Hoon laws 1st anniversary

[Tuddy200]

Originally Posted by Perth XR5

that cannot judge distance/speed/time that pulls out right in front of him.

Then that little old lady should not have been driving. Doesn't matter if someone doing 170km/h or 60km/h is comming for you, if you can't judge the traffic correctly, don't drive.

I agree that he shouldn't be doing 120km/h in a 50km/h first place, but we can't use that to cover those that simply cannot drive.

Why is speeding now considered under hooning? 90% of the cars being taken by police are for speeding and improper use. If you're doing more then 40km/h over the limit, I can understand, but below is a joke.

I'd like to see what the break down of the "improper use" is, Engine Noise, Exhaust Noise, Car Stero, Quick Acceleration off the line (not racing, otherwise be engaging in race.)

I think the police 'should' have the power to take peoples cars, but the stupid things they take them for is unbelievable.

[rocketxr]

On another note, why do you get to keep your car if you get done for drink driving??? Surely that is more dangerous!!??

[Kashmir Mafia]

Originally Posted by G.J.Tuddy

Then that little old lady should not have been driving. Doesn't matter if someone doing 170km/h or 60km/h is comming for you, if you can't judge the traffic correctly, don't drive.

I agree that they shouldn't be driving, but unfortunately with our ridiculous licensing system there doesn't seem to be any re-testing of drivers once they have their license. I was simply using this as an example from the "Good riding skills" comment for doing a wheelie at 120km/h and combining it with some of the other issues we all have to deal with on the road on a daily basis.

I don't entirely agree with the Hoon laws, but I am against people driving at excessive speeds on a public road when there are so many external influences that can combine for a catastrophic result.

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by Perth XR5

It doesn't take that long to get up to these speeds but in response to your question I have several 50km/h roads near my house that have no speed humps or round-abouts to "slow you down".

Do you think this is the kind of bloke that should be out on our road?

Hoon driver appears in court

Posted July 11, 2007 12:39:00
Updated July 11, 2007 12:38:00

A 34-year-old man has been granted bail after appearing in the Perth Magistrates Court accused of riding his motorcycle on one wheel at 70 kilometres per hour over the speed limit.

Mark Brian Benedetti was arrested last night after police stopped him in Como.

It is alleged he was carrying drugs, and more than $26,000 in cash and a knife.

Mr Benedetti was not required to plead to several charges including possessing amphetamine with intent to sell or supply, reckless driving and driving without a licence.

He will appear in court again next month.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...htm?site=perth

So take his car off him and license and make the problem worse!! If hes carrying drugs and a knife and driving at that speed hes not really fazed about getting court youd think. Keep taking the license and car off someone like that and 90% of the time they will steel a car and drive without a license and insurance etc.. If they are serious they would try to get him some serious help and counceling, ant depresants (if need be) etc and the chance of doing something more serious would be much less and therefore have a safer community. Oops I forgot that costs money rather than makes money....So lets breed a criminal into society..

[-=FoRdEseries=-]

WHERE THEY LIVE?
Greater Bendigo.........50
Dandenong...............39
Hoppers crossing.......37
Mill Park...................36
Melton.....................36
Mildura.....................34

Personally, i dont think some places deserve to be here (well they do but its more or less the cops) if they enforce the law or not, because iv seen people 'trying' to drift on roundabouts and cops seeing them and not do anything, but some people get pulled up for accidently slipping the clutch in the wet, as a mother (50's or so) was in a BA XR8 ute and did that. she was abit freaked from the event but the cop took her car away.

[sleekism]

Why is that when I get booked for accidently slipping 15 km/h an hour over the speed limit i feel like I have been wronged?

Why don't I feel like a "hoon" or a "menace to society" like the law portrays me?

Do I lack morals or is the law out of wack?

I have never had an accident, on countless occansions avoided other peoples mistakes (including idiot cops) yet by the letter of the law if I choose to have a squirt on a secluded backroad that I know like the back of my hand I'm a criminal?

