not wearing P plates loses your lisence??

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by dom_105

Ditto

What gets me though is the fact that if you appeal, you then can't appeal for the next 5 years, even if the original appeal is successful.

For example, take that chick that got done for speeding on Citylink in her Datsun when the car couldn't possibly do the speed she was doing (it was a few years ago, bit vague on the details). She appeals, gets off, but can't appeal for 5 years (if in fact that is the rule in Victoria)

Im just guessing, but I think the appeal they are talking about is the penalty, not the offence. Basically you accept the offence was committed, but the penalty would blah blah, so please have mercy on me kind of thing.

What youre talking about in your example is appealing the offence itself. Which would be another matter and not limited to one every 5 yrs.


I think the datto youre referring to was a 120y, they tested it at Calder and maxed at <120km/h. She was allegedly clocked at 160+. Yet somehow the view by government was cameras were still reliable.

[BOOSTDEF]

They also clocked a fully loaded semi doing 130+ uphill.

Thats pretty funny!!

With regards to the fine, 137 in a 100 zone on your Ps, without your P plates, you really dont have any excuse. However, you will most likely get a work license if you are in the situation you say you are.

[TE50 027]

You've also got to remember to take them down again if anyone on an open licence also drives the car. My old man got a $300 on the spot fine and lost 2 points for displaying P plates on a open licence when I'd forgotten to take one down after I'd driven his car about 10 years ago in SA. Bummer.

Hope an appeal works for you mate.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by JG66ME

Just so glad I am not a young person in this country these days.

agreed. its just gone too far. i got pulled over for the exact same thing when i was on my p's about 13 or so years ago. it was one of the ones with the little suction cup that the p plate hangs off. motorbike cop pulled me over and did me for not having it displayed. front one was up. rear one was lying on the parcel shelf with the suction cup as it had lost its suck, so to speak. fine was $40 odd and no points.

[Tuddy200]

P Plate insights. If we had to cough up $100 everytime we were pulled up for not having P Plates up, then we'd have them up. However, we take the risk of leaving them down now as it is, because we aren't allowed to drive this or that or are just pulled over so often with even a hint of a modified car, like just the exhaust.

[HOON69]

you automatically lose your licence over a P plate

yet a drunk driver can drive until they go to court


yep fair system isnt it.

[Ridin-High]

Originally Posted by davway

isnt it the drivers responsibility to make sure there are P plates up if you have to display them?
isnt it the drivers responsibility to make sure you carry a license?
isnt it also the drivers responsibility to make sure all passengers have their seat belts on?
shall i go on?
making sure you have P plates displayed is a part of your license conditions in which you broke, just like if you had have had a swig of Jimmy and went for a drive.
try the appeal, you should get it.

mate that is the most rediculous comment.

The serverty of the 2 is completly different, you are basically saying Murder is the same as littering. For a man to loose his license over such a trival matter and in that lose his job and become homeless is a bloody disgrace.

As for the topic starter, take it to court and represent urself, you will prolly get off with a section 10 (warning). I don't know the rules in relation to use of good judgement for police, but the dude sounds like a tool

[EA Bogan]

hmm, the policeman seemd to be quite calm and even amused when he booked me, i slowed down and stopped IMMEDIATELY when he falshed his lights and high-beams at me, i did not argue with him, i was polite and courteous, did not contest the fine, payed it immediately, and i was not commiting any other offense or breaking any road rules, i was driving safely and efficiently as i always do when im working, its my job after all and i strive to be good at it. Im going through utter hell on earth right now, im getting all forms of proof i posibly can that it would destory my life if i lost my lisence (which it certainly would). I am still utterly stunned that the penalty for forgetting to wear my plates in no ill intent is WORSE (6 months disqualification vs 3) than if i drove stoned off my face (which i never have and never will) and had a fiftyfold chance of crashing or killing someone!

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by EA Bogan

i had forgotten to put them on after i used them on another car

Pi$$ poor excuse! Did you remember to put clean socks on.... or did you forget because you had a different pair on yesterday?????

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by EA Bogan

i have no idea why i was pulled over, i was driving with the cruise controll on 60 km/h, they pulled me over just randomly. I have never been booked or even warned for anything else

Take a long trip back in time to 1979 & there I was having just washed my Escort Panel Van decided to take a drive a few blocks away & get some fuel.

Ok got the fuel, on my way home doing the posted speed & see a HWY Patrol in the rear view mirror, all of a sudden I remembered
my Magnetic P plates were on the front lawn where I had left them after washing the car.

OMG I thought while he followed me to just around the corner from my place & then pulled me over.
He asked where my P Plates were to which I told him the truth that I had washed the Car & forgot to place them on it when going to get Petrol.

