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01-09-2009, 09:27 PM | #1 | |||
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Fi.ES.TA -- what you have said below from the other thread, I didn't want to hijack the other thread any further, but I find driving auto boring (no offence, to the auto drivers once again) but driving in manual, I find it more fun to drive :evil3:
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01-09-2009, 09:44 PM | #2 | ||
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I learnt to drive in Europe and autos are not common over there at all. I much prefer manuals for small cars, but find I prefer autos for the bigger cars and suv's. My fez is manual and I agree, it is more fun in a manual, but everyone is different and each to their own I guess.
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01-09-2009, 09:53 PM | #3 | |||
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I reckon, germany people didnt even care about autos : my bad. And yeah, better off in bigger cars in auto but rare to see in manual such as these Falcons, si?
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01-09-2009, 09:53 PM | #4 | ||
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Give me a manual any day of the week. Manuals you really have to drive, autos you're just along for the ride, pushing the stop & go pedals.
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01-09-2009, 09:54 PM | #5 | ||
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I like manuals. The Fiesta has a decent manual, the shift could be smoother and less clunky to accept gears, and a shorter shift would be wonderful (this gets fixed in two weeks) but it just seems more logical to me to drive a manual. The Fiesta has been given a horrible combo in terms of the auto. The 1.4L isn't a bad engine, and the four-speed auto is decent also, but together they let the package down. Bring on the 6-Speed DSG mated to a Ecoboost 1.4L with awesome fuel economy! But in saying all this, when you get a great auto they truly are wonderful. Driving an FG with the ZF 6-Speed auto shames most other gear boxes. The combo of torque rich engine and smooth transmission is seemless and pure extacy for a Ford man like myself. I'd buy an auto Falcon over the manual, but it's a different story with small cars. Europe agrees with me here, as only 10% of Fiestas sold in the UK are autos. America on the other hand loves autos. Each to their own, they both have pros and cons.
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01-09-2009, 09:59 PM | #6 | ||
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Interesting discussion here, people..
Rapid Typhoon, you sure have a valid point here. No wonder Americans likes to drive in autos, perhaps New York City is too much for them in manual? :P If I were buying Ford G6E, I'd go on auto since I test drove one to Sydney and I loved it, though does 6 speed auto is too much, no?
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01-09-2009, 10:53 PM | #7 | ||
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I hate small autos. You have to work them so much harder. They usually have terrible economy compared with small manuals.
On the other hand, our 3.5 litre auto magna is great despite its age. Smooth acceleration and gear changes and reasonable grunt. The magna has an adaptive box as well and learns your driving habits, so it's a joy. A realxing drive for family trips. |
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02-09-2009, 08:19 AM | #8 | |||
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02-09-2009, 12:57 PM | #10 | ||
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I suspect that the 1.6L engine just can't fit in with auto trans. I really don't think 1.4L engine is that cheaper to build compare with 1.6L.
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02-09-2009, 01:43 PM | #11 | ||
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Plus cars with auto tranny are more expensive than the manual.
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02-09-2009, 02:20 PM | #12 | |||
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As for the auto debate. Ford Europe only have an auto calibrated with 1.4L. There is no other auto in the lineup. That is until Ford US finish their ECOboost 1.4L/1.6L engine with 6-Speed DSG auto. We should see a decent combo around 2010/11 when the Fiesta gets its facelift.
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02-09-2009, 02:34 PM | #13 | |||
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02-09-2009, 06:57 PM | #15 | ||
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Never really driven an auto. Except DSG Golf GTI and GT Diesel :evil3:
They are the only autos i think i would enjoy, as they're like manuals virtually anyway... but you still don't have to manually shift the gear-stick i guess. learnt to drive in first a 68' beetle, then a gen-IV 2.0L golf, that had the easiest manual change in world, and there's something to be said by learning to drive manual, i reckon you learn more about traffic flow, how to get out of situations etc... but each to their own of course, i happened to be lucky that the golf manual was a dream to use, and i realise driving manual for some people is a little hairy. It depends on the person, but i think if you want to drive small cars properly (i.e. keenly), you need a manual hands down... :eclipsee_ I knew there was a perfect thread for that icon!!!
