Aussies dead in Shot down plane crash over Ukraine.

[BHDOGS]

what does sending in aussie cops have to do with killing idiot separatists.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

No.

Why are you asking me ?

I don't want to get in to a drawn out crap fight but you said .....

Regardless these buffoons and morons need to be brought to justice.

All I was pointing out was....

And do you think a bunch of Aussie Coppers will fix it, or the Aussie Gov wanting to send in armed Aussie's to secure the site, are we that stupid....???
These guy have been fighting it out for longer than Aus was on the map ffs.......

Get it ??

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

I don't want to get in to a drawn out crap fight but you said .....



All I was pointing out was....



Get it ??

No.

That's up to the UN.

Get it ?

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

No.

That's up to the UN.

Get it ?

No i don't, spell it out genius......c'mon.....???

[nstg8a]

While I do believe the pro Russians probably did shoot it down, either by accident or deliberately, I certainly wouldn't put it past the Ukrainians to have done it either.

As said many times, Ukraine cannot go toe to toe with the Russian military, if Russia decides it's had enough it will simply take Ukraine.

Ukraines only real option is to turn world opinion against Russia, and what's the perfect way to do that? Kill a few hundred innocents, and blame it on them.

There's certainly plenty of things, from both sides, that don't add up.

As for the Aussie cops going in, quite frankly il be surprised if there's no incident involving them. They're going in unarmed, into a long running unstable conflict.
I know they have Ukraine permission to go in, but that area is still majority held by pro Russians. And they don't care much for Ukraine orders.

[BHDOGS]

Ofcourse they dont there paid by russia so thats who they take orders from like when they shoot down airplanes with russian made weaponry murdering aussie citizens.

[UberKnee]

The focus really shouldn't be put on the Aussies that died, people died regardless of nationality. Just makes it seem like only the dead Aussies matter.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

No i don't, spell it out genius......c'mon.....???

I'm no genius

But the United Nations need to sort this out and bring the perpetrators to justice.

Our Aussie victims deserve that, so do their families.

You seem to be looking for an argument. Good luck to you - look else where.

Thanks for your support.

[cheap]

I wouldn't be holding my breath for the UN to sort anything out, they're too busy writing fictional nonsense convincing fools that they know the secrets to controlling the weather.

The UN is a sick joke, justice and the UN are two mutually exclusive terms, the UN is a closed boys club where the permanent members do what they want with immunity.

Respect for nations sovereignty yeah right ! Best we can do is respect our dead, offer condolences and support to those effected. Sure the AFP will gather the evidence but handing it over to the UN is like asking the Keystone cops to do something worthwhile. Besides at the end of the day Russia can/will veto any thing it doesn't agree with...

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Damn straight. Government and media said that this happened, therefore it did happen, no questions asked. We know these two groups never lie or mislead people.

I'm not supporting any conspiracy theory. But I don't think people should just believe the first thing they here, just because someone said it on the TV. Especially when things about the story don't add up once you look a bit deeper into it.
To be honest I haven't looked into the Malaysian airways problems recently. So I have no opinion. I am not going to write someone off as a nut job, conspiracy moron just because they believe something different to what was reported on the TV.

How about an argument from the other side?

If you have some time, read this article that a few on my facebook have been re-sharing: Busted! MH17 was in fact lost flight MH370.

Basically, whats being said here (by use of some exclusive proof photos, and photos supposedly photoshopped before hitting the news networks) is that the shot down plane purported to be working the MH17 route that day (tail number 9M - MRD), was actually 9M - MRO of MH370 fame.

They trundle out some pictures which compare a specific window near the forward fuselage door which was apparently blanked out on RO (MH370) and not blanked out on RD (MH17). When the photos were released to the media, mysteriously, the photos of the blanked out window were photoshopped to re-instate the window as per the apparent configuration of RD (to which the authors of this article claim to be the "smoking gun").

To support their theory, they show photos of both aircraft taken in happier times, and what do you know!? It seems that they're correct! 9M-MRO has a blanked out window forward of the forward entrance, and 9M-MRD has a normal window! WTFAMAZEBALLZOMG!????!!!!!!11111!!

HOWEVER.......

A photo search on airliners.net (a very large database of airline photographs), debunks this theory beyond doubt. A simple search of the tail number of 9M-MRD (MH17) reveals that over the life of this aircraft, the airframe was painted no less than three times. When it was first delivered to MH in the late 90's, it indeed had that little lone window underneath the Malay flag, forward of the cabin door as per this photo taken in 2003 -> Click Here

However, further reasearch reveals that sometime around 2005, MRD was painted in a blue "Freedom of Space" theme as per this photo -> Click Here

For a few years, this scheme remained on MRD, until MH dropped the Freedom of Space tag, and re-instated the normal MH Livery.. And whaddya know? That small window forward of the door and under the flag? It too has been blanked out - JUST like the one on 9M-MRO (MH370)

Here is the most recent photo of MRD on the corresponding side taken in turkey last year -> Click Here

So of course, tables turned, you're right, it does pay to not take everything you hear as gospel straight off. Its unfair to prey on the gullible and misinformed to create clickbait and social media frenzy. I wonder how many people have read this and assume beyond doubt that this website has solved both mysteries? Puh-lease.