Oh and the one time my car has been damaged is when i had way too many drinks and let someone sober drive me home and they ended up hitting the kerb and destroying the wheel :

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Why is that when I get booked for accidently slipping 15 km/h an hour over the speed limit i feel like I have been wronged?

How the hell do manage to slip 15 kays over??

Originally Posted by sleekism

Why don't I feel like a "hoon" or a "menace to society" like the law portrays me?

Do I lack morals or is the law out of wack?

I have never had an accident, on countless occansions avoided other peoples mistakes (including idiot cops) yet by the letter of the law if I choose to have a squirt on a secluded backroad that I know like the back of my hand I'm a criminal?

Oh and the one time my car has been damaged is when i had way too many drinks and let someone sober drive me home and they ended up hitting the kerb and destroying the wheel :

Higher than posted speed = illegal.
It's that simple for you.

I think the laws are harsh, but I hate to say they have to be until road users take the road seriously and responsibly.

Opening a track for a weekend will help reduce the roads as long as cars aren't defected in the car parks.

[MeLLy]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

I think the laws are harsh, but I hate to say they have to be until road users take the road seriously and responsibly.

Opening a track for a weekend will help reduce the roads as long as cars aren't defected in the car parks.

I agree Totally That would be a good idea for people to go and let loose and to do their thing....As for the defect thing it would be good to be able to go somewhere and escape the cops but if they can pull up to a carpark and just defect cars without gaining access to them then where is the limit?
Its The stupid ppl out their are ruining it for the rest of us.

[xbgs351]

One more statistics:

LIVES SAVED: Nil

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Wont make the slightest difference....

bull$#!t... it's more than worth a try and at the end of the day if it saves one life it was worth doing.

As for the comments about revenue from the hoon laws, when the car is towed the towing company charges you X amound of dollers and a certain percent of that is given to Vic Police, it's a case of i scratch your back if you scratch mine.

Not to mention the obvious profit from selling the cars after the 3rd offence...

The disgusting thing is that if you get done for DUI, you cop a fine, licence suspention and a slap on the wrist.

If you get caught "Hooning" on a back road (I live in a counrty area, not talking about the suburbs here) at midnight (No traffic) your car gets towed, where is the justice in that?

Here is some guy ****ed of his head that has drove 30mins all over the road and somehow managed to stay alive, and you break the ever conservative limit for 30 seconds and you cop the bigger penalty.

[BigBastard]

well city of Casey is considering to make ALL roads a 40km/hr zone except for main roads, like highways or major roads.
Casey involves, Dandenong, Noble Park, Springvale and Endeavour hills from what i know.
If this law passes, other councils will follow suit.
I do not think 40km/hr is possible, this means you are adding about 10 minutes extra per trip on average and no lives saved. If someone fails to do an emergency stop in less than 7 meters doing 50 km/hour they should get their vehicle and brains checked up as something is seriously wrong with that car/driver.

I will tell you from now, i won't follow the 40 km/hour limit, i will fall asleep behind the wheel.
First it was 50 km/hr, now 40km/hr, what's next? 5km/hr?
overseas there are no sped limits, and guess what? no death from car accidents! we keep looking at our dash to keep the limit and not get booked, that's why we forget to look at the road!

I understand 5-10 km max over the speed is ok, but hoons doing 15+ is just utterly stupid.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

How the hell do manage to slip 15 kays over??




Higher than posted speed = illegal.
It's that simple for you.

I think the laws are harsh, but I hate to say they have to be until road users take the road seriously and responsibly.

Opening a track for a weekend will help reduce the roads as long as cars aren't defected in the car parks.

I don't know if anybody else has this problem but my car likes to sit on 120 km/h on the highway it just sneaks it's way up there. In town it creeps too it practically idles it's way there I spend half my time on the damn breaks!

I work waaaaay out in the sticks and when I'm driving 300 kays home at midnight I never once look at the speedo it's simply too dangerous even at below 100kays you take your eyes off the road for a second and you die simple as that, the roads are dodgy so honestly I don't give a crap if I'm breaking the speed limit. I can feeel if I'm going too fast for the conditions and brake accordingly but I can't afford to pay attention to some fixed number pulled out of the RTA's ***.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I don't know if anybody else has this problem but my car likes to sit on 120 km/h on the highway it just sneaks it's way up there. In town it creeps too it practically idles it's way there I spend half my time on the damn breaks!

