Common Sense, Being Nannied, The Actions Of A Few

[Dragoneletra]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

yep they are a signed legal document and the first stop when the witch hunt starts.... they will try and pin you on any little step you may have done incorrect or in the wrong sequence.... and if all else fails.. YOU have failed to have this step or recognise this hazard.. REAM.. REAM.. here comes captain pineapple to poor mr worker seen enough to know they are a shift of blame.. wakeup all the big boys are run by lawyers and bean counters.......

I know of a situation where there was some testing and commissioning going on, of an electrical installation.
Now, they have all the testing regulations and proceedures in place. Information has to be kept about everything. I find them time consuming but worthwhile, not just for the safety side of it, more for the roughshod work that gets done.
The guys doing the testing did everything right, except one cable was hooked into the board 'before' the circuit breakers. (sposed to be there, don't agree with it) The only thing is. The cable was sposed to be left out of the board until everyone worked out what the other end was supposed to do.
So everything is all good, except another sparky comes along later and cuts through the cable and gets a zap when he is fitting off the equiptment at the other end. (and of course, not breakers trip....)

The above situation happened because someone 'decided' to just hook it up anyway. It was all wired to spec (even though I still don't like it) etc etc.

How come, the leading hand who had given the order not to liven up that cable, (who was not there on the day either mind you) got reamed in the office ?
And how come the forman nearly lost his job ?

What happened to the guy with an electrical licence who actually caused the problem ?

nothing.

Where is the accountability in that ?

Jc

[Dragoneletra]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

No, No need for a debate, we are a little off topic, PM me, cheers

I know, and it's getting worse.

'zips it'

Jc

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Dragoneletra

I know of a situation where there was some testing and commissioning going on, of an electrical installation.
Now, they have all the testing regulations and proceedures in place. Information has to be kept about everything. I find them time consuming but worthwhile, not just for the safety side of it, more for the roughshod work that gets done.
The guys doing the testing did everything right, except one cable was hooked into the board 'before' the circuit breakers. (sposed to be there, don't agree with it) The only thing is. The cable was sposed to be left out of the board until everyone worked out what the other end was supposed to do.
So everything is all good, except another sparky comes along later and cuts through the cable and gets a zap when he is fitting off the equiptment at the other end. (and of course, not breakers trip....)

The above situation happened because someone 'decided' to just hook it up anyway. It was all wired to spec (even though I still don't like it) etc etc.

How come, the leading hand who had given the order not to liven up that cable, (who was not there on the day either mind you) got reamed in the office ?
And how come the forman nearly lost his job ?

What happened to the guy with an electrical licence who actually caused the problem ?

nothing.

Where is the accountability in that ?

Jc

did they have a take 5...

[Dragoneletra]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

did they have a take 5...

lol
Not sure.

Jc

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

Any one who really thinks that OH&S legislation is ludicrous, or dumbing the workforce down, please take just a couple of minutes to have a look at trends in workplace injuries and fatalities.We still kill far too many of our mates at work, but you will find that a large number of these (preventable) injuries and fatalities occur in work environments that pay scant respect to OH&S legislation.

Its roughly about 30 people killed and 30,000 people apply for compensation per state.

Originally Posted by pottery beige

yep they are a signed legal document and the first stop when the witch hunt starts.... they will try and pin you on any little step you may have done incorrect or in the wrong sequence.... and if all else fails.. YOU have failed to have this step or recognise this hazard.. REAM.. REAM.. here comes captain pineapple to poor mr worker seen enough to know they are a shift of blame.. wakeup all the big boys are run by lawyers and bean counters.......

Which is funny cause the organisation will still get in trouble JSA or not. A JSA reduces the penalty.

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by Dragoneletra

I know of a situation where there was some testing and commissioning going on, of an electrical installation.
Now, they have all the testing regulations and proceedures in place. Information has to be kept about everything. I find them time consuming but worthwhile, not just for the safety side of it, more for the roughshod work that gets done.
The guys doing the testing did everything right, except one cable was hooked into the board 'before' the circuit breakers. (sposed to be there, don't agree with it) The only thing is. The cable was sposed to be left out of the board until everyone worked out what the other end was supposed to do.
So everything is all good, except another sparky comes along later and cuts through the cable and gets a zap when he is fitting off the equiptment at the other end. (and of course, not breakers trip....)

The above situation happened because someone 'decided' to just hook it up anyway. It was all wired to spec (even though I still don't like it) etc etc.

How come, the leading hand who had given the order not to liven up that cable, (who was not there on the day either mind you) got reamed in the office ?
And how come the forman nearly lost his job ?

What happened to the guy with an electrical licence who actually caused the problem ?

nothing.

Where is the accountability in that ?

Jc

I hear you loud and clear , some of the electrical work I have seen over the years .

[landau460]

Originally Posted by gossy

What ever happened to the old saying..............

