Jeep's meā culpā

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

Market research shows that car owners are generally extremely reluctant to admit even to themselves that they made a purchasing mistake or their car is sub-standard in any way so cognitive dissonance occurs when they are surveyed. It happens with most major purchases and its actually a good thing in a way as otherwise there would be a lot of depressed Jeep owners around; but I guess they wouldn't be lonely as there are also the Fiat and Craptiva owners to share and care with. A better stat would be how many Jeep owners actually buy another Jeep after they quit the existing one or how many current owners also previously had Jeeps.

I think the last part has been answered by their sales figures over the past few years. Many of them never came back, and sales are a fraction of what they were at their peak 5 years ago.

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

The cars themselves are no worse than other makes (hell as a Ford fan even I have to look at the current mustangs build quality/issues as an absolute joke).

But that's the thing, they are worse than other cars. The reliability rankings prove it year after year. But in saying that every manufacturer has quality faults.

The Mustangs seem to be pretty reliable, they just have issues with panel alignment, which is not a reliability concern. That's a fit and finish issue, which they really need to improve.

[FTE217]

yes and no Boss re Stang, look at Professor's experiences and already flipped off the lime green within months, yep there are many good ones out there as well.
Ford is by no means near Jeep even I'll vouch for that but there moments have been huge at times.
How many B/FG/X series diffs are being replaced for eg, some owners are onto their 4th one !
Jeep shot themselves in foot after all the good work they did to build up sales to couple of years ago their Customer Service went down the gurgler.
Wasn't there a Dealer re structure at the time AND owners were left high and dry on their recalls and WTY work.
They lost the plot completely.
I don't blame owners going OTT - my wife pre 2018 loved her Patriot, we had it trouble free till 75tho clicks, then a fuel pump issue, it was such a PIA to get that resolved it was not funny.....
Wifey wasn't too happy no2 son on his fresh 6mths red P's wrote it off
I wasn't that unhappy she deserved her first brand new car lol.....problem solved.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-adv...w-car-be-40818

Yikes, well Jeep seem to out-reliability Land Rover by a 221/167 ratio...

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

https://autoexpert.com.au/posts/ulti...to-buy-in-2019

Aren't you one of the members on here who hates Cadogan?
The link above that you provided Ford 'beat' FCA in the Lemon brand list.

I'm not sure why you are posting all these links. I never said Jeep was some amazing reliable car. All I said is that there are people out there who have returned to the brand because they have had no issues on multiple cars. A Jeep with no issues is not a Unicorn. It's less common than say Toyota, but it seems the people who have never owned one complain more than people who owned one and got screwed over with issues.

[aussiblue]

Aren't you one of the members on here who hates Cadogan?

No; while I find his style a little annoying and crude, I actually agree with most of what he has to say. If you do and advanced search on "Cadogan" and my user name it will be confirmed.

[Mulva]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Aren't you one of the members on here who hates Cadogan?

I'm Eugene...I mean I am one of those members.

[aussiblue]

I'm Eugene...I mean I am one of those members.

Not Eugene, Louis Rossmann's conning contractor. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMmrjlUA3js

Well I have to take a break from car related videos of Scotty Kilmer, Uncle Tony's Garage, Alan Howatt, John Cadogan and watch electronics related things like EEV Blog, Big Clive, Electroboom, Techmoan and Louis Rossmann from time to time.

[xxx000]

https://www.pickles.com.au/cars/item...info/103627020

Jeep at auction missing carbon fibre dash spear.

[Sprintey]

Wonder if you could 3d print a replacement part...

[xxx000]

Condition report from a 2012 Jeep SRT at Pickles now:

Alloy Wheels
Scrapes

Engine
Slight Rattle Evident

Traction Control Light
(ON)
1
Bumper Bar (Front)
Loose/Unclipped
3
Windscreen (Front)
Chipped & Major Crack ,Pitted
4
Vehicle Body
Minor Paint Chips & Small Scratches Visible
6
Interior (Dash)
4x4 Service Light (ON)

[Ben73]

Uh oh. FCA is improving by the looks of it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...vs/3243994001/

[jgmdat]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Condition report from a 2012 Jeep SRT at Pickles now:

Alloy Wheels
Scrapes

Engine
Slight Rattle Evident

Traction Control Light
(ON)
1
Bumper Bar (Front)
Loose/Unclipped
3
Windscreen (Front)
Chipped & Major Crack ,Pitted
4
Vehicle Body
Minor Paint Chips & Small Scratches Visible
6
Interior (Dash)
4x4 Service Light (ON)

So an eight year old vehicle. I think those issues are probably the last owner or owners more than the manufacturer.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Condition report from a 2012 Jeep SRT at Pickles now:

Alloy Wheels
Scrapes

Engine
Slight Rattle Evident

Traction Control Light
(ON)
1
Bumper Bar (Front)
Loose/Unclipped
3
Windscreen (Front)
Chipped & Major Crack ,Pitted
4
Vehicle Body
Minor Paint Chips & Small Scratches Visible
6
Interior (Dash)
4x4 Service Light (ON)

The Service 4WD and traction control light are probably related. You could get the system 'flashed' and it may come good. Or it could be the Transmission control module. $300 or so to fix that.

Bumper bar loose - not great but not too weird for a car of that age.

Engine rattle - heard people complain about that a few times. People say check this and that but then I never hear any follow up. No one comes back ranting that their engine blew up.