I work waaaaay out in the sticks and when I'm driving 300 kays home at midnight I never once look at the speedo it's simply too dangerous even at below 100kays you take your eyes off the road for a second and you die simple as that, the roads are dodgy so honestly I don't give a crap if I'm breaking the speed limit. I can feeel if I'm going too fast for the conditions and brake accordingly but I can't afford to pay attention to some fixed number pulled out of the RTA's ***.

Doesn't the 99 model Ghia have Cruise Control ( for constant HWY driving of course )..........maybe you should consider one, it may save you more than a hefty fine !!!!!!

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by MeLLy

First of all it was just an innocent statement & if you want to take it that much to heart & challenge me on it then i shall humour you.
Second of all How come the cars that are siezed and towed end up in the police impound yard which is usually at the back of the cop shop?So everyday it sits in there its costing the driver money but where does that money go to? The cops pockets or their state fund.
So in a way it is raising them more money.
Third of all when you go to court for your offence you do normally get fined and where does that money go?
You get a fine,prosicution costs,Victims of crime levy & court costs...
(So the police end up with their share of the money and so does the state ie; it raises more money for them;revenue raising...)
So where is that money going? Or am i just blinking my eyes and not really thinkin they dont make money everytime someone goes to court?
And last but not least....
Next time dont pick something i said so lightly so much to heart that you rav on and talk down to me like im a stupid women wont have it.If you wanna talk down to someone do it somewhere else.
So riddle me this batman I'm from SA these are my laws so if im wrong in your book well sorry i didnt go and check in with the laws of every state before i wrote this in reply to your lil speech.

SDKC is a copper, so i think he would know more than you.
Every second post of yours is bagging them out...
And the costs incurred of getting your car impounded are towing fees and holding fees, which are usually at the tow yard.
Are you saying fines are a pointless, revenue raising waste of time? How do you expect the police to get money? maybe a few barbeques? Think about that when you need them...

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Who gets the money when they sell your car after the 3rd offence?

I wouldnt think the person would deserve to get the money for it.
It's their choice whether they do stupid stuff in the car, and everybody knows the consequences (sp?)
....

[Silentsfastcar]

Originally Posted by ESP

Doesn't the 99 model Ghia have Cruise Control ( for constant HWY driving of course )..........maybe you should consider one, it may save you more than a hefty fine !!!!!!

Well my 98 xr8 has cruise control, and what do you mean for constant hwy driving. to save me from speeding i use cruise everywhere, including 50 zones. it removes the temptation to put your foot down slightly and do 57 in a 50 and get fined. for manuals you just get to 4th and hit resume or what ever it is called, and for autos, just use it for your accel :p doing it like that stops the hoon laws and speed laws very easy!!!

and get this, the other day on my way home, some moron comes flying up my a$$, tailgates me, then overtakes my car in the emergency lane, nearly side swipes me, so i flash my lights( i know i shouldn't have but he nearly dinged my ride ) and he slams on his breaks, cause about a 10kmph accident (6k dmg to my car) and the cop tells ME that i should be careful of next time or MY car will be confiscated.. the other guy got a caution for tailgating.. that is a flawed system

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Silentsfastcar

Well my 98 xr8 has cruise control, and what do you mean for constant hwy driving.

I mean its more efficient when used on the HWY / Freeway in offpeak conditions, where you can relax your foot, there are less cars around and you are more likely to go way over the speed limit.

In the BURBS, you'd be constantly braking, then resetting and braking etc etc. That would be a hassle.......

For the really speed conscious..........just set up the speed alert for 50.......and then OBEY it.

[sexr6tasy]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

SDKC is a copper, so i think he would know more than you.
Every second post of yours is bagging them out...
And the costs incurred of getting your car impounded are towing fees and holding fees, which are usually at the tow yard.
Are you saying fines are a pointless, revenue raising waste of time? How do you expect the police to get money? maybe a few barbeques? Think about that when you need them...