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02-09-2009, 10:33 PM | #16 | |||
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03-09-2009, 01:06 PM | #17 | |||
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03-09-2009, 03:43 PM | #18 | ||
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doctamick, it dose make a sense if it relates with carbon emission. That's quite possilbe.
But I really doubt the if "1.6L auto" consume significantly more fuel than this 1.4L auto to make any tax difference, as the load on this 1.4L engine is much higher than 1.6 (less power/torque, need to work harder). Like Yaris, the fuel consumption difference between 1.3L and 1.5L is only 0.1L/100km. I don't know whether it is engineering issue or Euro emssion legislation, it is just my guess. |
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03-09-2009, 04:31 PM | #19 | |||
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03-09-2009, 06:27 PM | #20 | ||
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No one in Europe buys Auto small cars, and if they do they are stung by high taxes as Auto small cars consume more fuel putting them in a higher tax bracket. But simply, no need to make an Auto on every engine when it won't sell.
Like Ive said many times, we have to wait for the Americans who are making a 6-Speed DSG. Europe may not like small Auto cars, but the Americans will lap them up. We will get this around 2011/12.
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04-09-2009, 11:26 AM | #21 | |||
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04-09-2009, 08:54 PM | #22 | |||
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I think you'll grow to like it. In saying that, although I copped crap for buying a near new WP Fiesta Zetec for my first car it was a great car that I liked. Everyone thought it was a waste of money, should have gotten a crapbox bla bla bla. But my car was reliable, fuel efficient and a hoot to drive. But most of all it was what I wanted, within budget and I loved it. I guess the rule here is buy what you truly want, not what your parents want. As long as it's somewhat reasonable and not a stupid purchace, like getting an XR6 Turbo for your first car, not being able to pay the fuel bill let alone the repayments, and wrapping it around a tree! And because you were so broke you didn't get insurance! True story (not me).
Bit late to mention the first bit though hey?
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04-09-2009, 09:38 PM | #24 | |||
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I was looking at manual BA Falcons, then this nice EL XR6, nothing too powerful, one stage a JZA80 Toyota Supra or a 1996 Nissan 300ZX but the insurance was a fair bit too high for me, I can't afford $3500 a year for comp insurance. The thing is, getting a car you don't want means you wont respect it, even if you spent your own hard earned on it, which ultimately means you're going to be doing stupid things in it. I predict that I'll be selling this thing, shorter than my P plate period and taking a nice punch to the face on depreciation. |
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05-09-2009, 10:44 AM | #26 | ||
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I am also stunned why you would buy a car that you clearly hate
and cant wait to be shut of.The mind boggles.
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05-09-2009, 08:38 PM | #27 | ||
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To shut my parents up, they're always on my back about getting a new car, they wouldn't drive me to dealerships or private sellers who were happy for me to check out the cars they had.
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05-09-2009, 10:18 PM | #28 | ||
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I wish i'd brought the cheap but good little car, and kept it for a few years, when I look back to when I was younger. Coulda brought a new SS or XR8 easily with the money i'd have saved a few years later. (ie $2500 a year insurance, 10-15k mods like engine, suspension, stereo, mags etc etc)
You cant tell em though... He'll have to learn the hard way like most of us did. So hurry up and sell it dude, so you can put your cash into a money pit. Been there done that. |
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05-09-2009, 11:36 PM | #29 | ||
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It depends. Buying a $3000 car can work for you and against you. I spent $15000 on my WP Zetec which is a load (to me anyway) for a 17 year old. But in saying that I worked my freaking *** of to pay it off (had a $7000 deposit saved) and it was reliable, cheap to run and insure. Not to mention safe, I'm a massive supporter of ABS brakes which I would not have had on the other cars I looked at. In the time most my mates were onto their third or fifth I still had my WP, that was paid off.
Everyones different I suppose. You just gotta have your mind set on the bigger plan and not just a few months. That and prepair
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