Car Parking Gone Wrong

[olfella]

Originally Posted by Express

Here are the NSW requirements.

Are you fit to drive.

If you're over 75 you are required to have a medical review every year to keep your licence.

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/lice...-to-drive.html

If that is the case, then the situation outlined by the newspaper article by the OP, means the driver has been reviewed and cleared to drive...

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

I don't think when referring to miks example that the 20 something year old woman driving the munro wilfully ran into the servo ice fridge.

Might be a bit more comparable if she then stuck it in reverse and took out 3 cars and a bowser, put it back into drive then drove through the servos front window.

Everyone makes mistakes, but having 1 accident, stopping, selecting a different gear then proceeding to having 2 more accidents indicates something is wrong and not just a case of a stuff up due to inattention or whatever.

[blackf6]

Might have been running from the aliens.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by trublu

Please post up your reference link, I like to read it.

I don't have one ... I had to crunch the raw stats from scratch. IIRC, I compared drivers <25 with drivers >70. Way more drivers <25 have crashes because they travelled far more, but in terms of crash rates per km, the older drivers were as bad or worse than <25's, and the <25's were far more likely to have single vehicle crashes while the >70's more likely to crash into others.

As others have mentioned, large-scale mandatory re-testing probably isn't workable, but perhaps an 'E' (for elderly) plate to identify older drivers might be worthwhile, so that people drive with a little more caution around them.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by olfella

If that is the case, then the situation outlined by the newspaper article by the OP, means the driver has been reviewed and cleared to drive...

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...tems/AP-G56-13

It's really only looking at existing medical conditions that might be incompatible with driving (eg. blackouts, diabetes, etc). The bigger issue is reaction time, ability to cope with stress, multitasking, etc.... I've seen some guys sharp as a tack into their 90's, others, probably couldn't lick an envelope without ending up in hospital. Age affects us all very differently.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Tonz

Until you know ALL the facts keep your pathetic opinions to yourself. Your neighbors may say similar comments about your driving.

Seriously? On the basis of the description of the actions of that driver, that 78 year old should not have been driving at all. The actions described are of someone in total confusion, and the MOST IMPORTANT part of driving is the ability to make correct decisions. He is just lucky no-one was killed or injured.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by b0son

I don't have one ... I had to crunch the raw stats from scratch. IIRC, I compared drivers <25 with drivers >70. Way more drivers <25 have crashes because they travelled far more, but in terms of crash rates per km, the older drivers were as bad or worse than <25's, and the <25's were far more likely to have single vehicle crashes while the >70's more likely to crash into others.

As others have mentioned, large-scale mandatory re-testing probably isn't workable, but perhaps an 'E' (for elderly) plate to identify older drivers might be worthwhile, so that people drive with a little more caution around them.

So your previous post has no factual reference but your own assumptions, and that is what it is, an assumption.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by trublu

So your previous post has no factual reference but your own assumptions, and that is what it is, an assumption.

no, like I said, I got it all from ATSB data. it's publically available, but not all in one report and has to be calculated from several sources. you are free to do so if you wish. I'm not prepared to do so for a perfect stranger because it's fairly involved.

given you appear to operate from the position that everyone is out to lie to you, here are some links which support the data I've seen ...

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/29/...-most-at-risk/
http://www.smh.com.au/national/elder...03-1myys4.html

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by uniacidz

Whilst I defend any driver whom is fit to drive of any legal driving age, in this case the driver is not fit to drive.

Even in this case if it was a medical issue, then needs to be addressed and assessed before getting behind a wheel again

This could have been so much worse, luckily it wasnt

These comments can be applied to 17-25 year olds, they **** up more on the road than anyone.

Lets make the legal driving age 26-???....congestion addressed and road toll reduced....win win.

[monzie]

As others have mentioned, large-scale mandatory re-testing probably isn't workable, but perhaps an 'E' (for elderly) plate to identify older drivers might be worthwhile, so that people drive with a little more caution around them.[/QUOTE]

Yes a great idea, we could have E elderly, or S for seniors, or A for Asian, or I for Indian, or B for British etc etc etc.
P plates haven't worked so why should any other labeling system?

[b0son]

L plates work, and P plates, debatable ... I find them handy (I can either expect someone that's indecisive or has a deathwish). And anyone driving a Camry can be relied to be a complete waste of time on the road....

