hahaha what a joke...

james22 · 08-08-2006, 10:58 AM

some ppl must be real stupid to get fooled by this %$#%.

http://www.hicloneqld.com/letters.htm#ford

hahaha sorry. couldnt help it lol

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mcflux · 08-08-2006, 11:13 AM

I love how they can determine percentages. "21.08% gain in fuel economy for normal motoring" (for an XF)

21.08%... that's rather precise, isn't it?

autickfordfairmont · 08-08-2006, 11:19 AM

Have you tried one?????

i know the theory behind it, also the theory behind all it is is a blockage in your intake, blah blah blah, but has anyone actually tried and tested one to base there comments such as this on

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Originally Posted by james22

some ppl must be real stupid to get fooled by this %$#%.

Hey if you have tried one then great, good to know there ****, but if you havent what are you baseing it on???

Personally I can see the theory on a Carby car how it could work, On an EFI i cant see it working at all, and wouldnt waste my money on one unless i saw proven results. BUT in saying that, people also say if it made that much difference why wouldn't car manufacturers put them in standard, well toyota do, look inside an 80 series landcruiser intake, there is something very similar to one in there, also if a high flow filter, extractors & exhaust gives better performance and fuel economy, why dont they do that as standard, or the many other things that increase performance or increase fuel economy????

Im not haveing a shot at anyone, nor do i agree or dissagree with that these are ****e, but i would like to hear from someone who has actually tried and tested the product first before making a decision on it.

Simmo · 08-08-2006, 11:23 AM

popular mechanic over in the states just did a test on a bunch of 'fuel savers'.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/1802932.html

charles_wif_xf · 08-08-2006, 01:03 PM

I take anything Popular Mechanics tests or publishes with a grain of salt. Anyone here on the forum tried the product?

paulvdb · 08-08-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

I take anything Popular Mechanics tests or publishes with a grain of salt. Anyone here on the forum tried the product?

So you're saying that a moderately scientific test has less validity than someone saying on the internet "I tried it and it works roolly good"

The test showed that these items are just BS to scam people of their money. The reasons given for possible failure were quite straightforward and sound about 100% right to me.

charles_wif_xf · 08-08-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by paulvdb

So you're saying that a moderately scientific test has less validity than someone saying on the internet "I tried it and it works roolly good"

The test showed that these items are just BS to scam people of their money. The reasons given for possible failure were quite straightforward and sound about 100% right to me.

I read the article and they offered no proof of their claims, for instance dyno sheets and any data recorded during the fuel consumption test; they just quoted numbers with no backing. I have not tried the devices PopSci tested nor the HiClone product and thought that someone on the forum might have had used the HiClone and had data to back up his/her claims, unlike PopSci.

S3SR · 08-08-2006, 01:32 PM

actually the hiclone does work...from what i see and hear

a friend uses it in his 80's model patrol because he towes horses and trailers around... and travels long distance..anyways he says there is an increase in fuel economy and a little more power.. also some guy down the road has one in his VR commodore and well he reckons in a year they should pay them selves off

im gonna try one and they come with a 30 day money back garuntee...

plext · 08-08-2006, 01:44 PM

The power of suggestion is incredibly strong. I have yet to see any test, anywhere, that suggests that any of these devices do anything other than restrict airflow.

It is relatively easy to convince oneself that one has made a sound purchasing desicion, when that is what you want to think. Empirically proving this fact has appeared to elude the purveyors and self convinced users thus far.

I shall remain distinctly sceptical.

Dezza · 08-08-2006, 01:44 PM

I went to to the product information sheet and found this:

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International Awards for Invention

SILVER AWARD
International Exhibition of Ideas & Invention and New Products Germany 1993.

SILVER AWARD
International Invention Exhibition USA 1992.

BRONZE AWARD
20th International Exhibition of Invention & New Techniques & Products Switzerland 1992.

ACADEMIC PRIZE
Inventions Festival Bulgaria 1991

If it didn't work, I doubt it would win these awards.

plext · 08-08-2006, 01:50 PM

Ah yes, it says it on the product sheet. It must therefore be true and unbiased information. They have no vested interest here do they?

I suggest you search for these prestigous awards and conventions. It may be my cynical nature, but I find it odd that most of them, on the whole of the internet are mentioned only in conjunction with this somewhat dubious product.

Ruger · 08-08-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by autickfordfairmont

also if a high flow filter, extractors & exhaust gives better performance and fuel economy, why dont they do that as standard, or the many other things that increase performance or increase fuel economy????

because its alot cheaper and easier to make a cast exhaust manifold rather than a tuned length extractor style system. noise and bottom end torque (which the standard ones do well) is another issue so as far as exhaust manifolds a cast item is a win win situation for manufacturers.
as for cai. id pin it on noise mainly. notice how they put restrictions in almost every cars air intake from factory? thats so granny dont get bothered by engine noise.

