V Facts, February 2023

[hackney]

Ranger has again taken out top spot.4473 units. Hilux a ‘paltry’ 3939 units.Tesla @ #3 with 2671 units.Is Toyota in ‘trouble’? Are they about to fall off their #1 perch with the so called ‘unbreakable’ Hilux? That is the $64000 question.

[Adamz Ghia]

They might… if they stop selling Hilux, Rav4 and Corolla altogether!

A good result for Ranger. Given 95% of Rangers I see are XLT and up they must be making some good coin on them.

Do you know how Everest did?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

They might… if they stop selling Hilux, Rav4 and Corolla altogether!

A good result for Ranger. Given 95% of Rangers I see are XLT and up they must be making some good coin on them.

Do you know how Everest did?

Everest:752 units.Prado:1123 units.Could well be supply issues affecting the Everest though.

[anobserver]

TOP 10 CARS IN February 2023
Rank Model Volume February 2023 Change year-on-year

1 Ford Ranger 4473 up 29.5 per cent
2 Toyota HiLux 3939 down 18 per cent
3 Tesla Model 3 2671 N/A
4 Mazda CX-5 2600 up 105.5 per cent
5 Mitsubishi Outlander 2166 up 29.5 per cent
6 Toyota RAV4 2115 down 52.5 per cent
7 MG ZS 2047 up 4.8 per cent
8 Isuzu D-Max 1931 No change
9 Subaru Forester 1709 up 35.9 per cent
10 MG 3 1622 up 12.9 per cent

TOP 10 CAR BRANDS IN February 2023
Rank Brand Volume February 2023 Change year-on-year

1 Toyota 14,332 down 13.4 per cent
2 Mazda 7667 down 12.7 per cent
3 Ford 6022 up 30.6 per cent
4 Kia 6000 up 2.0 per cent
5 Hyundai 5504 down 2.6 per cent
6 Mitsubishi 5500 down 29.6 per cent
7 MG 4363 up 15.8 per cent
8 Subaru 4054 up 28.7 per cent
9 Tesla 3516 N/A
10 Isuzu 3156 up 13.3 per cent

https://www.drive.com.au/news/vfacts...new-car-sales/

[Franco Cozzo]

So it begins gents, you know it's a fresh month when the VFACTS thread goes up on AFF then there's only a matter of time before it kicks off in arguments

Am I missing something here or is Mazda and Subaru showing huge increases in sales this month? Stock shipment?

Mazda CX-5 - up 105%?

Did they just fill backorders or did a heap of people suddenly show out for Mazda?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

So it begins gents, you know it's a fresh month when the VFACTS thread goes up on AFF then there's only a matter of time before it kicks off in arguments

‘Oh what a feeling’!

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

So it begins gents, you know it's a fresh month when the VFACTS thread goes up on AFF then there's only a matter of time before it kicks off in arguments

Am I missing something here or is Mazda and Subaru showing huge increases in sales this month? Stock shipment?

Mazda CX-5 - up 105%?

Did they just fill backorders or did a heap of people suddenly show out for Mazda?

I suspect shipping, first month out of festive season.
We're also seeing a drop in the delays from the previous chip shortages.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by hackney

Everest:752 units.Prado:1123 units.Could well be supply issues affecting the Everest though.

There are boats full of cars sitting at sea waiting to come in. Would have been good to see what the numbers could have got to if not for the quarantine problems. But that probably goes for a few manufacturers, not just Ford. Although apparently Ford had a whole ship full of cars waiting. Like 2400 or something on just the one ship.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There are boats full of cars sitting at sea waiting to come in. Would have been good to see what the numbers could have got to if not for the quarantine problems. But that probably goes for a few manufacturers, not just Ford. Although apparently Ford had a whole ship full of cars waiting. Like 2400 or something on just the one ship.

Yes,correct.

[PG2]

BENT_8 - stop making posts that will get a reaction.

Everyone else - stop reacting to his posts.



EDIT:

I wasn't going to repeat myself, however...

This is a Ford Forum, there is going to be bias towards Ford. If you don't like it, log onto a Toyota/Mitsubishi/Nissan etc forum and bag their product and/or their forum members for being bias and see how far you get.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by PG2

BENT_8 - stop making posts that will get a reaction.

Everyone else - stop reacting to his posts.



EDIT:

I wasn't going to repeat myself, however...

This is a Ford Forum, there is going to be bias towards Ford. If you don't like it, log onto a Toyota/Mitsubishi/Nissan etc forum and bag their product and/or their forum members for being bias and see how far you get.

That would be the first time one of my posts has been deleted. I think that explains how sick to death of I am of the same person poking the bear every month in these threads.

Does this person behave like this in public, or just online?

[Franco Cozzo]

This has got to be the first time I've come out of one of these threads with my hands clean, I'm a new man - who said a leopard can't change its spots

Good to see Toyota down, lets see more of this.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

This has got to be the first time I've come out of one of these threads with my hands clean, I'm a new man - who said a leopard can't change its spots

Good to see Toyota down, lets see more of this.

