Manual vs Shiftkit

[4Vman]

Depends on your type of driving, if you're into drag racing an auto is better but if you want 100% control of your engine and vehicle than manual is the only way to go.
On a track an auto won't allow you to get the best from the car or engine, and can be a handfull due to the converter flairing or the auto down/upshifting at the wrong time etc, you will also work the brakes harder with an auto.
But in traffic or cruising an auto is more relaxing.

[ratter]

Full manual auto allows you to control the auto as you want, you have to change gears, the auto will not do it for you, just like a manual just no clutch to worry about, the only drama is it's only a 3 speed

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by ratter

Full manual auto allows you to control the auto as you want, you have to change gears, the auto will not do it for you, just like a manual just no clutch to worry about, the only drama is it's only a 3 speed

A manualised auto is fine on the upshift but the converter still kills its ability to maintain and progressively apply even power when you're on and off the throttle allot in corner situations, it also reduces the "engine braking" ability of the motor and the reduced number of ratio's is also a negative, it really comes down to what you want from the vehicle.

[Casper]

Heres a first, I actually agree with 4Vman on something 100%. On the race track an auto, of any kind, will never match a manual.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Casper

Heres a first, I actually agree with 4Vman on something 100%. On the race track an auto, of any kind, will never match a manual.

Come on mate! you know we agree on more than that! :

[Casper]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Come on mate! you know we agree on more than that! :

Maybe... but I'm a sceptic :P

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by damo351

for quicker take offs, the Auto is by far the better option, as the torque converter multiplys torque at take off (this don't mean better power over all, just at take off)

Also depends on the gearing. 1st in a T5 is waaay shorter than my BTR's 1st :S

110kph in 1st = doughy takeoff

[TICK4D]

I have the tip tronic in my TS50, and I would never get another auto.
It's all about the sound for me, the manual craps on the auto, I actually feel embaressed to drive the auto. As for take off, I don't think the auto is much better at all. For me, unless it's a drag only car, Auto's are grandpa cars.

[xr8ute]

Originally Posted by TICK4D

I have the tip tronic in my TS50, and I would never get another auto

the tiptronic (aka ESS) is still an auto gearbox i.e. no clutch

[KeeddleZ]

auto with stall, full manual valve body and reverse shift pattern, ull never beat it its like driving a manual without the hassel of a clutch and snaps into gear twice as hard as any manual if done right

[FPVWEPN]

[QUOTE=loxxr6
Then there's the worry that you'll do a clutch when you put some power through it....and that ain't easy to fix. It seems an auto is a lot less drama.[/QUOTE]

Clutch is easy to fix mate
A blown auto however is a much more costly expense

[Mechan1k]

I love manual .... it's fun on the open road and the twisties as well.

But have done for auto cos of courier work in Sydney ... manual sucks in traffic in the city and carrying load ... also auto is much better for towing as well.

[ProjectXR]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Depends on your type of driving, if you're into drag racing an auto is better but if you want 100% control of your engine and vehicle than manual is the only way to go.
On a track an auto won't allow you to get the best from the car or engine, and can be a handfull due to the converter flairing or the auto down/upshifting at the wrong time etc, you will also work the brakes harder with an auto.
But in traffic or cruising an auto is more relaxing.

I agree with 4vman on this one

btw: i drive/prefer manual :

[JD86]

i like manual, but have an auto, i am gettin the auto rebuilt soon, and was wondering how much a shift kit is? i have no knowledge about shift kits at all, so any help would be appreciated

cheers
josh

[Stav]

To beat a manual you need a hi stall torque convertern an auto and if you want to take it further a really hard shift kit

[xr8ute]

Originally Posted by useless

To beat a manual you need a hi stall torque convertern an auto and if you want to take it further a really hard shift kit

Yep...its hard making up for that super tall first gear in the standard 4-speed auto. The new 6 speed ZF auto is a different story again though, it looks absolutely awesome.

But nothing beats a manual for circuit racing or spirited mountain drives ;)

[Stav]

I think an auto has the advantage of torque mutiplication over the manual.But the manual gives an extra 10-15 rwkws on the same motor.I suppose its what your used to.

[TICK4D]

Originally Posted by xr8ute

the tiptronic (aka ESS) is still an auto gearbox i.e. no clutch

Well that would b why I said I would never get another auto. : :togo:

[big_waity]

I think Steffo said it all!

[eb91xr6]

Manual All the Way i have an auto and it sucks. My mate has a manul and so much better to drive.

[xr8ute]

Originally Posted by TICK4D

Well that would b why I said I would never get another auto. : :togo:

Oops : ...missread what you where saying. Sorry about that.

[LowEL2XR8]

Manual for me only because autos suck too many kilowatts from the rear wheels.

[RUKIDN]

Another manual here!! after going from the auto EA box to the 5speed EB : it wouldnt bother me if i never had a auto again! but yes everyone's right manual + busy traffic sux **** but the other 99% of the time its all fun and games! :eclipsee_