Chinese cars make record sales in Australia

[Vesper Martini]

I have a work Colleague with the small MG SUV and I've noticed the poor quality audio on his hands free due to the poor quality Mic used. a low cost item in a car build but they still have to skimp on something that could be a deal breaker these days.

However its only the recent Hilux that has made an improvement on mic quality too

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

8.2% of all vehicles sold last month were made in China.

85,340 sold in Feb 22

MG = 3,767
LDV = 1,114
GWM = 816

Total = 5,697 (6.7%)

[Syndrome]

From none before 2010 to nearly 10% of the new car market in 2022.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...ntry-of-origin

[Syndrome]

So many brands it is hard to keep track. These are what I have seen to date:

MG
Haval
BYD
Great Wall Motors
SAIC Motors
LDV
Chery

Plus the Chinese made Tesla

[Fordman1]

These Chinese brands don’t have a “real” Dealer and spare parts base here, they are sold through a second party who often have a problem supporting spare parts, warranty issues, and crash repairs.

Avoid.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

These Chinese brands don’t have a “real” Dealer and spare parts base here, they are sold through a second party who often have a problem supporting spare parts, warranty issues, and crash repairs.

Avoid.

In town here the Ford Dealer also sells SsangYong.

The Toyota dealer sells Haval

But I've forgotten which one the Holden dealer has.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

But I've forgotten which one the Holden dealer has.

Holden Wagga Wagga was located at 32 Dobney Avenue. This is now a Jeep dealer.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

In town here the Ford Dealer also sells SsangYong.

The Toyota dealer sells Haval

But I've forgotten which one the Holden dealer has.

They have to multi franchise to stay ‘alive’, you just cannot rely solely on one brand anymore.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

So many brands it is hard to keep track. These are what I have seen to date:

MG
Haval
BYD
Great Wall Motors
SAIC Motors
LDV
Chery

Plus the Chinese made Tesla

Add to that Geely, are they still going ? A few commercial vehicles as well, like: Foton, CRRC, JMC, Joylong, SEA, Skywell, Tank, ZX Auto etc.

If you count "Chinese made" there are several more including Volvo, Polestar & some VWs etc.

Dr Terry

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

So many brands it is hard to keep track. These are what I have seen to date:

MG
Haval
BYD
Great Wall Motors
SAIC Motors
LDV
Chery

Plus the Chinese made Tesla

hehe love the last overpriced one......

I do business in Chile market, a carpark of just ver 6M cars, chinese got entrenched there long long ago, have over 21 chinese brands in the market.
Its mind boggling.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by FTE217

hehe love the last overpriced one......

I do business in Chile market, a carpark of just ver 6M cars, chinese got entrenched there long long ago, have over 21 chinese brands in the market.
Its mind boggling.

Was actually speaking to a Chilean,re his Chinese car, he loves them! But as you alluded to they are well entrenched in that market.Cheap & affordable as well.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

In town here the Ford Dealer also sells SsangYong.

The Toyota dealer sells Haval

But I've forgotten which one the Holden dealer has.

Pretty sure Wagga Motors have never sold a Chinese Brand..!! BISTBC

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Holden Wagga Wagga was located at 32 Dobney Avenue. This is now a Jeep dealer.

WAS located? perhaps you should come up and have a look as they are also the Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai and Renault dealer..

Originally Posted by hackney

They have to multi franchise to stay ‘alive’, you just cannot rely solely on one brand anymore.

Yeah, all major brand dealers here have sold multiple brand cars for a lot longer than their city counterparts.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Pretty sure Wagga Motors have never sold a Chinese Brand..!! BISTBC

I'm think they did at one stage, but haven't noticed lately, maybe they got smart


"BISTBC" ?

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I'm think they did at one stage, but haven't noticed lately, maybe they got smart


"BISTBC" ?

But I stand to be corrected?

[Warrenk]

As long as China doesn't invade Taiwan or start WW3, a Chinese branded vehicle will be the No1 seller in Australia's in 5-10 years time, pushing Toyota aside.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Warrenk

As long as China doesn't invade Taiwan or start WW3, a Chinese branded vehicle will be the No1 seller in Australia's in 5-10 years time, pushing Toyota aside.

It will be interesting to see if they go the way of Jeep once people start realizing how poorly made they are, and don't last. Or will people be willing to look the other way because they are cheap?

I saw a guy on facebook the other day, who reckons he see's a lot of people buying the cheap chinese cars and posting glowing reports when they pick them up, but notices that within 6-12 months a lot of them then post of pictures of their new car that has replaced their chinese built one, usually japanese or korean. He reckons it can't be just a coincidence that the owners don't hang onto them for too long. The sheer number of them for sale on carsales tends to back this up.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It will be interesting to see if they go the way of Jeep once people start realizing how poorly made they are, and don't last. Or will people be willing to look the other way because they are cheap?

I saw a guy on facebook the other day, who reckons he see's a lot of people buying the cheap chinese cars and posting glowing reports when they pick them up, but notices that within 6-12 months a lot of them then post of pictures of their new car that has replaced their chinese built one, usually japanese or korean. He reckons it can't be just a coincidence that the owners don't hang onto them for too long. The sheer number of them for sale on carsales tends to back this up.