If you want me to make it about you, I am sure that I can dig something up.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

So it begins gents, you know it's a fresh month when the VFACTS thread goes up on AFF then there's only a matter of time before it kicks off in arguments

Am I missing something here or is Mazda and Subaru showing huge increases in sales this month? Stock shipment?

Mazda CX-5 - up 105%?

Did they just fill backorders or did a heap of people suddenly show out for Mazda?

If I remember correctly Mazda ran a lot of ads stating they had cars on the ground ready to go....obviously the ones from previous months low sales...and so come Feb and a big promotion and they sold them.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

That would be the first time one of my posts has been deleted. I think that explains how sick to death of I am of the same person poking the bear every month in these threads.

Does this person behave like this in public, or just online?

Put him on Ignore & Don't feed the Troll..

Works for Me...

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

This has got to be the first time I've come out of one of these threads with my hands clean, I'm a new man - who said a leopard can't change its spots

Good to see Toyota down, lets see more of this.

Maybe you were never a leopard in the first place, maybe you were always a tiger but just needed time to see it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PG2

If you want me to make it about you, I am sure that I can dig something up.

You won't even need to dig too far, just scratch the surface

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Maybe you were never a leopard in the first place, maybe you were always a tiger but just needed time to see it.

I was a beautiful caterpillar who turned into one of those ugly bogong moth things - in the next life I'm coming back as a dog turd, eventually I'll turn white and people will leave me alone to exist in peace

We've got Tesla in the top three this month, I'm seeing a lot of them around Melbourne, they seem very boom and bust with their monthly figures but I guess its due to the way they ship their cars and they arrive in the country.

The monthly figures are an indication at best I guess, we're comparing vehicle registrations rather than actual 'sales' to customers, then add into the fact the transport issues, 'chip supply' (I'm over this excuse, I honestly am its like no one is trying here) the real comparison comes from the end of year summary.

I want to keep an eye on the MG3, everyone keeps pulling out of the small car segment while MG is holding in there, they'll capture all these niche sales, prices will massively rise as they will be the only option.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You won't even need to dig too far, just scratch the surface



I was a beautiful caterpillar who turned into one of those ugly bogong moth things - in the next life I'm coming back as a dog turd, eventually I'll turn white and people will leave me alone to exist in peace

We've got Tesla in the top three this month, I'm seeing a lot of them around Melbourne, they seem very boom and bust with their monthly figures but I guess its due to the way they ship their cars and they arrive in the country.

The monthly figures are an indication at best I guess, we're comparing vehicle registrations rather than actual 'sales' to customers, then add into the fact the transport issues, 'chip supply' (I'm over this excuse, I honestly am its like no one is trying here) the real comparison comes from the end of year summary.

I want to keep an eye on the MG3, everyone keeps pulling out of the small car segment while MG is holding in there, they'll capture all these niche sales, prices will massively rise as they will be the only option.

#1 in the UK!(MGHS)

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Put him on Ignore & Don't feed the Troll..

Works for Me...

Maybe it’s a little about “Stockholm syndrome”, and someone who appears on this thread to bag Ford sales every VFacts month, followed by “others” who think it’s “Ok” because it “happens every monthly 3rd business day”.

The Ford Australian developed Ranger is doing Ok, so is the locally Australian developed Everest.

Engineered by Aussies “for the world” and not by “internet trolls”.

[PG2]

Guys and Gals

Despite BENT_8 trying his very best to make this thread about him, this is certainly not the case.

Any further posts that are not be about how great Ford is February V facts will be deleted.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by PG2

Guys and Gals

Despite BENT_8 trying his very best to make this thread about him, this is certainly not the case.

Any further posts that are not be about how great Ford is February V facts will be deleted.

You should be able to compare with other brands.You cannot dictate that sort of nonsense.Everyone should be able to be able to have an open discussion regarding any brand in regards to Vfacts. I really do not think he has tried to make it about ‘him’.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by PG2

Guys and Gals

Despite BENT_8 trying his very best to make this thread about him, this is certainly not the case.

Any further posts that are not be about how great Ford is February V facts will be deleted.

You should also be able to compare month on month, not just to one month alone.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by hackney

You should be able to compare with other brands.You cannot dictate that sort of nonsense.Everyone should be able to be able to have an open discussion regarding any brand in regards to Vfacts. I really do not think he has tried to make it about ‘him’.

Thankyou.

I certainly dont try to make it about me but simply pointing out that every month the same rubbish is trotted out about Ford either having a great month because the products are brilliant or on slower months an excuse about quarantine, semi conductors or model mix oversights.
Whilst anytime a genuine rival has a good month its years of back orders or fleet/rental no profit sales or on poor months **** products noone wants.

Its not bagging Ford, its calling out the PR machine thats allowed to spruik that crap because they bleed blue in a thread dedicated to all brand results.
If its only meant to be about Ford then dont allow links to full industry inclusive articles, call it Ford sales x month and request no mention of rival brands.