Dave_au · 08-08-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ea_silver_ghia

I went to to the product information sheet and found this:
If it didn't work, I doubt it would win these awards.

Do a google search for the name of those awards/convention where the award was issued - all you get is the Hiclone site.

Dezza · 08-08-2006, 01:59 PM

Actually that is a bit suspicious

macman · 08-08-2006, 02:06 PM

My sister bought a Hiclone for her singlepoint EA, and it did actually make a difference, i'll ask her tonight and get some stats. It did increase fule economy a notable amount.

82XD393.3v · 08-08-2006, 02:10 PM

: those awards are for invention not proven producted and im sure if they did work most car manifactures would be using them now
i can remember when peter brock backed some kind of

saver and power increaser that apparently alined atoms or some crap like that back in the 90s maybe he went to the same award shows as they are claiming

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Originally Posted by ea_silver_ghia

I went to to the product information sheet and found this:
If it didn't work, I doubt it would win these awards.

turboute · 08-08-2006, 03:11 PM

Hilarious, just beacuase it restricts airflow, remembering ecu's control air:fuel ratio, who would thought it would save fuel (less air = less fuel)- this makes as much sense as that bloke who put a radioactive plate on his air filter and said the radiation improved fuel economy???WTF????

james22 · 08-08-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by autickfordfairmont

Have you tried one?????

i know the theory behind it, also the theory behind all it is is a blockage in your intake, blah blah blah, but has anyone actually tried and tested one to base there comments such as this on

Hey if you have tried one then great, good to know there ****, but if you havent what are you baseing it on???

the reason i posted it yes. they dont work. i placed a bet with my mate he bought one, chucked it in his au xr6, and we went for a cruise. His car and mine were preety matched for power beforehand but after he installed the hi-clone, he actually lost a decent amount of low down torque, and i could get the jump on him time after time. It ended up costing him more in petrol because he was into it more to get it to move from a standing start

Hardtopxb · 08-08-2006, 04:01 PM

Yes I have tried one (part no UA56 Hole). Got it at a swap meet brand new for $10. I drove from Townsville to Rockhamton with it fitted to a 351 wearing a Holley 780 vs.It was down on power and I used more petrol than usual,about the only positive thing I could say is that it seemed to have a bit more low end torque. It now resides under my kettle when I making a cuppa working in my shed....

ltd · 08-08-2006, 06:12 PM

From an aeronautical standpoint I can tell you that these things are pure BS.
Jet engines have vains or stators as they are correctly called and they serve to wind the air so we can compress it - they are most effective at it. However, it is only a one way thing meaning that for them to work their must be positive pressure from a pump; not a draught from an engine. This is why engines transported on the 5th pod of a wing are blocked with a special nacelle or nose cone, to prevent the air being slowed down as it passes over the engine. In laymans terms, we block these stators off or else they will slow down the airflow by acting like a big sail.

Of course, in jets the compressed air is ignited and expands at an explosive rate, pushed over the turbines and drives the engine, ancilliaries, compressor discs and fan (all mechanically, not through sucking) - different to a reciprocating or piston engine.

Anyway, what I mean from the above is that you will be able to do the exact same thing as the hiclone by effectively sticking a rolled up football sock in front of your maf sensor, as all they both do is slow down the airflow and cause your car to run rich. (this is where the gullible think they have improved power)
If you don't believe me, get a coke can and fashion one of these ridiculous devices yourself.
If you really want to have an effect on your vehicles breathing in order to gain power and mileage, you have to put positive pressure on the airflow - Force feed it. This is done either with a turbo or supercharger. I'd also recommend doing a larger exhaust, better filter and any other way you can allow the engine to breath better. As for CAI, yes it matters at 38000 feet but at sea level, there really isn't much in it.

ltd · 08-08-2006, 06:16 PM

BTW, the only way to improved fuel economy is by making the mix a little leaner. The Hiclone and other BS devices make the rich mixer, which is coincidentally why so many here have complained about increased fuel consumption.
If I still haven't convinced you then I would like to ask your opinion in the Bill Gates will give you US$20,000 to pass this email on to your friends; or better yet, call Amway because it's no longer a pyramid, it's more like a trapezoid.

XD 351 Ute · 08-08-2006, 06:23 PM

I fitted one to one of my apprentices' Hilux about 6 weeks ago, fully aware of the fact that these types of things are a bit of hocus pocus.
However that was only my opinion.
He's happy with it, and reckon's that he's getting better mileage, but I'm yet to see the figures!!

Ed