I wouldnt think the person would deserve to get the money for it.
It's their choice whether they do stupid stuff in the car, and everybody knows the consequences (sp?)
....

Tonko you rave on the same crap every thread about how if your doing nothing wrong dont worry blah blah bloody blah its not as simple as that as half the story's on this site testify, hoon laws are bullshit and so are the cops who abuse them and i would expect cops to get money the same way they have forever which is from our tax money we pay to the government not by pining hoons who accidentally crunch third or do some will spin of the line, because as the figuers show the road toll has dropped by atleast half not. the end NEXT.

[MeLLy]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

SDKC is a copper, so i think he would know more than you.
Every second post of yours is bagging them out...
And the costs incurred of getting your car impounded are towing fees and holding fees, which are usually at the tow yard.
Are you saying fines are a pointless, revenue raising waste of time? How do you expect the police to get money? maybe a few barbeques? Think about that when you need them...

I wouldnt think the person would deserve to get the money for it.
It's their choice whether they do stupid stuff in the car, and everybody knows the consequences (sp?)
....

Well if hes a copper than he is a copper in victoria and like i said in my post if im wrong by what iam saying it is because i know my own laws and what my state cops do and i dont go around researching everything that other states and their cops do. I have two friends that are police officers and they both told me that a company tows offenders cars back to the police impound and thats where they stay not back to a towing companys yard.
Also my other post which is recent what the hell did i say wrong in that?!
I wasnt baggin the cops i said that its the stupid hoons that are ruining it for the rest of us if you wanna misinterupt what i said then thats your own mistake. I Also said that if they police can defect a parked car without gaining access then where is the limit? I think that is a fair question to be asked! So where have i bagged the cops this time, i think clearly you are mistaken. Also everytime i post something on here your very quick off the mark to jump on my case,do yourself a favour and get a life

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

Tonko you rave on the same crap every thread about how if your doing nothing wrong dont worry blah blah bloody blah its not as simple as that as half the story's on this site testify, hoon laws are bullshit and so are the cops who abuse them and i would expect cops to get money the same way they have forever which is from our tax money we pay to the government not by pining hoons who accidentally crunch third or do some will spin of the line, because as the figuers show the road toll has dropped by atleast half not. the end NEXT.

If, for example you do a little skid at some lights, and get pulled over, its all about attitude, whether the road is greasy, wet or an accident (which is easy enough to avoid) and if you explain that then im sure you will leave with your car.
How would you like it if some idiot comes around a bend sideways, almost sideswiping your car and being able to drive home, ready to face court in a few months where, in the meantime he/she is able to drive around freely and put others at risk? i dont want that, but apparently you are fine with it.

You strike me as the sort of person with a bad attitude towards coppers and this would get you into more trouble...

I do, however agree about it not reducing the road toll, but it has stopped alot of on the road, many of which i know, and they have tamed down alot.

I have no problem with people going out to a quiet road to do a few skids at least they are not endangering other people, only themselves.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

bull$#!t... it's more than worth a try and at the end of the day if it saves one life it was worth doing.

Cant see how, there are plenty of places to take your car and enjoy it off road already (Calder, Heathcote etc etc..) and it hasnt made any difference, what's one more track going to do? The problem is ATTITUDE to the laws and RESPECT of the laws, not lack of opportunity... Are you seriously telling me that people break the law because of an irrepresible uncontrollable urge????? I'll bet anything 95% of the people that the police are targeting are too tight to pay the admission price to a track, their cars wouldnt pass a tech inspection and would find the track rules and conditions of use "too restrictive" as well...
Or.. may very well already use Calder yet continue to drive like tools...

[Tuddy200]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Cant see how, there are plenty of places to take your car and enjoy it off road already (Calder, Heathcote etc etc..) and it hasnt made any difference, what's one more track going to do? The problem is ATTITUDE to the laws and RESPECT of the laws, not lack of opportunity... Are you seriously telling me that people break the law because of an irrepresible uncontrollable urge????? I'll bet anything 95% of the people that the police are targeting are too tight to pay the admission price to a track, their cars wouldnt pass a tech inspection and would find the track rules and conditions of use "too restrictive" as well...

