Ba XR6T on P's in Vic??

[Fev]

Originally Posted by 90sFTW

If you are a probationary driver and obtained your licence after 1 July 2007, you can't drive a vehicle with:

* An engine of eight or more cylinders
* A turbocharged or supercharged engine
* Certain high performance six cylinder engines
* An engine that has been modified to increase the vehicle's performance.

If they get caught driving any of these vehicles, they’ll have to pay a fine ($1100) and you’ll receive three demerit points.

Vehicles excluded from these restrictions...

* Turbocharged or supercharged diesel powered cars (without engine performance modifications)
* Nominated vehicles with low powered turbocharged or supercharged engines, including Suzuki Cappucino 2D Cabriolet Turbo 3 cylinder 689cc, Daihatsu Copen L880 2D Convertible 4 cylinder 659cc
* All models of the Smart car, produced by Mercedes Benz.
* Vehicles driven as a part of the driver’s employment and at the request of the employer.


Thats some of the new rules that apply if you get your Ps after July 1st 2007, in 2008:

P1 drivers will only be able to carry one passenger aged 16-21 years. This means that P1 drivers will not be allowed to carry multiple passengers between 16 to 21 years of age.

Sucks ey? Couldn't you just buy a normal BA Falcon and then save up for a full turbo kit while you are on your Ps then have it fitted when you are off? Or is it way more complicated than that?

Those rules apply to NSW, not VIC.. or did they change them in the last coupla months and scrapped the better, power/weight ratio bans?

[ULOOK2]

I've heard many people say that insurance will take your money but not make a process a claim if you have an accident but a mate wrote off his VU SS on his p's 18months ago and insurance paid out no worries.

[MitchG]

Originally Posted by daveyf

p.s. I am also legally allowed to drive the T due to an exception from VicRoads that i require the car for work purposes

can you please explain how this works?

[dom_105]

Originally Posted by Fev

Those rules apply to NSW, not VIC.. or did they change them in the last coupla months and scrapped the better, power/weight ratio bans?

Power/Weight and Capacity/Weight still applies if you got your license before July 2007.

If you got your license after July 2007 but before July 2008, then it's straight out no V8's, turbo's.

If you are getting your license after July 2008 then (obviously) you will be subject to the new restrictions.

[Shaggzy]

Originally Posted by ULOOK2

I've heard many people say that insurance will take your money but not make a process a claim if you have an accident but a mate wrote off his VU SS on his p's 18months ago and insurance paid out no worries.

The new power restriction rule was not in 18 months ago....

[boss-290]

How are you P platers affording these cars?

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by boss-290

How are you P platers affording these cars?

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Too much money to burn these days, generous parents or just hefty loans and years of debt.

I've seen two BA XR6 Turbos sell recently. Both manuals. One went for $13,500 and the other one went for $14,600. Both had 200,000kms.

I thought I was rather chop when I got my BA in early 2005, with the head turns etc. I was one of few p platers in a BA, but they're everywhere now. I was lucky though and bought it as a repairable write off (only had 10,000kms). Fixed it up all myself and had it for 3 years.

I still wonder how all these kids get these cars though.

[MitchG]

you can get a decent BA XR6T for around 20k-25k even cheaper depending on its condition & K's, but its really not a massive amount for a young adult with a steady well paying job & not to many other commitments.
Granted there are alot of spoiled kids who are lucky enough & their perants have brought them a new car. but for alot of other young people they have to work hard & save. But for a young car enthusiast who is after the car they love, 25K is not an unachievable goal!

[ULOOK2]

Originally Posted by Shaggzy

The new power restriction rule was not in 18 months ago....

Yeh there was it wasnt just a no V8 rule it was based on power to weight ratio so you could still drive some v8's but not a GEN3 SS

[boss-290]

Originally Posted by MitchG

you can get a decent BA XR6T for around 20k-25k even cheaper depending on its condition & K's, but its really not a massive amount for a young adult with a steady well paying job & not to many other commitments.
Granted there are alot of spoiled kids who are lucky enough & their perants have brought them a new car. but for alot of other young people they have to work hard & save. But for a young car enthusiast who is after the car they love, 25K is not an unachievable goal!

I think you're living in a dream world.

The only way to get a car worth that amount is either through finance or their parents have put up the cash.

[MitchG]

Originally Posted by boss-290

I think you're living in a dream world.

The only way to get a car worth that amount is either through finance or their parents have put up the cash.

you could get a finance loan, but you could also save half & get a loan for half...

how many people buy a car straight cash anyway, unless its cheap...

i got alot of mates in trade type jobs,electricians,carpenters all in there early 20's earning 50K+ a year, why is it so hard to belive young people can make good money...