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Calm ya farm dude, I was just throwing a suggestion out there. Geez

Wasn't having a shot at you at all so I apologise if it came across that way. There are some chooks flapping round in the top shed on this farm.

Just having a shot at all (not just AFF) who just auto think its not whats in front of them, it's gotta be something else, what other reason is there other than someone effed up and shot a civilian plane out of the sky?

[Fordman1]

I think anyone with freaky conspiracy theories should start another thread.

People on MH 17 where not on MH370, and are not transported dead bodies.

[metalmania]

So who is stalling the investigation now ?...Interesting

http://www.theage.com.au/world/kiev-...728-zxi1o.html

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

I think anyone with freaky conspiracy theories should start another thread.

People on MH 17 where not on MH370, and are not transported dead bodies.

If its on the internet then its true. Over the conspiracy rubbish. It is offensive to those involved by alive and dead.

A web site called "Humansarefree" ...... yep. Plenty of cred there!

[Ruination]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

If its on the internet then its true. Over the conspiracy rubbish. It is offensive to those involved by alive and dead.

A web site called "Humansarefree" ...... yep. Plenty of cred there!

To be honest mate, how can you believe any media whatsoever??
Media is all privately owned, or Government funded. Nothing to stop anyone fabricating the truth.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

If its on the internet then its true. Over the conspiracy rubbish. It is offensive to those involved by alive and dead.

A web site called "Humansarefree" ...... yep. Plenty of cred there!

Or do we believe the BS Rupert Murdoch wants to make everyone believe?

Conspiracy Theorists and Rupert Murdoch and his news papers/media as bad as each other.

Wouldn't even wipe my *** with a news paper.

[cram_it_frog]

This is becoming a total farce inspection teams cannot get to the crash site due to increase of fighting with rockets and rifle fire all over,

when are they going to say ok time to stop and let the inspection teams in and get the job done

The report is in from the black box sudden decompression from rocket fire uild

Here is the thing in one or two year this country will be asking for aid to help rebuild the mess there have created so we say now if you do not help us now we will not help in the time to rebuild

[cheap]

Reading between the lines regarding the fighting, it appears the separatists may have been cut loose by the Russians and are now solely fighting the Ukrainian army. Of course this would be news derived from a Murdoch newspaper and will obviously be wrong

If as unbelievable as it may be that a Murdoch newspaper is accurately reporting news (more sarcasm in case a few missed it) , then there is a likelihood that the crash site may become secure soon and investigators allowed to move in.

[My poor XF]

I think its a tad naive to expect a country in the grips of a full blown civil war to be in anyway helpful with this investigation.

And whilst the plane being shot down is a tragedy, we have an entire country is being torn apart by war and all everyone seems to focus on is this one event...

[Franco Cozzo]

Interview with rebel leader by the BBC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEv8jVAqLg

Of course he is denying they had BUK.

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

This is becoming a total farce inspection teams cannot get to the crash site due to increase of fighting with rockets and rifle fire all over,

when are they going to say ok time to stop and let the inspection teams in and get the job done

The report is in from the black box sudden decompression from rocket fire uild

Here is the thing in one or two year this country will be asking for aid to help rebuild the mess there have created so we say now if you do not help us now we will not help in the time to rebuild

It is a war zone, can you guarantee "safety" in a war?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Interview with rebel leader by the BBC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEv8jVAqLg

Of course he is denying they had BUK.



It is a war zone, can you guarantee "safety" in a war?

Russian Puppet, he admits he's Russian, why is he in the Ukraine ?

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Russian Puppet, he admits he's Russian, why is he in the Ukraine ?

Because its 2014 and people are allowed to travel.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Because its 2014 and people are allowed to travel.

Yeah.

We had a holiday in Europe recently, but I'm no self determined Prime minister in another country.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Russian Puppet, he admits he's Russian, why is he in the Ukraine ?

A lot of Ukrainians consider themselves Russian. Hence civil war...

[UberKnee]

This whole situation comes about due to there being large numbers of Russians in the Ukraine and the Ukraine formerly being a Russian territory or whatever the word is.

[Franco Cozzo]

Eastern Ukranians see themselves as Russian and Western Ukranians see themselves as Ukranians and part of Europe, not the USSR the east wants to be back under.

(Mind you per capita income of Ukranians was 20% higher in 1990 toward the end of the USSR than what it is today under democracy and having their own country).

[cheap]

Not a very smart move, it would have been much better to keep Putin's daughter "safe" in the Netherlands whilst our team investigated the crash site...

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-fal...726-zx3op.html