Nope, for me it's petrol prices and the distance to get to any of these places. Also with these laws, i'm likily to get pulled over 5 times before I get there because I have P Plates on.

3KM to the main street or 200+ to the nearest drag facility and I live in Ballarat. Which must also be up there in the top suburbs list without a doubt!

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by G.J.Tuddy

Nope, for me it's petrol prices and the distance to get to any of these places. Also with these laws, i'm likily to get pulled over 5 times before I get there because I have P Plates on.

3KM to the main street or 200+ to the nearest drag facility and I live in Ballarat. Which must also be up there in the top suburbs list without a doubt!

I think you need to seriously ask yourself what is it about your car or driving style that attracts so much attention them.
I know plenty of P platers who NEVER get hassled..

Also, what is it that you want to do with your car that you cant do legally at the moment?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Cant see how, there are plenty of places to take your car and enjoy it off road already (Calder, Heathcote etc etc..) and it hasnt made any difference, what's one more track going to do? The problem is ATTITUDE to the laws and RESPECT of the laws, not lack of opportunity... Are you seriously telling me that people break the law because of an irrepresible uncontrollable urge????? I'll bet anything 95% of the people that the police are targeting are too tight to pay the admission price to a track, their cars wouldnt pass a tech inspection and would find the track rules and conditions of use "too restrictive" as well...

If they are too tight, then it should be made more affordable (We all know Mr bracks can afford it with the $$$ he makes of us road users), yes there are tracks already but both are on the one side of melbourne and the SE side has been waiting for a venue for god knows how long.

If the cars arn't roadworthy then maybe the police instead of targeting people for being one Db over the limit in his V8 or Import with thousands spent on it should target all the $#!Tbox's that blow oil all over the road, have tyres from the early 90's and more rust than most paddoc wrecks.

Im on the road every day running around the latrobe valley and there isn't a day when i see don't of these accidents waiting to happen, but usually most days i see the unmarked HWY patrol cars following the guy in a XR or a Sports model commodore not because they are doing something wrong but because "They could" while the guy who has no brakes and is blowing smoke in the 70's corolla gets ignored as the HWY car goes cruising past.

Im not bagging the police as i respect them and there job and one day within the next 3 years i intend on joining myself, but when i see this revenue raising and stalking going on every day, when the real death traps keep getting waved on by, it makes me frustrated and lose respect for my local officers.

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think you need to seriously ask yourself what is it about your car or driving style that attracts so much attention them.
I know plenty of P platers who NEVER get hassled..

Also, what is it that you want to do with your car that you cant do legally at the moment?

I rarely get hassled (Usually only followed for 10-15mins : ) and i drive a black XR8, for the guys on here whinging about the police attention maybe stop driving like D!cks and they will leave you alone, for those that get followed for having a decent car i understand where you are coming from.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

If they are too tight, then it should be made more affordable (We all know Mr bracks can afford it with the $$$ he makes of us road users), yes there are tracks already but both are on the one side of melbourne and the SE side has been waiting for a venue for god knows how long.
.

Welcome to the real world!!! EVERYTHING comes at a price! Even at off road venues there are tens of thousands of dollars in costs to be covered, and insurance to be paid, and strict rules and conditions of use to be followed to conform with said insurance, which would probably prohibit 90% of what people wanted to do in the first place!
Personally i wouldnt like my tax dollars been spent of subsidising this to be honest, id be happy to pay $40, $60 or even $100 to use a facility once and a while (DECA in shep is avaliable too at a fee with skid pan???), there are more important things like ROAD infrastructure and reducing road congestion to make driving more enjoyable and less time consuming and stressful in the first place.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Welcome to the real world!!! EVERYTHING comes at a price! Even at off road venues there are tens of thousands of dollars in costs to be covered, and insurance to be paid, and strict rules and conditions of use to be followed to conform with said insurance, which would probably prohibit 90% of what people wanted to do in the first place!
Personally i wouldnt like my tax dollars been spent of subsidising this to be honest, id be happy to pay $40, $60 or even $100 to use a facility once and a while (DECA in shep is avaliable too at a fee with skid pan???), there are more important things like ROAD infrastructure and reducing road congestion to make driving more enjoyable and less time consuming and stressful in the first place.

