Should Traffic Fines simply be Abolished?

[Citroënbender]

Where in Tasmania isn’t hilly?

[marty351]

North east corner is the flattest I've known.

[Tassie f100]

The Bass/ Midland highway from Burnie to Hobart 300+kms is generally flat bar probably 40-50 kms which vary from moderate hills to fairly steep 10-15 kms

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

All but a few cars have a 5-10% variation built into the speedo's, so they are reading slow, if you are doing 100 by the speedo you are most likely doing 95 - fact

So, to get booked for 3 k's over you must be doing close to 110 by the speedo, 108+ exactly by the speedo - fact, people know they are going that fast

Nope, that's just crap

I'm actually a careful driver, haven't had an accident for decades. I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere and try to stick to the speed limit.
yes I get careless, and I've copped a couple of fines at 6k over the limit. And I accept that I must have been doing that speed.
But according to your theory, I must have been doing an indicated speed at least 10k over, and that I definitely wasn't.

[Franco Cozzo]

I've only ever had one speeding fine, 61km/h over the limit caught by local police speed trap

I've never been caught by fixed cameras, mobile cameras (came close though just avoided through very fortunate circumstances, twice) and I was doing around 30,000km/year driving around Melbourne and I sped everywhere, usually limit + 20km/h on the highways/freeways.

They always rotate mobile speed cameras in certain places so you know where they will likely be, fixed cameras, well those never change.

I think its revenue raising for BS like 3-6-10-20km/h over the limit, it doesn't do anything towards 'safety'. The Calder Freeway is a twin lane divided freeway between Keilor Park and Bendigo that spans 135km, it should have a 200km/h speed limit, there's no reason you couldn't do that safely on the Calder Freeway.

Speed limits in this country are way too low, its an absolute joke, multi-lane freeways like the Tullamarine Freeway with an 80km/h speed limit, divided freeway, 5 lanes either direction, 80km/h?

Its like they're encouraging people to drive around looking at their phones because you don't need to concentrate driving because you're crawling around huge freeways.

There are all these TAC billboards on my local highway talking about speeding, and the local police setting up speed traps, the road is the worst I've ever seen it in my 30 years on this earth and their solution is to drop the speed limit by 40km/h and then get the local police out there with their radar guns.

How about Victoria Police advocates VicRoads to pull their finger out and get our road fixed if they care so much about 'safety'.

The irony is most people ignore the new 60 limit, except me for obvious reasons now

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The Calder Freeway is a twin lane divided freeway between Keilor Park and Bendigo that spans 135km, it should have a 200km/h speed limit, there's no reason you couldn't do that safely on the Calder Freeway.

Urghhhhh not with all the pot holes, and some of those bends don't feel too steady at high speeds, don't ask me how I know. The quality of our roads won't take anything over 140kmh safely.....over a long distance......for the average car.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by prydey

I don't drive in such a fashion that I'm on and off the brakes. Also if you are in bumper to bumper type traffic obviously you wouldn't use it.

People quote all sorts of reasons why they don't use features of their cars but then complain about revenue raising. If cruise saves me getting a speeding fine then it doesn't matter if it's not quite as economical does it. (Unless you are in very hilly territory, cruise is more economical actually)

In hilly territory the cruse control is rubbish ! it uses much more fuel in fact.

Yes I use cruse control to more likely to save me speeding fines. as I drove one hour to work and one hour back every day on the highway, so when you are buggered coming home you tend to disregard the speed limit if you can, but with CC you just sit back as your foot does not get itching to go.

In my 6sp manual SS in hills I go back to 5th gear going on up the hills.

In my 6sp auto V6 it's best when coming up to a hill to put your foot down before hand, but in CC it does not know what is ahead ? so it powers up to late and then it's 6th and back to 5th and then 4th and 3rd sometimes, the auto is going savage and on some crest in 3rd by the time it's responded to back off then 4th comes kicking in and shove you over the speed limit 10KM/H faster that the limit and bingo a bloody radar trap ! they put the traps in spots where they can catch unsuspecting the car getting away on CC down a bit of a hill and it has nothing to do with safety at all what soever !

Every K over is a killer ? BS ! that's Nazi like tactics dribble. brainwashing moronic fascist nonsense, their is a lot mort to driving than to a posted limit, about 95% of driving safe has bugger all to do with posted limits being exceeded by 5 KM/H but the Nazis love to claim such dribble.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The irony is most people ignore the new 60 limit, except me for obvious reasons now

Was cruising along this very area last night and come across a Renault pulled up by an unmarked 5 series on the side of the highway with two police talking to the driver outside the car.

