October 08 V-facts

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by XR6_190

True Ford had a pretty lousy year last year, when everybody else was having a good one, now it seems to be the opposite.

Remember raw figures don't mean as much as market share, and this month Ford would have had an improved market share, which is a good thing.

I think the most important thing of all is whether they're making a profit from the sales. It's no good flogging off a whole lot of stock to not make any money off it. I guess this is one statistic we will never see in V-Facts.

[Sorted]

Well even with all the Doom and Gloom on these forums and by the media in general Ford is up with sales - must be doing something right even with their nearly non - existent advertising

Good to see the Focus make some improvement.

And as most of the knowledgeable Members on AFF have said before, it’s not just Ford that are having a tough time its all manufacturers - numbers don’t lie

PS thanks for the Facts Update RATT

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Am i reading this correct: Holden Commodore 3,810 V 4,440 last year, down 630 units yet 1400 od units of that are the Commodore Hatch? the sedan is coping a hiding at the expense of the Hatch.
Not 1 single incremental sale from this new model.

Yep. Basically just stealing sales off itself.

[whales]

Anyone notice that the Holden ute and 4x4 Colorado/Rodeo were the only models to increase in sales where as in Fords line up Falcon, Falcon Ute, Focus, Focus Cabriolet, Mondeo,4x2 Ranger,Transit and Transit C/C all increased in sales. I think Ford will be reasonably happy with this result.
Pity about Terri but expected when it's been around so long with out update

[Gobes32]

I think it's a fantastic result. Honestly, how many people had thoughts of a new car on their mind in the last four weeks? To be able to maintain your sales amidst a ' global financial crisis ' is amazing.

[Swordsman88]

Year on year numbers have made Ford look a bit better than it really is because of a pretty poor last year (focus/falcon in particular from memory weren't too good). But even so, ford has been steadilly gainig market share in most segements (except tezza) and overall as a result. Hell even Fiesta has a bit higher sales this year and it is on the way out, though it was down this month.

I think the quality of product with ford has started to make some inroads, if people are struggling for cahs you ain't going to see as many aspirational sales necessarily and they are after quality at a good price. Ford stands to gain here as holden has a pretty mediocre lineup at present (and is discounting like crazy) and toyota launched all it new stuff last year.

Do you have numbers for Mitsu Ratt? I'd like to see how they are going.

[GORDZ]

global financial crisis seems to have missed me... my wages didn't go down and fuel is also going down, as are interest rates... granted i'm not in the fincancial sector, but strike me down if i can name any direct financial pressure placed on me by this 'crisis'

[vztrt]

It would be good to see the year so far results. I think its near the end of the excell sheet.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by RATT

Ford- 08 v 07
Ford Escape 132 174
Ford F250 4X2 3 9
Ford Fairlane 14 95
Ford Falcon 2,747 2,439
Ford Falcon Ute 1,071 1,005
Ford Fiesta 402 453
Ford Focus 1,387 984
Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 55 19
Ford Mondeo 318 277
Ford Ranger 4X2 680 647
Ford Ranger 4X4 651 722
Ford Territory 809 1,190
Ford Transit 212 125
Ford Transit Bus 18 30
Ford Transit C/C 68 36
Ford Total 8,567 8,206 (up 4.4%)

went for a mine and dug out the september sales figures.
Ford
2008 v 2007
Ford Escape 117 261
Ford F250 4X2 1 2
Ford Fairlane 3 126
Ford Falcon 3,123 2,852
Ford Falcon Ute 1,149 1,054
Ford Fiesta 381 377
Ford Focus 1,165 1,415
Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 36 0
Ford Mondeo 441 0
Ford Ranger 4X2 653 562
Ford Ranger 4X4 579 637
Ford Territory 933 1,273
Ford Transit 226 148
Ford Transit Bus 28 45
Ford Transit C/C 45 53
Total 8,880 8,818 (Up 0.7%)

[prydey]

Originally Posted by RATT

Holden
Holden Adventra 0 4
Holden Astra 1,067 1,118
Holden Astra Convertible 58 95
Holden Barina 855 1,056
Holden Caprice 119 218
Holden Captiva 785 1,093
Holden Colorado 4X2 560 0
Holden Colorado 4X4 913 0
Holden Combo 77 87
Holden Commodore 3,810 4,440
Holden Epica 302 320
Holden Monaro 0 7
Holden Rodeo 4X2 82 716
Holden Rodeo 4X4 84 751
Holden Statesman 80 182
Holden Utility 4X2 970 877
Holden Viva 409 451
Holden Total 10,171 11,415 (down 10.9%)

and again with holden

Holden 2008 - 2007
Holden Adventra 0 21
Holden Astra 1,292 1,441
Holden Astra Convertible 89 142
Holden Barina 723 1,067
Holden Caprice 89 203
Holden Captiva 818 836 7
Holden Colorado 4X2 451 0
Holden Colorado 4X4 656 0
Holden Combo 77 99
Holden Commodore 4,462 4,525
Holden Epica 295 357
Holden Monaro 0 7
Holden Rodeo 4X2 66 727
Holden Rodeo 4X4 107 806
Holden Statesman 187 295
Holden Utility 4X2 914 434
Holden Viva 405 670
Holden 10,631 11,632 (down 8.6%)

falcon is down on last month but nowhere near as much as commodore!!