He just laughed at me & handed me the ticket, 3 months no Licence & had to do another Driving test to get it back.

I even told him if he wanted to come around the corner he would see the Garden Hose still running (did not matter in those days) however he did not care.

I did not lose my Job, but only because I walked or took a Taxi if it was raining Heavy etc....

Did I think it was unfair yes at the time however looking back now think it was a fair punishment as even though was an Honest mistake was my responsability to make sure they were on the Car.

[danieleast]

Originally Posted by DJL351

Pi$$ poor excuse! Did you remember to put clean socks on.... or did you forget because you had a different pair on yesterday?????

dude that isnt an 'excuse' its a reason id say. i take the work van and take my dads car and dont give any thought to having P plates up because you are used too having them up.

the reason isnt the point here i dont think, its the fact this poor bloke could end up homeless for forgetting to put 2 pieces of plastic up. where he is probably a better driver than half the witts out there who are on full licence. eg. old people, slow drivers, etc.

[Van D]

Originally Posted by davway

making sure you have P plates displayed is a part of your license conditions in which you broke, just like if you had have had a swig of Jimmy and went for a drive.

Except having a swig of jimmy puts yours and others lives at risk :

[huggiebear]

alot of people are missing the point here. he was told NO POINTS but then finds he looses his license.. does it state anything on the ticket? when i got done everything was listed on the fines

[EA Bogan]

i got a form from Pizza hut that says i work there and i need my lisence to continue doing so. My manager tells me its been done dozens of times before it worked every time so far, and a guy sucesfully appealed with this form when he was doing 180 km/h in an 80 zone on the Grove way..if he gets to keep his lisence im pretty certain they will also let me keep it, im a little less worried now.

[danieleast]

Originally Posted by EA Bogan

i got a form from Pizza hut that says i work there and i need my lisence to continue doing so. My manager tells me its been done dozens of times before it worked every time so far, and a guy sucesfully appealed with this form when he was doing 180 km/h in an 80 zone on the Grove way..if he gets to keep his lisence im pretty certain they will also let me keep it, im a little less worried now.

see champ no need to get all worked up is there.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by EA Bogan

i got a form from Pizza hut that says i work there and i need my lisence to continue doing so. My manager tells me its been done dozens of times before it worked every time so far, and a guy sucesfully appealed with this form when he was doing 180 km/h in an 80 zone on the Grove way..if he gets to keep his lisence im pretty certain they will also let me keep it, im a little less worried now.

I don't know how hard I'd be pushing the... 'I need my licence to work as a pizza delivery boy otherwise I'll be ruined and homeless...' line.

I also don't buy the 180kph in an 80 zone guy who got let off. Fight the power by all means, but if losing a job at pizza hut means you'll end up ruined and homeless, perhaps you should look into other career opportunities. The pizza delivery business is a fickle mistress.

[la2or]

Originally Posted by Van D

Except having a swig of jimmy puts yours and others lives at risk :

i think the P plates are meant for people to be more cautious around them.

[T_Terror]

Contact the policeman and ask him for clarification.

Not 100% on NSW laws, but i dont think not putting up your P-platers is an offence that carries licence suspension.

Only recently has it had points attached to it.


I remember the good old days, when you could just avoid putting up the plates and copped a fine of $50, as long as you worked hard you could keep up with it and avoid being hassled unnecessarily.


Good luck, i think there has been a mistake somewhere if what you are saying is true.

[discus177]

Lucky to be in Queensland as of a few months ago, been here for 8 years now. Got my P's before 1st July as did my mates, and we don't wear provisional plates as we dont have an obligation to do so, with that being said, we've all been pulled over numerous times for licence checks etc, and the police officers have not ever had a problem with us not wearing P plates, did not even mention it after having a clear look at our licences.

I think the NSW system is far too restrictive, i can't comprehend it. I hope you do get your licence back, to avoid losing your home etc, but i advise you look for a better paying job in the near future! I was a supervisor with Eagle Boys for 2.5 years, and the money was quite poor to say the least. I do suggest you perhaps apply for a job within the aviation industry as i have, standard rate for positions at Brisbane Airport are in excess of $17 an hour that is just for the BAC [Brisbane Airport Corp] car wash. Plus i'm doing my pilots licence for my career which creates alot of enthusiasm for both. But i urge you to find a better paying job.

The sky is always blue above the clouds! GOOD LUCK!

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by T_Terror

Contact the policeman and ask him for clarification.

Not 100% on NSW laws, but i dont think not putting up your P-platers is an offence that carries licence suspension.

Only recently has it had points attached to it.


