AFL Grand Final: St. Kilda v Geelong - Page 5

Cobra · 02-10-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Sorry for the late reply but been away from the puter for a week.

Well done Geelong but i dont think they won anything.

Unfortunately there is a new hidden stat that is deciding games....unpaid free's.
And as they dont get counted it can be manipulated unlike free's for and against.
The stats from that game showed free's for both sides almost even at the end of the game, but the whistle went away at half time and blatant holding the ball/ incorrect disposal decisions were left unpaid.
When you tackle as well as Stkilda do, holding the ball decisions usually come your way.

Dont believe me, believe Luke Darcy, who stated in the 1HD telecast at the end of the game that it was definately umpired in two halves and that he believed someone spoke to the umpires at half time and told them to let stuff slide.
BTW, he's on the rules commitee, so i think his opinion counts.

Geelong were able to take more chances as holding the ball/incorrect disposal wasn't hurting them as it did early.

Teams have been winning games for years with scoring inaccuracies, all of a sudden it is a big issue.

If I remember correctly, St Kilda got one of the worst holding the ball decisions I've ever seen paid to them when David Wojcinsci was pinged for holding the ball. The second he was tackled he got rid of it, yet he was pinged holding the ball. Sure he had prior op, but then he proceeded to dispose of the ball correctly the instant he was tackled. The player was rewarded just for making the tackle, which IMO is wrong.

The tackle benefited St Kilda in the way that it stopped his run, which gave St Kilda a chance to turn the ball over. It's up to the player under pressure to decide how he reacts, and the decision that he makes is usually the determing factor in whether he's pinged or not. Tackling like any other aspect of the game is a pre requesit. How well you do it determines how good a player you are. But being rewarded just for doing it, negates any benefit of being good or not.

Trevor 57 · 02-10-2009, 12:33 PM

Geelong didn't win, St.Kilda lost.

peachey80 · 02-10-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

Geelong didn't win, St.Kilda lost.

which resulted in Geelong winning ???????

Trevor 57 · 02-10-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by peachey80

which resulted in Geelong winning ???????

No, it resulted in Geelong given a Grand Final result by a team who can't kick (under pressure) for shlt.

Lane351 · 02-10-2009, 01:08 PM

St Kilda cant play Grand finals footy too much pressure for them

TS50 · 02-10-2009, 01:24 PM

sorry that is wrong
if Geelong wernt there putting the pressure on St Kilda, St Kilda would have won
As it is a 2 horse race, Geelong won, St Kilda lost
In the end of the day If St Kilda scored in the last quarter, instead of playing keepings off, they prob would have won, much more to the game than poor kicking at goal
Again, I am no a supporter of either team, was 6 of one, and half a dozen of the other who won in my mind, but being a footy supporter, I say Geelong won

ToxikXR6 · 02-10-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lane351

St Kilda cant play Grand finals footy too much pressure for them

if they come back next year and play a grand final they will be more prepared for what is expected and the pressure that the other team will be putting on them.

Geelong had that GF experience before, knew what was ahead and prepared in a way they knew was best for them.

peachey80 · 02-10-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

No, it resulted in Geelong given a Grand Final result by a team who can't kick (under pressure) for shlt.

Given it, earnt it, who cares, we still got it. I can't be bothered argueing.
StKilda played very much the same as Geelong last year, and walked away disappointed. As rooey said in his speech, boys, bottle this disappointment up and use it next year as motivation or something to that effect, which I'm certain they will and bounce back hard.
They need to f*@k off milne, he can't kick for shlt under pressure or not.

Chin up and spit out those sour grapes.

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ToxikXR6 · 02-10-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by peachey80

Given it, earnt it, who cares, we still got it. I can't be bothered argueing.
StKilda played very much the same as Geelong last year, and walked away disappointed. As rooey said in his speech, boys, bottle this disappointment up and use it next year as motivation or something to that effect, which I'm certain they will and bounce back hard.
They need to f*@k off milne, he can't kick for shlt under pressure or not.

Chin up and spit out those sour grapes.

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or as Bomber said "footy sucks sometimes.."

-only for Saints supporters

gtxb67 · 02-10-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Dont believe me, believe Luke Darcy

i may or may not have agreed with you, but as soon as i read this you lost me
if darcy says it, it is invariably wrong - at least he is a better commentator than footballer - but then he drives race cars better than he commentates

BENT_8 · 02-10-2009, 10:56 PM

Lol...carn guys no need to get all uptight.
I'm not a supporter of either team, i just happen to back the underdog when my teams out.
I certainly dont care who was handed the silverware, i just called it how i saw it.
As for Darcy, well im not a fan of his but i think if you get a seat on the rules committee, you should have some idea whats going on.
I seem to remember Wallsy or one of the others agreeing with him though.
I guess they are clueless too?

Hey, IMO Geelong 'deserved' it as they have been the yard stick for 3 years, they have a super list with heaps of experience.
St Kilda was a deer in the spotlights.

What i dont get is this 'great' team thing which is thrown around all too often.
In todays football cycle teams are expected to peak for a 'window' and then rebuild.
Taking advantage of your 'window' does not make a great team, just a successful team.

Bossxr8 · 02-10-2009, 11:54 PM

I wouldn't go on Robert Walls comment, he despises Geelong. Just about everything he says about them is negative.

I don't know what he has against them, maybe something happened when he was coaching Carlton?

vztrt · 03-10-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I wouldn't go on Robert Walls comment, he despises Geelong. Just about everything he says about them is negative.

I don't know what he has against them, maybe something happened when he was coaching Carlton?

Walls hate every team, and is always negative (unless its Carlton). But he talks alot because he was rubbish at being a coach.

Geez Louise · 03-10-2009, 06:13 PM

Grandfinal is soooo last weeks news.

Now it is over with.....BRING ON THE DRAG SEASON!!!

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uranium_death · 03-10-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Walls hate every team, and is always negative (unless its Carlton). But he talks alot because he was rubbish at being a coach.

I wouldn't mind being a Premiership coach...
He got Fitzroy into the finals when they were cash-strapped, as they were so often.
Also, he helped the Bears form a list that wasn't just rejects from other clubs...
Name anybody who has remotely succeeded at Richmond since Francis Bourke in 1982?

Walls was okay...

But he does love Carlton...