I agree you tax should go wherever they see fit, but the most approprate spot to put money from speeding motorists is to reward those who do the right thing with off street venues or atleast upgrading those currently there. (Been on the calder return road recently!)

As whats with the "welcome to the real world" i would have thought the govenment would realise not all of these 'Hoons' are rich daddys boy's driving BMW's alot of these guy cannot afford or have the time to travel all the to the other side of the city, i know for me to go to calder and back for the night it usually comes in around $180 not exactly a cheap night.

Making these off the steet venues more accessable is a way on cracking down on the real , if Sandown (or a drag complex in the SE) is open on friday or saterday nights, and you are caught being an idiot on the road then crack down hard on them, but untill these places are easier to get to and cheaper to attend the govenment isn't helping the situation.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

I agree you tax should go wherever they see fit, but the most approprate spot to put money from speeding motorists is to reward those who do the right thing with off street venues or atleast upgrading those currently there. (Been on the calder return road recently!)

As whats with the "welcome to the real world" i would have thought the govenment would realise not all of these 'Hoons' are rich daddys boy's driving BMW's alot of these guy cannot afford or have the time to travel all the to the other side of the city, i know for me to go to calder and back for the night it usually comes in around $180 not exactly a cheap night.

Making these off the steet venues more accessable is a way on cracking down on the real , if Sandown (or a drag complex in the SE) is open on friday or saterday nights, and you are caught being an idiot on the road then crack down hard on them, but untill these places are easier to get to and cheaper to attend the govenment isn't helping the situation.

It might frighten you to know that a senior traffic cop once told me that there was more of a hoon issue within 30 mins drive of Calder late on fri night after calder closed than on other nights.... they believed that Calder gave them a "taste" and they kept it going afterwards..

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

It might frighten you to know that a senior traffic cop once told me that there was more of a hoon issue within 30 mins drive of Calder late on fri night after calder closed than on other nights.... they believed that Calder gave them a "taste" and they kept it going afterwards..

Doesn't suprise me in the slightest, but whats the solution to this activity on the street?

Option 1 - Do nothing but more regulations, restrictions and fines, only creating an entire generation to hate and disrespect the police more than they do now

Or...

Option 2 - open up Sandown, and see if it makes a positive change if not, then don't bother with it any more, if so then keep the gates open, hell that was hard wasn't it... oh but wait a second the government didn't get money out of that option.

[BigBastard]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Personally i wouldnt like my tax dollars been spent of subsidising this to be honest, id be happy to pay $40, $60 or even $100 to use a facility once and a while (DECA in shep is avaliable too at a fee with skid pan???), there are more important things like ROAD infrastructure and reducing road congestion to make driving more enjoyable and less time consuming and stressful in the first place.

DECA is a great place but i am not willing to drive 2-3 hours one way for it (petrol, food, entry fee, mileage etc.. it all adds up).
Hence Sandown been central to a lot of the surrounding suburbs is a great location, Calder Park is also far away.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by BigBastard

DECA is a great place but i am not willing to drive 2-3 hours one way for it (petrol, food, entry fee, mileage etc.. it all adds up).
Hence Sandown been central to a lot of the surrounding suburbs is a great location, Calder Park is also far away.

Agreed 2.5hour drive for me, have to knock off work by 2pm on a friday to make it worth going.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Doesn't suprise me in the slightest, but whats the solution to this activity on the street?

Option 1 - Do nothing but more regulations, restrictions and fines, only creating an entire generation to hate and disrespect the police more than they do now

Or...

Option 2 - open up Sandown, and see if it makes a positive change if not, then don't bother with it any more, if so then keep the gates open, hell that was hard wasn't it... oh but wait a second the government didn't get money out of that option.

Im not suggesting right or wrong here, but there is a school of thought amongst allot of people that opening up sandown may in fact make the problem worse...
Its a difficult one.