COMMOM SENSE PREVAILS ?

I work in a company where they used that line way way ro much. They have now since sold the business to another and that line is used where it is needed.
But i do agree there is not enough common sence these days. To many out to make a quick buck. Will common sence ever return, i cant see it happening.

[rijruna]

While i do endorse the majority of the previous posts, maybe I should mention my experiences. Working as a blacksmith/boilermaker/welder for over 30yrs I have seen a stack of things, a lot of which would make you reach for a bucket. It comes down to this, are they really stupid enough to stick their hands into a machine that shreds, bends or cuts 1/2" plate & expect their flesh & blood can handle it? morons!! Iv seen it happen too often. You use dangerous equip & if you aint taught properly how to use said equip,,, it`l bite & bite hard & yes it`l leave a mark [if theres anything left to leave a mark on] The lack of proper intruction hurts more people than you can mention.
Quite often it takes an 'outsider' looking in on a different job-type to spot a problem.
I`v spent the last 5 yrs because of just that scene but I dont know how far I can inform you due to forum rules as that may fall under 'advertising your own company etc' kinda thing. Suffice it to say, it`s taken over a 1/4mill in cash & 1/3mill in for-gone wages to get it to where it is now, & a stack of time too. Sure,, it`s a world-beating safety thing, but,, you have no idea how hard it is to change the neandethal thinking of management to accept a better way of doing things even though the state govt think it`s good enough for their 'worksafe' awards finals & even the oh&s dept of the US fed govt thinks its great. To change the mind-set on an entrenched way of doing things is difficult & all you can do is nibble away at the edges when possible. Be rust, not a blunt chisel. The barriers will errode away eventually, you cant bulldoze your way through the resistance.
[For me to know how far I can go in informing everyone what that was all about I will need a 'mod' to drop a line before I go any further] It has been a seriously mind-numbing time watching people who shouldnt be allowed to handle some equip without hurting themselves & get away with it somehow. For at least one trade I have at least a reduction of the problems involved in that trade.
Yes ppl you have a world-beating inventor here.
cheers
rij

[MAD]

Seriously....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225924291675

[iCat]

just read that MAD and that's crap. would be different if it was for a private function but it's a public event at a public venue. what's happened to this country?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by MAD

Seriously....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225924291675

I would once have said.....yeh bloody Victoria.

But the lunacy is spreading.


Hey I am going to start the church of petrolhead and our core belief is that God created cars to go fast so speed cameras are discrimination.........

[pottery beige]

do gooders be damned the 1000 virgins awaiting you in paradise is a load of BS.........

[AussieAV]

Okay, going to cop all sort of crap for this, but its got to be asked.

The story starts out saying this ban is at a public event, in which case I agree, its ridiculous.

The article later says "The ban on skimpy clothes will apply between 6.15 and 8.15pm on August 21 next year, a time when the pool is closed to the public....."

Again me smells a media beat-up designed to incite reaction from the public. It can't be a public event if its held at a time when the pool is closed to the public.

Don't know which of the 2 statements are true, just know they can't both be right. Again we are given just enough info to get our blood boiling, but not enough to maybe see the complete picture and make some fully informed judgements.

Attack at will, I'm pretty sure my medical insurance is up to date.

[grandpa_spec_F6]

If this was genuine, and there really was a complete ban that was a stupid as this one sound (the last 5 million threads on here appear to be about BAN! I agree with pottery_beige, ban the bans!), I don't think I'd take it lying down anymore.

How does a few hundred people turning up in budgee smugglers sound?

not to offend any relegious groups intentionally of course, but I just object to these continued deprivation of liberties on any scale.

My girlfriend has her mother trying to deprive her of her own free will by imposing her own values and beliefs upon her. I may not be welcome in their house again if she keeps it up.

[sarrge2001]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

do gooders be damned the 1000 virgins awaiting you in paradise is a load of BS.........

That's why there is a shortage of suicide bombers.......they found out Susan Boyle was a virgin.....

But I digress.......

Someone said earlier on in the thread "if you see something that needs fixing, fix it" or words to that effect.....

Obviously they have never worked for the government. I'm new to the public service (after 30 years in private enterprise) and discovered that it'sactually:

"If you see something that needs fixing, form a committee, then spend three months arguing over its terms of reference before you schedule a meeting to work out a plan of attack that won't embarrass the minister blah blah blah blah dribble dribble dribble........."

Anyway, i'm off to a meeting......

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by flappist

I would once have said.....yeh bloody Victoria.

But the lunacy is spreading.


Hey I am going to start the church of petrolhead and our core belief is that God created cars to go fast so speed cameras are discrimination.........

Couldn't be any more stupid then other religions.

Originally Posted by AussieAV

The article later says "The ban on skimpy clothes will apply between 6.15 and 8.15pm on August 21 next year, a time when the pool is closed to the public....."