I remember the good old days, when you could just avoid putting up the plates and copped a fine of $50, as long as you worked hard you could keep up with it and avoid being hassled unnecessarily.


Good luck, i think there has been a mistake somewhere if what you are saying is true.

I lost 2 points for not having a P plate on the rear of my car while pulling out of a nightclub carpark (and likely having someone rip it off) in 1987. IIRC, P platers had 4 points back then so it was half my licence.

[EA2BA]

I suggest people read the SA handbook it clearly states loss of licence, and does NOT say you lose points.

Originally Posted by EA2BA

Here are the rules, you broke it fair and square sorry to say:

http://www.lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch09s06.php

I qoute:

P1 provisional licence
CONDITIONS:

- must not drive a motor vehicle or attempt to put a motor vehicle in motion when there is any concentration of alcohol in their blood or prescribed drugs in their blood or oral fluid
- must not drive a motor vehicle at a speed exceeding 10 km/h or more of any speed limit under the Road Traffic Act or exceed the 100 km/h speed limit prescribed under the Motor Vehicles Act
- must not accumulate 4 or more demerit points during the Provisional licence period
- must display prescribed P plates when driving
- must carry licence at all times when driving
TIME HELD
A Provisional (P1) licence must be held for a minimum period of 2 years but a driver can fast track to a P2 licence if they have not accumulated any demerit points in the first 12 months, by completing the Hazard Perception Test.

BREACH OF P1 CONDITIONS
disqualification from driving for 6 months, and
cancellation of the licence

[Keepleft]

The actual SA Driver Manual is here:- (Pdf 2.2mb).

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/...d_feb_2007.pdf

P plates serve to signal other road users your actual on-road experience status. Always ensure they are fitted per the 'conditions-of-license' as applied in your state. Do NOT be 'embarassed' to display them!

EABogan, let us know how you go, having paid the fine - you should receive correspondence that will outline your next steps. It is appropriate in your case to attempt appeal.

[EA Bogan]

re:P plates serve to signal other road users your actual on-road experience status

I do not mean to be rude or ignorant but while generally true, it is also a huge cashcow for the government for people who simply forget like i did. I cant believe how grossly dishonest the government and the department of transport is about its underhanded ways of catching people off guard to make more money. That is their purpouse, they could not care less if a guy on his full unrestriced lisence drives stoned off his face and is generally unskilled and incompetent a driver, or wether an experienced professional driver and enthusiast such as myslef simply forgets to change plates after driving another car. They certainly love generalizing, assuming that the vast majority of P platers are not only hoons nazis and child molesters, irresponsible and reckless on the roads, but also completely clueless about the road rules and vehicle controll, literally out of controll, clueless juvenile delinquents. Since it is now much harder to aquire a lisence with all these compulsary hours and such, i daresay current P platers are much better drivers than they were 10 or 20 years ago. Why then is the government slamming down on them harder and harder? The ancwer is simple. There are now double the amount of P platers than there were 10 years ago, so they have to keep up their arrest quoatas, keep the money coming in more and more from fines, and make ALL P platers look bad.

[Hybrid34]

yeah its a regulation, getting a fine, i can understand and agree....but loosing your license because of something so pety like that? is obsured, it will be like a full license person getting their license suspended because they didn't bring it with them (or forgot) when the poped down to get some milk at the milk bar whilst getting pulled over....
laws these days are becoming a political joke!
-ash

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by T_Terror

Contact the policeman and ask him for clarification.
I remember the good old days, when you could just avoid putting up the plates and copped a fine of $50,

You mean like the Good Old Days of 1979 when I lost my Licence for 3 months for not displaying P Plates lol or before that?

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by EA Bogan

re:P plates serve to signal other road users your actual on-road experience status

I do not mean to be rude or ignorant but while generally true, it is also a huge cashcow for the government for people who simply forget like i did. I cant believe how grossly dishonest the government and the department of transport is about its underhanded ways of catching people off guard to make more money.

What was underhanded about the way you were caught not displaying your P's? If it were a cashcow, they wouldn't suspend your licence for not displaying P's but whack you with a nice fat fine, sit back and wait for you to not display your P's again.