I like to think it was for his crime of driving a French car, but no doubt it would be for doing 100 in the 'road hazard' zone that's now reduced to 60 for a few kilometres.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Urghhhhh not with all the pot holes, and some of those bends don't feel too steady at high speeds, don't ask me how I know. The quality of our roads won't take anything over 140kmh safely.....over a long distance......for the average car.

Bah, I've done 190km/h between Kangaroo Flat and Woodend with no dramas when I had my 7 series.

I used to fly around between Tullamarine and New Gisborne on a regular basis, if 'speed kills' then how come I'm still alive?

I've only stopped driving like a knob since November last year, I've had about 12 years of taking the **** on country highways and interstate runs and I'm still alive.

Maybe speed doesn't kill and they're full of ****?

The person who set up the speed trap that got me set it up in one of three overtaking lanes in the 75km stretch of our highway - this is where the speed trap was set up, right towards the end of it:



'An area known for speeding' - yeah mate its one of three overtaking lanes in the 75km stretch of the road?

[roKWiz]

I love the new speed trap tactics of sitting half way down a newly resurfaced freeway where the speed limit has been lowered due to non painted lines.

Been doing alot of work on the Hume lately and they seem to be using 2 cars one at the end of finished works and one as stated.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I love the new speed trap tactics of sitting half way down a newly resurfaced freeway where the speed limit has been lowered due to non painted lines.

Been doing alot of work on the Hume lately and they seem to be using 2 cars one at the end of finished works and one as stated.

Be careful, unpainted lines you might forget which side of the freeway you should be driving on and have a head on accident - we better reduce the speed limit from 110km/h to 40km/h for 36 kilometers.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Be careful, unpainted lines you might forget which side of the freeway you should be driving on and have a head on accident - we better reduce the speed limit from 110km/h to 40km/h for 36 kilometers.

I bet that's the only time you will see highway patrol running speed check too.
Then when the speed is raised to 110 again and speeding might actually be dangerous, suddenly you will never ever see speed checks on that road again.


There's still people in this country who think speed checks are done for safety. After all this time driving it's quite clear it's for revenue.

I never see speed checks on dangerous roads with high speed limits, but I always see them on good quality, safe roads with conservative speed limits.

Before I get the usual 'DoN'T sPeEd AnD yOu WoN'T hAvE tO wOrRy' line. I have never received a speeding fine in my life. I try to avoid contributing to the revenue raising crap, but I'll still call it out.

I totally agree... Cancel licence for 10yr's crush the car driven by the perpetrator and jail the driver for 5yrs minimum.

At least there won't be any more Mexican Hoon Cartel videos on bookface

I'm welcome 😉

Originally Posted by Ben73

I bet that's the only time you will see highway patrol running speed check too.
Then when the speed is raised to 110 again and speeding might actually be dangerous, suddenly you will never ever see speed checks on that road again.


There's still people in this country who think speed checks are done for safety. After all this time driving it's quite clear it's for revenue.

I never see speed checks on dangerous roads with high speed limits, but I always see them on good quality, safe roads with conservative speed limits.

Before I get the usual 'DoN'T sPeEd AnD yOu WoN'T hAvE tO wOrRy' line. I have never received a speeding fine in my life. I try to avoid contributing to the revenue raising crap, but I'll still call it out.

I just drove back from up north... got caught behind a caravan coming into Gympie in a 90k zone... contemplated overtaking as he was well under the speed limit, but haha a silver stinger was right there lidar out the window as I approached... If I had overtaken him I would have been 30ks minimum over...

😊 Glad I think before I act these days !

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I never see speed checks on dangerous roads with high speed limits, but I always see them on good quality, safe roads with conservative speed limits.

I remember when they first started in NSW with the double demerits on the long weekends in the 90s. It was supposedly directed at the holiday traffic because of the 'carnage' they were causing. Driving into work on the Saturday on the M5, city-bound, empty. Outbound, chocked with holiday traffic. Radar trap with maybe 6 police cars.... wanna guess which side of the M5 they were pinging?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

I just drove back from up north... got caught behind a caravan coming into Gympie in a 90k zone... contemplated overtaking as he was well under the speed limit, but haha a silver stinger was right there lidar out the window as I approached... If I had overtaken him I would have been 30ks minimum over...

😊 Glad I think before I act these days !

That would have landed you a criminal record in VIC these days - for 'excessive speeding' (>25km/h over)

A driver will be charged with the offence of excessive speeding if they exceed the speed limit by more than 25km/h or drive faster than 130km/h. Guilt will depend on the facts and circumstances, with the prosecution having to prove that the person charged was driving the car and doing so over the speed limit.

The Road Safety Act 1986 and Road Safety (Drivers) Regulations 2019 govern speeding offences in Victoria.

