Jeep Plans Luxury Model to Target Mercedes SUVs, Range Rover

[chrisandsharon]

My mother has had the WH Grand Cherokee for 6 years - No problems - still got it.

My father has the latest WK model top of the range - No dramas.

The WH was used to tow a 2.6 ton van with never a drama.
The WK has since taken over the towing duties with no dramas.

His WK blew me away with the fitout.......made our Toyota Kakadu look like an absolute 100 year old poverty pack.

Talking about vehicle dramas though - brother has just had a problem on his Santa Fe diagnosed.........$4000 gearbox rebuild needed - right in the middle of them building a house.

There's always a horror story no matter what.........I've never taken notice of any of them no matter who is the source. Nissan/Toyota etc - they've all had dramas. I wonder how many original 3 litre GU Nissan Patrols are still going strong at 150000? I could tell a story of the unbrakeable Hilux that ended our Canning Stock Route trip......does it mean all of them are lemons-no.

[SumoDog68]

Judging a brand reliability based on sample of one or two units is always going to be tricky affair. Pattern of usage differs a lot between customers and what some consider good run ( 5 dealship visits a year for warranty repairs) some class as a disaster.
Only ones who can really comment are manufacturers themselves ( they obviously won't do that) or specialized repairers who see enough of a same model /make to be able to note common faults and issues.
Make/model forums can also be good as 500 people with a same model quickly find a common issue but you have to excercise caution in interpreting all of the info available .

[Vesper Martini]

Smart move from Jeep, the Luxury SUV segment is Booming!

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

Mind you, the $1400 price tag for the 30,000km service that two of the above guys paid for their diesel certainly put me off!!!
Craig H

That's the current problem, the stealers are charging stupid amounts despite the competitors moving to capped price servicing, better to go elsewhere.
That 30K service for instance can be had for less than $900 by Jeep specialists, some of whom have access to Jeep's Witech diag tool which amongst other things, allows them access to ECU updates, bulletins etc exactly the same as the dealers.

[mik]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Judging a brand reliability based on sample of one or two units is always going to be tricky affair. Pattern of usage differs a lot between customers and what some consider good run ( 5 dealship visits a year for warranty repairs) some class as a disaster.
Only ones who can really comment are manufacturers themselves ( they obviously won't do that) or specialized repairers who see enough of a same model /make to be able to note common faults and issues.
Make/model forums can also be good as 500 people with a same model quickly find a common issue but you have to excercise caution in interpreting all of the info available .

indeed ,and its probably a bit early to judge the later model ones, give them a few years and some k`s on them and see if they fall apart.

[XtRmn8]

Originally Posted by Grunter

They are such a horrendous piece of crap, that I traded the Jeep with another Jeep this past weekend.

Given how much (trouble free) enjoyment I've had driving the last one, it's good being brain dead.

My GC is an absolute bucket too. Can't wait for the all new MY18 model to come out so I can get rid of mine and grab the new model

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by Grunter

They are such a horrendous piece of crap, that I traded the Jeep with another Jeep this past weekend.

Given how much (trouble free) enjoyment I've had driving the last one, it's good being brain dead.

We loved Jeep owners like you. Made my boss a millionaire (multi)

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

We loved Jeep owners like you. Made my boss a millionaire (multi)

thats 2 people happy....your boss and grunter - everyones happy

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

We loved Jeep owners like you. Made my boss a millionaire (multi)

Just like any happy return buyer of any make i guess.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by XtRmn8

My GC is an absolute bucket too. Can't wait for the all new MY18 model to come out so I can get rid of mine and grab the new model

The problem with Jeep's is that ownership = pain. Some get to experience early, for some it takes longer, but it will happen.

In your case you have a near new car (2014) you plan to own it for 4 years and trade out of it just before it goes all goes pear shaped. Well done, you've confirmed what people have said about Jeeps.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by cheap

The problem with Jeep's is that ownership = pain. Some get to experience early, for some it takes longer, but it will happen.

In your case you have a near new car (2014) you plan to own it for 4 years and trade out of it just before it goes all goes pear shaped. Well done, you've confirmed what people have said about Jeeps.

Really, where does this come from? To warrant it directed at Jeep more than any other brand.
First hand account, I've had an XJ Cherokee and JK Wrangler with no dramas. Before buying I had researched extensively and found both had no known major faults, or enough to be a turn off.
Family friend used a WJ 4.7 Grand Cherokee to tow their race horses around the country the last 7 years no worries. Just replaced with Navara on Nissan 0% deposit and 1.9% interest rate.
I bought the JK after the decent service my XJ gave, and I've also considered WJ 4.7 and 2.7 crd as a used buy and after searching both seem safe buys, the WJ will also school a Land Cruiser and Patrol off road, don't even mention the JK Wrangler which will walk all over them. Both extremely capable 4wds off the showroom floor (WJ and JK, don't know and don't care about the newer IFS stuff).