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by MitchG

why is it so hard to belive young people can make good money...

Because young people (myself included) are big spenders ;) Look at how much goes on grog, smokes, clubbing and other harmful things every weekend.

[MitchG]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Because young people (myself included) are big spenders ;) Look at how much goes on grog, smokes, clubbing and other harmful things every weekend.

Very true, but not every body choses to get on the grog every weekend & go clubbing & blow all there pay on useless junk. some chose to work hard & save for a goal weather its a house or a car etc. & not every one relies on their parents for financial support...

[Redrum]

In Victoria you cannot drive an XR6 Turbo on P Plates. Power to weight ratio too high for those P plate drivers who got their licenses before July 1st 2007 and those after are not allowed to drive Turbos (Unless TD)

[scottmeister]

I find it very irritating when people immediately assume that parents have shelled out or you've gotten a big loan you can't afford to pay off. I'm sure that is the case with some, but for me and the many others who work bloody hard, it's insulting. P platers with a good work ethic and determination do exist. : Like someone else said, I have many mates who are 19-22yo, and some make alot more than the average income, that's for sure.

Anyway, I don't see the point of a turbo right now. I like to keep my insurance void-free, and when I drive by the boys in blue I don't even give half a second to worrying about whether they'll pull me up, do me for being in a high powered vehicle, then go over the car and all it's mods and proceed to ream me. But when I turn 21, boy oh boy, that day...there will be some serious RWKW

[swapper]

i spent that much on a car when i was 20.....no loans, and no parents putting up the cash.....it happens

[stockel]

Originally Posted by boss-290

I think you're living in a dream world.

The only way to get a car worth that amount is either through finance or their parents have put up the cash.

Are you serious? If they were as tight as me and on the average wage they could buy a car of that amount outright after one year.

[stiddy]

What happens if you had your Green P's since 2004.. but got disqualified in 2006 for 12months, and got your licence back in 2008?
Had licence for a few years before the new laws, lost licence, then got it back after the laws, Do the new laws apply?
Friend is in this scenario and is curious as he gets his licence back this friday and drives an SV8 VY.

[colossus]

Originally Posted by stockel

An insurance companies job is to take your money very happily and then find any way possible not to give it back (pay a claim).
....

Exactly - Falcon Coupe is correct in saying you need to read the fine print i.e. Duty of Disclosure. Yes they will happily give you insurance, when you crash ect. they will deny your claim as you are unlicensed for that vehicle class in Vic (i.e. turbo). Its exactly the same as someone without a bike license trying to insure a motorbike - they will take your money but when you stack they will check your license and no money will be forthcoming.

[stefmx]

I live in Vic, drive an xr6 turbo ute. Im a carpenter so i use it for work. Insurance covers me, even made sure by saying to them on the phone "am i definatly covered to drive this vehicle being a P plater", she said yes definatly, and seeing as there calls are recorded i assume ill have no troubles. I am on the new P laws too.. red Ps, got my licence november 08...

[XA-MONT]

i would make sure i get that in writing if i was you. phone conversations dont count for , they would just say that she wasnt autherised to make such a call.

[Kawasakirider]

Originally Posted by Parfrey

even if you got your P's before all the new rules came in.

I don't know about victoria, but I'm on my red P's in QLD. I am on some new laws, but I know for a fact that the people on the old laws only have to abide by the laws that were in place at the time they took their test. E.g, they don't have to wear P plates, have no power restrictions etc.

[DJM83]

Why cant people just wait im not that old (26) and i waited to get a V8 as have a lot of other people.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Why cant people just wait im not that old (26) and i waited to get a V8 as have a lot of other people.

Because Dallas some people believe they can have what ever they want regardless of the laws.. some people think they know better, just like the p plater who killed his 2 passengers last night when he wasn't allowed to be carrying them....

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by stefmx

I live in Vic, drive an xr6 turbo ute. Im a carpenter so i use it for work. Insurance covers me, even made sure by saying to them on the phone "am i definatly covered to drive this vehicle being a P plater", she said yes definatly, and seeing as there calls are recorded i assume ill have no troubles. I am on the new P laws too.. red Ps, got my licence november 08...

You don't have a leg to stand on if you're involved in an accident.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Because Dallas some people believe they can have what ever they want regardless of the laws.. some people think they know better, just like the p plater who killed his 2 passengers last night when he wasn't allowed to be carrying them....

Spot on mate. Ill admit that im one of 'those' that wants everything yesterday but iam smart enough to realise there is a line that i will not cross. Even though i wasnt restricted as to what car i could have when i was on my p plates i was smart enough to stay away from 'those' cars.