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06-05-2022, 02:19 PM | #751 | |||
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did anybody check with the Russians in donbass/donetsk?? two separate state's under the protection of russia.
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06-05-2022, 03:28 PM | #752 | |||
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It's the "butchering of thousands of men,women and children" statement that raises my eyebrows. It's usually unqualified propoganda rhetoric. Demonize your enemy to appear subhuman is propoganda 101.
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06-05-2022, 03:36 PM | #753 | |||
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It ain't gunna happen.
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06-05-2022, 04:40 PM | #754 | |||
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Putin and his ex KGB colleagues looted the Russian economy and stole everything. Look into how the Russian oligarchs got their wealth; Putin is richer than all of them. They transferred the wealth of Russia into their own personal bank accounts. If this war continues and the supply of wheat and other grains from Ukraine is disrupted then the poor nations in Africa which depend on that will face mass starvation. Putin may go down in history along with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler as one of the great genocidal killers of the modern age. The borders of Ukraine have existed for over a hundred years. There were no "separate states" until Russia announced that there were. It's just a coincidence that these areas that suddenly want to be part of Russia contain a lot of the good ports, the heavy manufacturing industry, significant mineral and gas deposits and rich farmland. Strange how the Russians are not so keen to claim back the area around Chernobyl. |
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It will be interesting to see what happens next week. The "special operation" might turn into a "declared" war in which case he loses face by any objective measure. It has been a war since the start.
But with that it means they can tap more resources which is not good, more meat for the grinder. A long odds bet is he pulls a Dubya "misson accomplished banner" type of thing. I mean he has called it a "special operation" all this time so stranger things have happened Last edited by MITCHAY; 06-05-2022 at 08:20 PM. |
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In any event if you want to contrast historical transgressions ask how the Australian Aborigines feel about you stealing all their resources now...
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06-05-2022, 08:47 PM | #757 | |||
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Hmmm...where have I heard all this before... Not Putin's original idea ..how about... Operation Desert Storm Operation Iraqi freedom Oh and the best... We have prevailed ... Mission accomplished. Just the little detail of Isis to sort out....
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06-05-2022, 09:00 PM | #759 | |||
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By the way both of those were military successes in any case, it's what happened after that is the failure. Russia has none. |
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06-05-2022, 09:56 PM | #761 | ||
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A lot of whataboutism and false equivalence in this war, or colloquially comparing apples and oranges
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Nothing has been achieved.
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That we can agree on and hopefully never go back again but both those particular wars were a military success for coalition forces. The military objective was achieved. It's the after that we lost.
We can go back and forth on it all day long but Russia has not only achieved none of that but has literally strengthened the resolve against them |
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Have the Germans caved and started to buy Russian gas in Rubles? Are they buying extra to stock up? Seems a bit contradictory to the purpose of sanctions.
EXCLUSIVE Germany begins filling western Europe's biggest gas storage site https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ed-2022-05-05/ Interesting to see what the Rubles is doing against the USD. https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USD
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07-05-2022, 11:27 AM | #765 | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MnznV2k2mA Explanation on how the payment for gas in roubles is not actually happening is at 13:00. Lots of contradictions in this war. Europe buys around $US450mil of Russian gas every day so they are funding the Russian attack. Nothing they can do about that immediately without causing major disruption to their economy. The other contradiction is that all this gas and some oil is piped through Ukraine and Russia has to pay them to allow that. It also means that if Russia nukes Ukraine they risk destroying the pipelines and pumping stations etc. I presume that if the pipelines were damaged by even non-nuclear devices then the Russians (and the Europeans) would expect the Ukrainians to do the repairs promptly so that this business transaction wouldn't be interrupted. In the long term I think the Russians have screwed themselves. The Europeans will do everything possible to reduce their reliance on Russian oil and gas but that will take time. Russia will look for other markets but that too will take time. The Nordstream 2 pipeline took five years to build, a pipeline to China will be much longer. Russia is also a major arms exporter. But now all the former Soviet bloc countries like Poland, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic are shipping all their Russian equipment to Ukraine. They will most likely replace it with Nato gear. So Russia has successfully killed off two of their major export industries at once. The long term impact on their economy has to be significant. The outcome of the war will make no difference to this. In fact if they win the sanctions are likely to be tougher so it would be in their own best interest to lose as quickly as possible. All just my opinion of course; and worth every cent you paid for it. |
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If..if..but not gunna happen I doubt it...looks like Ukraine is fairing worse. Quote:
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I understand, quite a few in this thread are at different stages of the Dunning Kruger phenomenon....
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May 9th only a couple of days away. Lots of murmurs that things are going to escalate. Looking at all the news coming out recently, particularly around US intelligence behind the sinking of Moskva and killing of top generals, and limitless weapons being sent there, seems like a self fulfilling prophecy.
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But if the claims of how many generals have been killed is even half true then Russian army communications have been compromised. Still if a Russian general is stupid enough to use his mobile phone on the Ukrainian network then his future is limited. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sW-j3pJcfM just speculation on my part but with all these warships out of the way then there's a chance a missile could get through and take out the Crimea bridge. |
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07-05-2022, 07:13 PM | #770 | |||
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These drones have the ability to drop bombs and missiles, wonder if at some stage the Russians will claim war has been declared by NATO. A mini nuke is a real possibility if Putin feels trapped.
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their are always two sides of a coin, USA/RUSSIA same same, two headed coin.
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All civilians in the Mariupol steel mill now evacuated. Confirmed by both sides.
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What they weren't machine gunned down and buried in mass graves?
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Some interesting accounts from some of the evacuees. Claims of having to exchange rations and medicine for the right to evacuate. At least they are out now.
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Azov. They are now asking to be evacuated themselves. Apparently quite a few are in a bad way and running out of meds. Apparently looking for Turkey to broker a deal.
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Ok, here is a fun angle.
How do Russians pronounce Kyiv ? How do Ukrainians pronounce Kyiv ? How do the TV reporters pronounce Kyiv ? |
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