Is it right to assume their reputation comes from warranty claims/dis satisfied vocal customers who make up the minority of buyers, high price of OEM parts and a long wait for parts to come ex US or Europe...

I do laugh that this thread exists on AFF, considering the Falcon and Territory suffers a similar reputation to Jeeps as far as quality, reliability and warranty work is concerned (usually by those who have no first hand experience). Either way I've had a good run with both.

My old JK Rubicon - standard front and rear lockers, sway bar disconnects, roll bars, transfer case gearing twice as low as Hilux, 4.11 diffs. The best spec 4wd you can buy on the market.

[XtRmn8]

Originally Posted by cheap

In your case you have a near new car (2014) you plan to own it for 4 years and trade out of it just before it goes all goes pear shaped. Well done, you've confirmed what people have said about Jeeps.

I traded a 2 year old FG XR6T for the Jeep. So if the Jeep lasts me 4 years it must then be twice as good right?

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by smoo

I do laugh that this thread exists on AFF, considering the Falcon and Territory suffers a similar reputation to Jeeps as far as quality, reliability and warranty work is concerned (usually by those who have no first hand experience). Either way I've had a good run with both.

Exactly mate! I've had plenty of experience with Fords and have a little ole Getz that gave me less grief than Falcons but I still bought Falcs and now have a GC too which is impressing me still. Early days but it has 5 years warranty and CJD Aust. are picking their game up slowly, i'm not worried.

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

thats 2 people happy....your boss and grunter - everyones happy

Yeah but we were fixin 'em not sellin' 'em, and they always need fixin!

[sprintman1]

Navara and VW Amarok are nearly as bad. Land Rover/Range Rover are best not mentioned............

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by smoo

Really, where does this come from? To warrant it directed at Jeep more than any other brand.
First hand account, I've had an XJ Cherokee and JK Wrangler with no dramas. Before buying I had researched extensively and found both had no known major faults, or enough to be a turn off.
Family friend used a WJ 4.7 Grand Cherokee to tow their race horses around the country the last 7 years no worries. Just replaced with Navara on Nissan 0% deposit and 1.9% interest rate.
I bought the JK after the decent service my XJ gave, and I've also considered WJ 4.7 and 2.7 crd as a used buy and after searching both seem safe buys, the WJ will also school a Land Cruiser and Patrol off road, don't even mention the JK Wrangler which will walk all over them. Both extremely capable 4wds off the showroom floor (WJ and JK, don't know and don't care about the newer IFS stuff).

Is it right to assume their reputation comes from warranty claims/dis satisfied vocal customers who make up the minority of buyers, high price of OEM parts and a long wait for parts to come ex US or Europe...

I do laugh that this thread exists on AFF, considering the Falcon and Territory suffers a similar reputation to Jeeps as far as quality, reliability and warranty work is concerned (usually by those who have no first hand experience). Either way I've had a good run with both.

My old JK Rubicon - standard front and rear lockers, sway bar disconnects, roll bars, transfer case gearing twice as low as Hilux, 4.11 diffs. The best spec 4wd you can buy on the market.

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Well said, some people just love to hate.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Well said, some people just love to hate.

Not really. Most people are pretty open-minded about looking for a car. I think few nowadays would be brand-loyal.

Each to their own - and this is my own experience only and I'm not imposing it on others - but we've included Jeep in our search for a crossover to replace the Territory which is one of those cars that is a class act that is very hard to find something as good as.

I'm well aware that Jeep has recently evolved from being quite a crude vehicle to something much better, mainly I understand as a result of input from Mercedes, so it certainly now has its good points. But the outcome of our look-in was that, except for wheelbase, it was more cramped on every internal dimension than much of the competition and has almost the smallest luggage space in class. It is also quite heavy, with rather poor fuel consumption and its handling and driver enjoyment is not up to Territory class (hardly any SUVs are, which is making things hard!).

Then on top of this come the stories and surveys about parts prices, service costs, reliability and Jeep's attitude towards its customers and it's end of story. In the end, a manufacturer has to be successful on the basis of good design and reputation and imho Jeep isn't there yet. However, it's obviously very satisfactory for many buyers and I have no argument with that.

[sprintman1]

Our hoof trimmer has a Jeep. He's turned up in it 2 times out of the last 6 visits (broken), the other 4 in his mums Pajero. Last time it broke the NRMA guy said ditch it ASAP. He's looking at a D-MAX now, not before time.

[LoudPipes]

I see a lot of new Jeeps around my area, in fact the number I see surprises me, it’s like every second man and his dog has one.

I have two friends with them and most of my friends aren't into SUV or 4WD's.

I’ve never heard them complain but if they were dissatisfied they’d probably deal with it quietly and move onto another manufacturer.

One thing I have heard is quite a few people say they’d like to own one, they talk about how good they look.

I’m not sure if they’re aware of the issues and if so it’s obviously not enough to deter them.

No-one in my circle of friend owns a Ford.

Without intending to start an argument and I'm not saying it's warranted, the words poorly built and dinosaur are some of the reasons for that.