[russellw]

The first part of the monthly graphical analysis of the data is up now and can be found HERE with the rest up later today.

Cheers
Russ

[Burnout]

Massive amount of work Russell.

Interesting; Ford FG is lifting, which is commendable in the current marketplace.

[aston]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

I think it's a fantastic result. Honestly, how many people had thoughts of a new car on their mind in the last four weeks? To be able to maintain your sales amidst a ' global financial crisis ' is amazing.

Umm....Me for one. One of the Focus sales was my LV Focus XR5 Turbo.
:

[XR8putts]

Good work Ford, lets hope you can keep it up.

Now we wait for the Media to praise Ford Aus for a fantastic result considering whats going on around them.. who am I kidding?

[RATT]

% Market Share Oct 08 v Oct 07
Toyota 23.6 22.6
Holden 12.9 12.8
Ford 10.8 9.2
Mazda 7.0 8.1
Nissan 6.6 5.0
Honda 6.5 5.7
Hyundai 3.8 5.2
Subaru 3.4 3.7
Volkswagen 2.6 2.5
Suzuki 2.6 2.2
BMW 2.0 1.8

[russellw]

The supplementary data is now uploaded as well and can be found HERE

Cheers
Russ

[XR Martin]

RATT your figures arnt matching VFACTS figures?

prydey figures are correct....
http://www./vfacts/main.html

[buggerlugs]

Hate to be a Ssanyong Car salesman...................

[DanielXR8]

When you look at Ratts excellent data and the trends, I think it is far from appropriate for Ford or its fans to be patting themselves on the back for a good month. With the exception of Focus, the trend for all other Fords is down.

Wether they are going down faster or slower then Holden or what they declined by in comparison with the same cars performance last year is basically irrelevant. If you are in the business of making and selling cars, you need a trend pointing up for your product. Thats still not happening unfortunately. Creditors have no interest in people pointing at other car brands in trouble and saying "they are worse". You still need to make money or close shop. Basics of business.

Since I don't want a FWD Falcon made in the US and shipped here, I had been hoping Ford Australia would really capitlise on the Holden Commodores troubles, but is simply isn't happening at anywhere near the degree needed to ensure the local Fords future.

Dan

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

When you look at Ratts excellent data and the trends, I think it is far from appropriate for Ford or its fans to be patting themselves on the back for a good month. With the exception of Focus, the trend for all other Fords is down.

Wether they are going down faster or slower then Holden or what they declined by in comparison with the same cars performance last year is basically irrelevant. If you are in the business of making and selling cars, you need a trend pointing up for your product. Thats still not happening unfortunately. Creditors have no interest in people pointing at other car brands in trouble and saying "they are worse". You still need to make money or close shop. Basics of business.

Since I don't want a FWD Falcon made in the US and shipped here, I had been hoping Ford Australia would really capitlise on the Holden Commodores troubles, but is simply isn't happening at anywhere near the degree needed to ensure the local Fords future.

Dan

HUH?? been watching the news at all????? :
To show any form of positive growth at the moment is not only against the entire world wide automotive industry trend, but against world wide economic trends in general....

[russellw]

Just to show that it really makes little difference how we are doing against the red corner opposition, here is a little combo chart that looks at the average monthly sales for the lead seller in each segment and then compares the respective models from Ford and Holden with that number. Neither is anything brilliant.



To take that a step further, let's look at the sales numbers for last October.



With the exception of 4x2 Utes, all other segments are down, some quite substantially.

Cheers
Russ

[ea90gl]

Must be them G6E/G6E-T's selling like hotcakes, not sure about anyone else but I'm seeing plenty out on the roads then thinking damn wish it was me behind the wheel they are nice machines

[RATT]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

RATT your figures arnt matching VFACTS figures?

prydey figures are correct....
http://www./vfacts/main.html

"My" figures are vfacts own. No modifications!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by RATT

"My" figures are vfacts own. No modifications!

i merely copied and pasted your figures so i'm a bit confused as to how they could be different.

i was just comparing them to sept 08 instead of oct 07. maybe someone thought i was posting different figures of 0ct 08??

[snappy]

I just find hard to believe that toyota sold 4 thousand hilux's

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Hate to be a Ssanyong Car salesman...................

Be an easy job, although boring, and little chance of commission.

On a different topic...how the hell could the Captiva sell more than the Territory?
Don't people know what they buy nowadays?

[ThePistonHead]

I want to know why on earth Mazda is doing so poorly? They have a very good new car range which has won many car reviews against similar competition.

I thought they would've been going fantastic particularly with the 6.

[XRtowcar]

Captiva buyers are silly enough to think its a Holden built in Australia.

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Captiva buyers are silly enough to think its a Holden built in Australia.

So I guess that's a "no" to my question?

[uranium_death]

I think the Mazda 6 is a little pricey for what you get. It is a nice car however.

For a car in the same segment, people seem to flock towards the Camry.

Tragic, though understandable, based on Toyota's reputation of reliability. Style doesn't matter to many.