Riots on Princess HWY tonight because of the cancellation of easternats

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by ltd_on20s

"Its clear that the state govt in Vic see any form of funded drag racing/ burnout facility as some form of reward for these idiots, they obviously link the 2 quite clearly."

well based on that it looks like they link you with being an idiot as well.(not calling you an idiot here, saying they think your one too.)

because you like cars. fast cars. your a hoon, therefore anitsocial. so to them your no better then these morons.

i guess i'm sure with another talkfest you will be able to convince them otherwise.

I have no interest in drag racing or burnouts, nor do i have any interest in a facility that only caters to those 2 hobbies...
So no, that doesnt make me part of the demographic the govt has pigeon holed some into....
To be honest id be pretty annoyed if 60mill of tax payers money went to only catering to those 2 things... Bit selfish i know but no more selfish than idiots who riot and street race.....

On the other hand if that 60 mil went towards a full circuit, wet skid pan, training driver facility with a "family friendly" approach id be far more supportive...

[trippytaka]

Jesus H Christ. I just found out about this - been away with the gf all weekend.

I can't believe it. Totally dumbstruck and speechless. I think it's tme people with the right "connections" started "weeding" some of this element out of the scene... we don't need or want these scumbags associated with us.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think that the boss of ANDRA, Gary Miocevich, needs to either hire, or get a new media advisor. He was on the seven news tonight trying to blame the state government for Friday night’s riot.

The only people he should be blaming are the clowns who vandalised the tyre store. This bloke has a lot to learn if he want’s to get the public on side

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/austral...r-racing-riot/

Spot on.... no wonder drag racing is in taters with such a poor public image with leadership like this.

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I have no interest in drag racing or burnouts, nor do i have any interest in a facility that only caters to those 2 hobbies...
So no, that doesnt make me part of the demographic the govt has pigeon holed some into....
To be honest id be pretty annoyed if 60mill of tax payers money went to only catering to those 2 things... Bit selfish i know but no more selfish than idiots who riot and street race.....

On the other hand if that 60 mil went towards a full circuit, wet skid pan, training driver facility with a "family friendly" approach id be far more supportive...

Surely they could build it like Eastern Creek and WSID combined? Track, go karts, 1/4 mile and driver training centre all in one.

[xls3v]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I have no interest in drag racing or burnouts, nor do i have any interest in a facility that only caters to those 2 hobbies...
So no, that doesnt make me part of the demographic the govt has pigeon holed some into....
To be honest id be pretty annoyed if 60mill of tax payers money went to only catering to those 2 things... Bit selfish i know but no more selfish than idiots who riot and street race.....

On the other hand if that 60 mil went towards a full circuit, wet skid pan, training driver facility with a "family friendly" approach id be far more supportive...

whats not family friendly about the drags and to some what burn outs most drag complexes should have full track facilities, offer driver training to keep them more viable

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by trippytaka

Surely they could build it like Eastern Creek and WSID combined? Track, go karts, 1/4 mile and driver training centre all in one.

Absolutely... so why hasnt it been proposed of promoted this way?

All you ever hear and read about is how there's no drag strip or burnout place.... the 2 things you'd want to minimise publicity about....

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Spot on.... no wonder drag racing is in taters with such a poor public image with leadership like this.

Agreed thats just publicity suicide.

Pretty sure the comments by the minister confirm that a new Venue is never going to be more than a pipe dream.

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Absolutely... so why hasnt it been proposed of promoted this way?

All you ever hear and read about is how there's no drag strip or burnout place.... the 2 things you'd want to minimise publicity about....

Very true. I can't answer that at all. If it was actually promoted as a venue that is a one-stop solution, it would be much better.

[ZC001]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think that the boss of ANDRA, Gary Miocevich, needs to either hire, or get a new media advisor. He was on the seven news tonight trying to blame the state government for Friday night’s riot.

The only people he should be blaming are the clowns who vandalised the tyre store. This bloke has a lot to learn if he want’s to get the public on side

Gary Miocevich is not the boss of ANDRA.
However Gary is in charge of a consortium trying to get state government assistance to build a new facility for ANDRA drag racing.

While saying the government is to blame for the riot is not true, they have certainly contributed to the frustrations that cause idiots like these rioters to take this action.

Drag racers have been working for an independent motorsport facility for Melbourne for many years. Additional benefits include a place for off-street drag racing and other events like Easternats, so people have no excuse for driving unsafely on public roads. State governments in WA and NSW have both supported such venues in the past and these are a proven model for a similar facility in Melbourne. Studies have proven the initial cost is paid back many times over to the the local economy by way of jobs, tourism and spending in supporting motorsport industries.