I get that its a Ford forum, I love my Fords and own 2 and have probably owned many more than my detractors which makes the Holden/Toyota fanboi tag I get labelled with pretty meaningless.
Surely as adults people can look past the tinted glasses and appreciate the efforts of other brands once a month without the childish mud slinging and excuses.

[jpd80]

Space on ships is still a big issue, so if Ford only has 5,000-6,000 allocated per month, then guess what..

It’s not an excuse, just a reality of doing business as an importer, would that they could increase shipping.
Japanese and Euro manufacturers are in the same position but I suspect that Toyota and perhaps Mazda
have a bit more shipping capacity and are far less likely to have issues in that area although sometimes
delivery timing can really distort figures.

[DFB FGXR6]

I can't help but think that if the local car manufacturers lasted a few more years, how would their businesses be now that it's so hard to land cars in Australia. Provided they had further diversified or changed the models they were making, if think they would probably still have a viable business case for making cars here.

[DFB FGXR6]

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 141
Ford Everest – 752
Ford Fiesta – 23
Ford Focus – 8
Ford Mustang – 176
Ford Puma – 235
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 691
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 3782
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 211
Ford Transit Heavy – 3
Ford total – 6022

Decent numbers for Puma all things considered, not to mention Mustang that is on the cusp of replacement.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by hackney

You should be able to compare with other brands.You cannot dictate that sort of nonsense.Everyone should be able to be able to have an open discussion regarding any brand in regards to Vfacts. I really do not think he has tried to make it about ‘him’.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.

The post that you refer to I was trying to make the point of let's get back to talking about February V facts. If you want to talk about other brands and/or compare those figures with other months in a reasonable manner then that if is fine by me.

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Thankyou.

I certainly dont try to make it about me but simply pointing out that every month the same rubbish is trotted out about Ford either having a great month because the products are brilliant or on slower months an excuse about quarantine, semi conductors or model mix oversights.
Whilst anytime a genuine rival has a good month its years of back orders or fleet/rental no profit sales or on poor months **** products noone wants.

Its not bagging Ford, its calling out the PR machine thats allowed to spruik that crap because they bleed blue in a thread dedicated to all brand results.
If its only meant to be about Ford then dont allow links to full industry inclusive articles, call it Ford sales x month and request no mention of rival brands.

I get that its a Ford forum, I love my Fords and own 2 and have probably owned many more than my detractors which makes the Holden/Toyota fanboi tag I get labelled with pretty meaningless.
Surely as adults people can look past the tinted glasses and appreciate the efforts of other brands once a month without the childish mud slinging and excuses.

Yet, when you do post something the next lot of posts are about you and several others arguing.

Yes, we can look past the tinted glasses and appreciate the other brands but we can also appreciate the efforts of Ford on a Ford Forum without others shouting them down each and every month.

You rarely have anything positive to say about Ford in these types of threads and it appears that some other members are getting sick of it.





Yep, I am going to have the last word on this matter. If you want to discuss further send a PM amongst yourselves. If you want to send one to me, I'm happy to listen, just be prepared that we may not agree.

Any further posts that are not related to V Facts (notice I didn't say February) will be deleted.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 141
Ford Everest – 752
Ford Fiesta – 23
Ford Focus – 8
Ford Mustang – 176
Ford Puma – 235
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 691
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 3782
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 211
Ford Transit Heavy – 3
Ford total – 6022

Decent numbers for Puma all things considered, not to mention Mustang that is on the cusp of replacement.

Ranger 4x2 numbers steadily increasing month on month, prior to current model change over they were sitting around 200 a month.

If you were in charge of the Ranger 4x2 program you'd be happy because of a 300%+ increase in sales.

Also Fiesta and Focus long discontinued but they're still trickling in sales - must be orders being fulfilled.

Turkish Delight Transit Heavy is an absolute joke - 3 sales?

[DFB FGXR6]

Looking at another brand, Suzuki have been taking advantage of other brands abandoning the smaller end of the market.

Suzuki Baleno – 62
Suzuki Ignis – 238
Suzuki Jimny – 462
Suzuki S-Cross – 51
Suzuki Swift – 410
Suzuki Vitara – 159
Suzuki total – 1382

Got to have a laugh at 462 people who think the Jimny is a good buy, sort of like miniature 70-Series in terms of a lack of refinement, lack of power and cheeky asking prices.

[EBSXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Ranger 4x2 numbers steadily increasing month on month, prior to current model change over they were sitting around 200 a month.

If you were in charge of the Ranger 4x2 program you'd be happy because of a 300%+ increase in sales.

Also Fiesta and Focus long discontinued but they're still trickling in sales - must be orders being fulfilled.

Turkish Delight Transit Heavy is an absolute joke - 3 sales?

The Fomoco Marketing person in charge of Ranger 4x2 has been reading Franco's posts in this thread.