Our neighbour seems to be happy with their Haval H2. Been near on 4 years and it seems to be fine, used everyday. They do the "servicing" themselves.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It will be interesting to see if they go the way of Jeep once people start realizing how poorly made they are, and don't last. Or will people be willing to look the other way because they are cheap?

I saw a guy on facebook the other day, who reckons he see's a lot of people buying the cheap chinese cars and posting glowing reports when they pick them up, but notices that within 6-12 months a lot of them then post of pictures of their new car that has replaced their chinese built one, usually japanese or korean. He reckons it can't be just a coincidence that the owners don't hang onto them for too long. The sheer number of them for sale on carsales tends to back this up.

Check out a FB page called **** cars of Australia.
Members keep tabs on listings of <12 month old Chinese cars and the owners reasons for selling so soon. Good for a laugh.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by smoo

Check out a FB page called **** cars of Australia.
Members keep tabs on listings of <12 month old Chinese cars and the owners reasons for selling so soon. Good for a laugh.

I have seen that.

One guy posted up pics of an LDV ute with rusted out lower doors, which was frightening for a vehicle only a few years old.

[Warrenk]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I have seen that.

One guy posted up pics of an LDV ute with rusted out lower doors, which was frightening for a vehicle only a few years old.

My brother had all the 4 doors on his 2 year old Everest replaced as a result of rust in the door seams, so not just a Chinese brand with this issue.

[Interceptor]

Recently someone posted on a local FB group looking for a reliable mechanic for their MG...... I refused to get myself in trouble by commenting...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Warrenk

My brother had all the 4 doors on his 2 year old Everest replaced as a result of rust in the door seams, so not just a Chinese brand with this issue.

This was rusted right through the bottoms of the doors and was completely visible on the outside. Not just rust appearing in seams.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It will be interesting to see if they go the way of Jeep once people start realizing how poorly made they are, and don't last. Or will people be willing to look the other way because they are cheap?

I saw a guy on facebook the other day, who reckons he see's a lot of people buying the cheap chinese cars and posting glowing reports when they pick them up, but notices that within 6-12 months a lot of them then post of pictures of their new car that has replaced their chinese built one, usually japanese or korean. He reckons it can't be just a coincidence that the owners don't hang onto them for too long. The sheer number of them for sale on carsales tends to back this up.

though does it matter looking ahead re longivity/quality......
Cars are nothing like they once were as we all know no diff to tools/white goods etcetc.
Even the solid euros have cheapenned their product due to consumer pricing demands having to compete and covering more sectors int he volume ends where they never did before.
Made in Germany has gone left right centre in reducing costs no diff to them all so the market is coming to China regardless.
27M people here, bulk of sales is sub 100k, right in their ball game.
Throw away society.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I have seen that.

One guy posted up pics of an LDV ute with rusted out lower doors, which was frightening for a vehicle only a few years old.

No different to an Aussie Built Holden/Ford or IH Truck of the 60's & 70's.. They'd rust all the way through in 5-6 Yrs..

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by FTE217

though does it matter looking ahead re longivity/quality......
Cars are nothing like they once were as we all know no diff to tools/white goods etcetc.
Even the solid euros have cheapenned their product due to consumer pricing demands having to compete and covering more sectors int he volume ends where they never did before.
Made in Germany has gone left right centre in reducing costs no diff to them all so the market is coming to China regardless.
27M people here, bulk of sales is sub 100k, right in their ball game.
Throw away society.

That's an interesting point, and probably the subject of a different thread altogether, but are car manufacturers (and other goods as well) making their product with a shorter lifespan because of cost cutting or because of the turnover rate of their consumers? Conversely, have consumers changed their expectations of product life because of the manufacturing process or do they just prefer to turn things over more frequently. Which is the actual driver (no pun intended)?

As an example, what's the average useful life for a mobile phone these days? And what about a phone from 20 years ago? 40 years ago (not withstanding the difference in capabilities).

IMHO, it's consumerism that is driving this process.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by hayseed

No different to an Aussie Built Holden/Ford or IH Truck of the 60's & 70's.. They'd rust all the way through in 5-6 Yrs..

And that makes it acceptable in 2023?

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And that makes it acceptable in 2023?

AH Bingo, a similar question or more so me not appecting the reported QC issues of the modern day Mustang.

Agreed Boss, its 2023, ok maybe the product doesn't last as it once did back in the day BUT at least bring it out to market spot on to spec, no mis alignments etcetc yet one bloke quoted thats the Norm of a Pony forever and a day, correcting error.
I answer if I'm paying sub $100k my pride and joy should be damn spot on ?! if the cheap cars under $50k can why can't my $90K for eg Mustang.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

That's an interesting point, and probably the subject of a different thread altogether, but are car manufacturers (and other goods as well) making their product with a shorter lifespan because of cost cutting or because of the turnover rate of their consumers? Conversely, have consumers changed their expectations of product life because of the manufacturing process or do they just prefer to turn things over more frequently. Which is the actual driver (no pun intended)?

As an example, what's the average useful life for a mobile phone these days? And what about a phone from 20 years ago? 40 years ago (not withstanding the difference in capabilities).

IMHO, it's consumerism that is driving this process.

too true good discussion Fox, start up the thread
Your involved in a good field to express this I reckon and we will join in.

[EBSXR6]

A significant number of dealers are part of large companies.