You weren't displaying them, the laws are clearly stated, at least cop it on the chin.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by EA Bogan

re:P plates serve to signal other road users your actual on-road experience status

I do not mean to be rude or ignorant but while generally true, it is also a huge cashcow for the government for people who simply forget like i did. I cant believe how grossly dishonest the government and the department of transport is about its underhanded ways of catching people off guard to make more money. That is their purpouse, they could not care less if a guy on his full unrestriced lisence drives stoned off his face and is generally unskilled and incompetent a driver, or wether an experienced professional driver and enthusiast such as myslef simply forgets to change plates after driving another car. They certainly love generalizing, assuming that the vast majority of P platers are not only hoons nazis and child molesters, irresponsible and reckless on the roads, but also completely clueless about the road rules and vehicle controll, literally out of controll, clueless juvenile delinquents. Since it is now much harder to aquire a lisence with all these compulsary hours and such, i daresay current P platers are much better drivers than they were 10 or 20 years ago. Why then is the government slamming down on them harder and harder? The ancwer is simple. There are now double the amount of P platers than there were 10 years ago, so they have to keep up their arrest quoatas, keep the money coming in more and more from fines, and make ALL P platers look bad.

Yeah the whole licence system is a crock.

The most dangerous is having your L plates is on because you get every in town trying to scare you into crashing.

On your red P's when you can only do 90 you get people abusing you on the highway for doing 90 and in the same light cops following you waiting for you to go 91.

Going for my Green P's was so annoying that I simply could not read the book anymore it said "as an inexperienced driver you should go down to a local roundabout or intersection and observe how drivers handle these situations.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm seeing as my local intersections are covered in broken headlights and half the cars in town seem to have scuff marks on them should I be paying attention to how they drive????


Government needs to make up it's mind as to what is the big killer speeding or not displaying p plates. OMG I did 110 the other day and forgot to put my p plates on I'm a freakin menace to society.

Seriously though kid i know at uni nicest nerd you will ever meet never gone over the limit and never broke any rules copped a massive fine the other day for not displaying p plates properly. Since he wasn't "popular" some college kids flogged his p plates and the only reason the cops got him because he still had p plates on the windows of the car.

How crap is that? $250 for having p plates stuck inside the car instead of under the numberplates. Obviously they weren't obscured if the cops picked it up.

[huggiebear]

geeze im glad im in QLD... i have my P's located in the windows as no one sells those plastic P plates to go in the holders beside the numberplates (everyone sells holders tho :S ) i had cops follow me a few times and never got pulled over for it.

also in QLD L and P drivers are allowed to do the speed limit, none of this 80 and 90 K crap... no wonder you all get abused

[Keepleft]

sleekism wrote: - - Yeah the whole licence system is a crock.

Compared to what exactly?

The most dangerous is having your L plates is on because you get everyone in town trying to scare you into crashing.

Yes, there are A holes - but your way off pack here, not all of us are a-holes.

On your red P's when you can only do 90 you get people abusing you on the highway for doing 90 and in the same light cops following you waiting for you to go 91.

Cops doing that sort of thing is an age old AUS culture thing, don't play the game.

I personally agree that having P1 & P2 license category speed-limits are unwise, but I'd/you'd/we - be in the minority.

Going for my Green P's was so annoying that I simply could not read the book anymore it said "as an inexperienced driver you should go down to a local roundabout or intersection and observe how drivers handle these situations.

That is a lesson typically on how NOT to use a roundabout:-) We have far to few HWP police. The Road Users Handbook has in fact - much practical advice, 'defensive' stuff that will actually help you.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm seeing as my local intersections are covered in broken headlights and half the cars in town seem to have scuff marks on them should I be paying attention to how they drive????

Yes, avoid them.

Government needs to make up it's mind as to what is the big killer speeding or not displaying p plates.

You miss the point the P plates serve, again, to signal to other traffic your experience to date.

OMG I did 110 the other day and forgot to put my p plates on I'm a freakin menace to society.

Happens a lot, but has consequences $$ etc.

Seriously though kid i know at uni nicest nerd you will ever meet never gone over the limit and never broke any rules copped a massive fine the other day for not displaying p plates properly. Since he wasn't "popular" some college kids flogged his p plates and the only reason the cops got him because he still had p plates on the windows of the car.

How crap is that? $250 for having p plates stuck inside the car instead of under the numberplates. Obviously they weren't obscured if the cops picked it up.

You CAN display a P plate on the inside windscreen BUT must also display one at the front (and rear). Always carry a few spares in the glovebox.

Some cops might caution, some will enforce to the letter, preferring to not be dobbed in later for not doing their duty.

I do support the graduated licensing system now being harmonised throughout Australia. Much of it was adopted from EU and some of that is now being used in U.S 'States' as GLS!

The emphasis is on the defensive driver component.

Your job as a P1-P2 driver in particular is to NEVER be involved with police. Treat them as being HEP C carriers, stay away from them, 'stealth' is good.

[huggiebear]

if you do what i do you will be fine. put the window ones up perminently and slap the magnettic on aswell so that way if the magnetic ones are stolen then you are atleast covered partly if the cops go by