Excessive speeding results in an automatic licence suspension and is classed as a criminal offence so an offender will receive a criminal record.

https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/tr...sive-speeding/

What a world we live in now where we've criminalised driving - its not a 'traffic offence' its literally a criminal offence, you know, tick the box on having a criminal record when you apply for jobs

Join the ranks of Adrian Bayley for coasting into a roadworks zone going from 100 into a 60 zone at 85km/h, you're both ticking yes to the same box

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Nope, that's just crap

I'm actually a careful driver, haven't had an accident for decades. I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere and try to stick to the speed limit.
yes I get careless, and I've copped a couple of fines at 6k over the limit. And I accept that I must have been doing that speed.
But according to your theory, I must have been doing an indicated speed at least 10k over, and that I definitely wasn't.

read my post again, with no emotion, then prove I am wrong.

I have driven only 2 cars whose speedo's were reasonably accurate, one was an FG Falcon, the other is my Ranger after I put slightly bigger wheels on it, it made the speed actually read 1 k faster, so at speedo of 99 I was actually doing 100

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Nope, that's just crap

I'm actually a careful driver, haven't had an accident for decades. I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere and try to stick to the speed limit.
yes I get careless, and I've copped a couple of fines at 6k over the limit. And I accept that I must have been doing that speed.
But according to your theory, I must have been doing an indicated speed at least 10k over, and that I definitely wasn't.

I am 100% with Trevor on that one.Most likely you had a lapse in concentration,maybe slight downhill run and the speed crept up on you

[jstanovic]

Regardless if it's revenue raising, speed limits too low, roadworks or whatever, why is it such a difficult task to not exceed the speed limit?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by jstanovic

Regardless if it's revenue raising, speed limits too low, roadworks or whatever, why is it such a difficult task to not exceed the speed limit?

Because most people dont drive with one eye on the speedo.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jstanovic

Regardless if it's revenue raising, speed limits too low, roadworks or whatever, why is it such a difficult task to not exceed the speed limit?

Because if I'm bored I start looking at my phone or singing to music or looking out the window at everything other than driving, because I don't need to concentrate on driving because I'm going at childrens dodgem car ride speeds on our freeways

Its all well and good when you're driving around suburbia because you need to be like a fly on **** with a hundred eyes everywhere, but when you're crawling around multi lane freeways at 80km/h thats when reading and posting on AFF while driving is being incentivised.



I find even in that 60 zone I've been having a sook about locally to me, people are going through at speeds they're comfortable driving at where they ignore the speed limit.

You could have no speed limit and you'd have people doing what they're comfortable driving at which they think is a safe speed to be travelling, it doesn't neccessarily mean everyone is going to be sitting on the speed limiter of their car just because you could.

Today, I sat behind someone doing 30km/h under the speed limit for 25km.... in my Caprice, because I didn't have to be somewhere on a schedule and I was content chilling out listening to music, if I was on my way to work or intent on getting to a destination, ala interstate trip for holidays, then no chance.

When its 3AM on the Tullamarine Freeway and its me getting myself home and some taxis doing Melbourne Airport runs on a 5 lane either direction freeway, I think you can go a bit faster than the 100km/h 'experimental' limit they put in place.

If they're going to blatantly revenue raise from everyone, then at least put the money back into our roads, our roads are an absolute joke for all the money they take in through fines/infringements, should be blokes in suits and fedoras hand polishing the road surface that's made out of 24 carat gold every 50 meters with the money they take in from this bull****, but all we have is goat tracks that look like Russia's been at them with fuel air explosives - where's all the money going?

I'm about to hit up regional NSW by road, apparently they're next level goat tracks and I need to watch out for Chrysler 300 SRT Core because apparently the only people driving them in NSW are the police according to DCOA clips

[Junkyard-Dog]

Q: Should Traffic Fines simply be Abolished?

A: No.

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

we better reduce the speed limit from 110km/h to 40km/h for 36 kilometers.

40km/h seems a bit risky. 25km/h should be the speed limit on ALL public roads... nobody needs to go faster than that.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

40km/h seems a bit risky. 25km/h should be the speed limit on ALL public roads... nobody needs to go faster than that.

Make it 10km/h - that's the legal max speed limit for e-scooters and e-bikes in VIC, safe for everyone.

[Junkyard-Dog]

I guess the e-bike I made (and sold) in 2020 which was capable of 90km/h would be frowned upon in Victoria...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

I guess the e-bike I made (and sold) in 2020 which was capable of 90km/h would be frowned upon in Victoria...

Tell me more, I'm interested

[Junkyard-Dog]

My uncle is a mad scientist. He built his own spot welder from random microwave parts and other scrap electronics. He then proceeded to manufacture an outrageously powerful battery for me from salvaged laptop batteries - I think I still have some video he recorded of himself spot welding the cells together. It was a 72v battery, around 20ah and the rear-hub was 2000w. The bike frame was a "GIANT" brand but I cannot remember the model.