When you’ve been around for 100 years and built a business on affordable massed produced cars for the common man it becomes hard to shake that image in the mind of many consumers.

Many Aussies see the competition as newer and more innovative and less likely to be a Taxi.

Good design doesn’t necessarily mean a good reputation and poor design doesn’t mean a bad rep.

The world is a funny place and the truth doesn’t count for much when it comes to consumer trends.

In recent years Jeep has done a fantastic job with its marketing and if you look at brands like VW, it takes a lot more than reliability issues deter buyers.

Aussies have a habit of thinking the grass is greener on the other side and love to believe they have something a little better than the home grown product.

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

I see a lot of new Jeeps around my area, in fact the number I see surprises me, it’s like every second man and his dog has one.

I have two friends with them and most of my friends aren't into SUV or 4WD's.

I’ve never heard them complain but if they were dissatisfied they’d probably deal with it quietly and move onto another manufacturer.

One thing I have heard is quite a few people say they’d like to own one, they talk about how good they look.

I’m not sure if they’re aware of the issues and if so it’s obviously not enough to deter them.

No-one in my circle of friend owns a Ford.

Without intending to start an argument and I'm not saying it's warranted, the words poorly built and dinosaur are some of the reasons for that.

When you’ve been around for 100 years and built a business on affordable massed produced cars for the common man it becomes hard to shake that image in the mind of many consumers.

Many Aussies see the competition as newer and more innovative and less likely to be a Taxi.

Good design doesn’t necessarily mean a good reputation and poor design doesn’t mean a bad rep.

The world is a funny place and the truth doesn’t count for much when it comes to consumer trends.

In recent years Jeep has done a fantastic job with its marketing and if you look at brands like VW, it takes a lot more than reliability issues deter buyers.

Aussies have a habit of thinking the grass is greener on the other side and love to believe they have something a little better than the home grown product.

I think they look pretty good too but knowing so many in the equine towing community with problems I wouldn't own one. Maybe in my younger days but now I just want to stick fuel in a vehicle and drive. No surprises Isuzu sales jumped 63.5% last year, they know how to build a diesel (4JJ1-TC) and screw the rest together properly.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

No surprises Isuzu sales jumped 63.5% last year, they know how to build a diesel (4JJ1-TC) and screw the rest together properly.

Isuzu sales have jumped because they have 2 new offering's at a budget price, and have actually been doing some advertising. there is still only 3 dealerships in Melbourne.
They are cheap and reliable, but gutless, thirsty and featureless.
PS way off topic of this thread..

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Isuzu sales have jumped because they have 2 new offering's at a budget price, and have actually been doing some advertising. there is still only 3 dealerships in Melbourne.
They are cheap and reliable, but gutless, thirsty and featureless.
PS way off topic of this thread..

Neither cheap not gutless. Stick to your day job!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

Neither cheap not gutless. Stick to your day job!

D-MAX 130KW/380NM vs Colorado 147KW/500NM.

Yes, gutless.

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

D-MAX 130KW/380NM vs Colorado 147KW/500NM.

Yes, gutless.

Another muppet sucked in by paper figures. Ever heard of 'area under the curve'? No I guess not.

[cheap]

Simply unlucky, misrepresents the facts, never happened to me. Take your pick with the excuses

http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in.../itemId/952865

I know this is a big call, early into 2015 year, but I will go out on a limb, I think Jeep are on track to beat 2014's recall numbers.

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

Another muppet sucked in by paper figures. Ever heard of 'area under the curve'? No I guess not.

Would have to definitely agree with the sprintman there.......paper figures.

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Would have to definitely agree with the sprintman there.......paper figures.

Advertised peak torque/HP sells vehicles to the clueless. Smarter buyers know better...

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by cheap

Simply unlucky, misrepresents the facts, never happened to me. Take your pick with the excuses

http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in.../itemId/952865

I know this is a big call, early into 2015 year, but I will go out on a limb, I think Jeep are on track to beat 2014's recall numbers.

Ford too.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by cheap

Simply unlucky, misrepresents the facts, never happened to me. Take your pick with the excuses

http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in.../itemId/952865

I know this is a big call, early into 2015 year, but I will go out on a limb, I think Jeep are on track to beat 2014's recall numbers.

If your right, I'd rather a swag of recalls that fix problems, than deathly silence or the long delays acknowledging let alone fixing obvious issues that have occurred from other manufacturers.

And the irony of you stating to others "misrepresenting the facts", in a wider forum context, made my day.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Grunter

If your right, I'd rather a swag of recalls that fix problems, than deathly silence or the long delays acknowledging let alone fixing obvious issues that have occurred from other manufacturers.

And the irony of you stating to others "misrepresenting the facts", in a wider forum context, made my day.

Interesting concept, the more recalls now means a more honest manufacturer. Here I was thinking more recalls meant a bigger POS.

Have you considered those recall stickers can be used to hide rust spots and generally help hold your Jeep vehicle together. Another positive outcome from owning a Jeep.