[olfella]

Originally Posted by monzie

As others have mentioned, large-scale mandatory re-testing probably isn't workable, but perhaps an 'E' (for elderly) plate to identify older drivers might be worthwhile, so that people drive with a little more caution around them.

Yes a great idea, we could have E elderly, or S for seniors, or A for Asian, or I for Indian, or B for British etc etc etc.
P plates haven't worked so why should any other labeling system?

Maybe on that we could include orange flashing lights and beepers? How about putting red lights at intersections? Now that would stop a lot of accidents.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by b0son

L plates work, and P plates, debatable ... I find them handy (I can either expect someone that's indecisive or has a deathwish). And anyone driving a Camry can be relied to be a complete waste of time on the road....

L platers have a driver with them which is probably why they work. Once you are on your own and have 'control', the mindset changes in a lot of drivers - well thats what I think.

[monzie]

Originally Posted by b0son

L plates work, and P plates, debatable ... I find them handy (I can either expect someone that's indecisive or has a deathwish). And anyone driving a Camry can be relied to be a complete waste of time on the road....

Yes, agree L plates do work, always give learner more time and space. Everybody was in that situation at some time in there life.
As for Camry drivers....

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by monzie

I for Indian, or B for British etc etc etc.

Nah you don't need those plates, if you need to identidy Indian drivers keep an eye out for the yellow Falcons or white Toyota Camry on the roads

[XG_Falcon]

I don't know what you guys were arguing about, reads to me like he had total control over the vehicle.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XG_Falcon

I don't know what you guys were arguing about, reads to me like he had total control over the vehicle.

He just doesn't like boats, cars, camper trailers and garages.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Tonz

Until you know ALL the facts keep your pathetic opinions to yourself. Your neighbors may say similar comments about your driving.

Keyboard warrior.

I don't understand all the fuss about retesting elderly drivers. It's nothing personal, the body and brain just get a bit slower with age and for everyone else's safety they should be tested.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Express

Here are the NSW requirements.

yet in Vic, all the VicRoads web site has to say is

Drivers 75 years of age or older

If you are 75 years of age or older, VicRoads at its discretion, will only grant you a driver licence for a maximum of three years. At the end of each three year period, the licence will be renewed for a further three years.

I can't find any reference to needing any medical checks - looks like it is all self monitored. Another reason for harmonising Road Rules?

[olfella]

Originally Posted by simon varley

I can't find any reference to needing any medical checks - looks like it is all self monitored. Another reason for harmonising Road Rules?

I think you will find that medical checks fall back to your GP - regardless of age but based more on your history and prognosis.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by monzie

Yes, agree L plates do work, always give learner more time and space. Everybody was in that situation at some time in there life.
As for Camry drivers....

I had a Camry (Vienta Touring manual) many years ago - it was driven unlike typical Camry and best sleeper ever :-)

[xtremerus]

Many elderly drivers do have restricted licences. They may be restricted to a X km radius from home.

I can't see a problem with them having a "R" plate, for arguments sake, so other drivers are aware that they don't have that 100% driving ability, and we should be more aware and make allowances, and have patience for them.

Can't see that working though, as many drivers have the "this is my road" attitude.
Get out of my way.

[Beastie]

My dad is 85 and he has to do all the yearly medical tests etc...

I'd back him against so many drivers that I see every day, it's not funny!

My mum on the other hand.......(not being sexist, but she is hopeless god love her!)

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by b0son

I don't have one ... I had to crunch the raw stats from scratch. IIRC, I compared drivers <25 with drivers >70. Way more drivers <25 have crashes because they travelled far more, but in terms of crash rates per km, the older drivers were as bad or worse than <25's, and the <25's were far more likely to have single vehicle crashes while the >70's more likely to crash into others.

As others have mentioned, large-scale mandatory re-testing probably isn't workable, but perhaps an 'E' (for elderly) plate to identify older drivers might be worthwhile, so that people drive with a little more caution around them.

I have seen the exact same reports.
Yes there are more fatalities in the <25's bracket, but when you look at the the amount >70's drive, there is more fatalities for the amount of distance covered.
Some people can't seam to comprehend the difference between raw numbers and ratios.
According to the TAC, your risk drops the older you get, until you get to the 50-59 group your risk starts to climb again

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safet.../older-drivers

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safet...ver-statistics