for bilateral trade deals but, in a series of meetings over 2017 and 2018, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi conveyed directly to former foreign minister Julie Bishop that China was opposed to Australia boosting formal ties with the government of President Tsai Ing-wen.

"The Chinese government made it clear to me that circumstances had changed between Taiwan and mainland China and that China would not look favourably on Australia seeking to pursue a free trade agreement with Taiwan, as New Zealand had done some years ago," Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...24-p50bj5.html

Thats what happens when you're a second rate economy who relies on one customer, with an economic complexity lower than that of the economic masterminds over at Uganda - can't even call us a 'banana republic', more like banana monarchy

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Warrenk

So you won't buy Chinese garbage, so I would think you will get rid of your computer, phone, all your household electrical appliance, all electric tools, some of your clothing, shoes and anything else you own which is made in China. These may not be a vehicle, but buying anything from China will support their economy.

pretty sure we are talking about cars here on this car forum, try to stick to topic eh

So, you would rather support their economy than ours - cool

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

pretty sure we are talking about cars here on this car forum, try to stick to topic eh

So, you would rather support their economy than ours - cool

Trade in Goods and Services with China

Largest two-way trading partner (surpassing $271.5 billion in 2020), accounting for almost a third of Australia's exports.

Largest export market for agriculture, resources and services.

Important destination for service exports ($10.3 billion in 2020-21).

Who is supporting who again?

[Trevor 57]

Go for it Franco, but don't whinge when the ****ers own everything

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Go for it Franco, but don't whinge when the ****ers own everything

They already do, and you have yourself to thank for it - its you lot who sold your own children down the river so you're the last person who can go around pointing fingers at others

The damage done to this country in the past 30 years is unbelievable,

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They already do, and you have yourself to thank for it - its you lot who sold your own children down the river so you're the last person who can go around pointing fingers at others

The damage done to this country in the past 30 years is unbelievable,

Trevor, it's all your fault.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They already do, and you have yourself to thank for it - its you lot who sold your own children down the river so you're the last person who can go around pointing fingers at others

The damage done to this country in the past 30 years is unbelievable,

Yeah but we traded that for really cool cheap stuff like the $40K Corolla...

oh wait

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Yeah but we traded that for really cool cheap stuff like the $40K Corolla...

oh wait

Last new car I bought was a 83 WB Holden panel van. $10 050 if a remember right.

[FTE217]

hum, more so the Govs yet we voted, trouble is they go ahead without asking so no its not all Trevs fault when Gov made a call to his place whilst he was out working when parliment is on.

[Sprintey]

I think Franco means the damage done in the last 30 years being unbelievable in relation to really, really stupid decisions that lead to situations like this:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/202...gas-emergency/

Not so much Trev's individual purchasing decisions, but rather decisions made by the older generations - that includes mine, if you look at who was in power when the gas offtakes were signed!

We are 2nd largest gas exporter in the world btw, were largest last year.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by FTE217

hum, more so the Govs yet we voted, trouble is they go ahead without asking so no its not all Trevs fault when Gov made a call to his place whilst he was out working when parliment is on.

Pointless voting for any Gov party these days, every pollie is just lining their own pockets first so they can set themselves up for a nice retirement job on the board of some big corporation.

Half of them should be up on treason charges imo.

As for driving a Chinese air frier in 5 years.