Seems that this time is allocated to Muslim women anyway.

The ban on skimpy clothes will apply between 6.15 and 8.15pm on August 21 next year, a time when the pool is closed to the public and normally used by a Muslim women's swimming group.

[Dragoneletra]

Originally Posted by AussieAV

Okay, going to cop all sort of crap for this, but its got to be asked.

The story starts out saying this ban is at a public event, in which case I agree, its ridiculous.

The article later says "The ban on skimpy clothes will apply between 6.15 and 8.15pm on August 21 next year, a time when the pool is closed to the public....."

Again me smells a media beat-up designed to incite reaction from the public. It can't be a public event if its held at a time when the pool is closed to the public.

Don't know which of the 2 statements are true, just know they can't both be right. Again we are given just enough info to get our blood boiling, but not enough to maybe see the complete picture and make some fully informed judgements.

Attack at will, I'm pretty sure my medical insurance is up to date.

The non Muslim orgwnisers decided It would be a good idea to create harmony by doing this. The muslim group who qre part of It are against the enforced clothes regulations. It's a media beat up.

Jc

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Dragoneletra

The non Muslim orgwnisers decided It would be a good idea to create harmony by doing this. The muslim group who qre part of It are against the enforced clothes regulations. It's a media beat up.

Jc

Noo... the media wouldnt do that would they???

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by flappist

Hey I am going to start the church of petrolhead and our core belief is that God created cars to go fast so speed cameras are discrimination.........

With Ricky Bobby being the church's Messiah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pMok...next=1&index=1

[Dragoneletra]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Noo... the media wouldnt do that would they???

only by accident.

Seriously, the media are absolute w4nkers. We are building temp assylum lodgings at the moment. The local media are down there all the time wanting to ask questions. Security is all over the place. But some of these reporters are just idiots the way they go about their jobs though. I gave a bloke what for the other day because he was getting in my way whilst i'm trying to work. frustrating, much.

Jc

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Dragoneletra

only by accident.

Seriously, the media are absolute w4nkers. We are building temp assylum lodgings at the moment. The local media are down there all the time wanting to ask questions. Security is all over the place. But some of these reporters are just idiots the way they go about their jobs though. I gave a bloke what for the other day because he was getting in my way whilst i'm trying to work. frustrating, much.

Jc

If they are on the jobsite and not wearing PPe threaten them with OHS laws, ask them to leave, call police when they dont...

[zdcol71]

Boy hasn't this one stayed on topic!!!

[Dragoneletra]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

If they are on the jobsite and not wearing PPe threaten them with OHS laws, ask them to leave, call police when they dont...

lol
no, they were hanging around out the front like a little mini leper colony.


back on thread...

Jc

[Morexbs]

I am certainly sick of the ever increasing over regulation of society.
We have laws against everything yet it has never been more dangerous to walk the streets at night or catch a train.
Where else on the planet would a government rebuild a freeway,improving it and adding extra lanes,then reduce the speed limit from 100 to 80?
Where else do you get fined more for running onto the field during a sporting event than you do for killing someone with your car?
Mark Weber was right and it's time the rest of us shmucks realised it...

[Pinch]

Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The point I bolded is so annoying. I had to stop today while some teenage moron with his ipod going (probably being played at full blast) just crossed the road as I was turning into it. I was coming from behind and had slowed considerably because I could just tell he wasn't going to look. No surprisingly he didn't. Not only did he not stop and make sure no one was coming from behind, he never even looked left or right, and he was so focused on his music playing he never even noticed me drive next to him. I wanted so badly to get otu and abuse him, but alas I would have lowered myself to his level of stupidity.

Just a clarification on this, a pedestrian has right of way in many cases where you enter the road they are crossing, or about to cross.
Refer: http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Repo...bruary2008.pdf

Pages 89-99 inclusive.

[MAD]

Right of way doesn't make the act of being hit by a car any less painful.

Pedestrians and cyclists alike need to remember bigger = it's gunna hurt.

[Pinch]

Originally Posted by MAD

Right of way doesn't make the act of being hit by a car any less painful.

Pedestrians and cyclists alike need to remember bigger = it's gunna hurt.

I certainly would never rely on this as a pedestrian as it is a relatively unknown and generally ignored (and non-enforced) law. Might be worth knowing before taking a pedestrian to task over their actions though...

[mrbaxr6t]

try being a security guard at pubs/clubs the drunks treat you like a piece of dirt and then moan when they think "you are not doing your job" so many stories of stupidity I will flood this thread and another thing NOBODY takes responsibility for their own actions for example guy gets his head kicked in at 6 am suddenly its MY fault? I didn't choose to be out all night alone and drunk off my head till 6 am THEY DID yet they tried to pin it on me, thankfully the cops saw straight through it and told him "there is no case" repeatedly as did several lawyers so I heard off the grapevine.