So far the Victorian state government has NOT been helpful :
When an initial report proved the cost/benefit payback of the project, they hid the report.
They then commissioned another report with false figures to justify doing nothing.
They are inflating the cost of the project by three times to try to make it look too expensive.
The sports minister is now making nonsense statements like :
"Why spend money on a racetrack when we can see racing on the street for free". This is a ridiculous statement considering that such behaviour is illegal, unsafe and anti-social.
The sports minister is now stating that ANDRA is not qualified to design a racetrack, despite proven successful involvement with projects in two other states.

Meanwhile, the same state government is happy to spend hundreds of millions on new/improved facilities for ball sports that already make a profit, lose $50M on a grand prix every year and waste $20M on some lights to make the Westgate bridge pretty....

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Absolutely... so why hasnt it been proposed of promoted this way?

All you ever hear and read about is how there's no drag strip or burnout place.... the 2 things you'd want to minimise publicity about....

its has in SA, numerous times.


i'll say it again so you'll understand

THEY ARE NOT LISTENING.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by ltd_on20s

its has in SA, numerous times.


i'll say it again so you'll understand

THEY ARE NOT LISTENING.

Well something is getting seriously lost in the delivery then because 99% of everything people read, or posted on FF or discussed about the SA bid only revolves around getting an ANDRA spec drag strip, no mention of anything else except a burnout pad.....

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by ZC001

Gary Miocevich is not the boss of ANDRA.
However Gary is in charge of a consortium trying to get state government assistance to build a new facility for ANDRA drag racing.

Someone at Channel Seven must have got it wrong then because when they were interviewing him, on camera, the caption sad that he was the boss.

Regardless of that, I still nearly fell out of my chair when he was trying to blame the government.

There are quite a few sports that receive no government funding. You only have to look at the two women who won gold medals at the winter Olympics.

As far as the government are concerned, legitimate drag racing, illegal street racing, hoon driving and anti social behaviour are all the same. In my opinion, as long as my backside points to the ground, the government will never put public money into a venue to cater for these activities and will probably never give a private company the go ahead to build a facility.

[Pinkbits]

Originally Posted by ZC001

Gary Miocevich is not the boss of ANDRA.
However Gary is in charge of a consortium trying to get state government assistance to build a new facility for ANDRA drag racing.

While saying the government is to blame for the riot is not true, they have certainly contributed to the frustrations that cause idiots like these rioters to take this action.

Drag racers have been working for an independent motorsport facility for Melbourne for many years. Additional benefits include a place for off-street drag racing and other events like Easternats, so people have no excuse for driving unsafely on public roads. State governments in WA and NSW have both supported such venues in the past and these are a proven model for a similar facility in Melbourne. Studies have proven the initial cost is paid back many times over to the the local economy by way of jobs, tourism and spending in supporting motorsport industries.

So far the Victorian state government has NOT been helpful :
When an initial report proved the cost/benefit payback of the project, they hid the report.
They then commissioned another report with false figures to justify doing nothing.
They are inflating the cost of the project by three times to try to make it look too expensive.
The sports minister is now making nonsense statements like :
"Why spend money on a racetrack when we can see racing on the street for free". This is a ridiculous statement considering that such behaviour is illegal, unsafe and anti-social.
The sports minister is now stating that ANDRA is not qualified to design a racetrack, despite proven successful involvement with projects in two other states.

Meanwhile, the same state government is happy to spend hundreds of millions on new/improved facilities for ball sports that already make a profit, lose $50M on a grand prix every year and waste $20M on some lights to make the Westgate bridge pretty....

You forgot myki.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Someone at Channel Seven must have got it wrong then because when they were interviewing him, on camera, the caption sad that he was the boss.

Regardless of that, I still nearly fell out of my chair when he was trying to blame the government.

There are quite a few sports that receive no government funding. You only have to look at the two women who won gold medals at the winter Olympics.

As far as the government are concerned, legitimate drag racing, illegal street racing, hoon driving and anti social behaviour are all the same. In my opinion, as long as my backside points to the ground, the government will never put public money into a venue to cater for these activities and will probably never give a private company the go ahead to build a facility.

Agree 100% . This is why, in my opinion, any bid to gain funding that is centred around solely or predominantly for a drag strip or burnout pad is forever doomed......

Focus it on other forms of motorsport and driver ed and you might have a chance....

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I have no interest in drag racing or burnouts, nor do i have any interest in a facility that only caters to those 2 hobbies...
So no, that doesnt make me part of the demographic the govt has pigeon holed some into....
To be honest id be pretty annoyed if 60mill of tax payers money went to only catering to those 2 things... Bit selfish i know but no more selfish than idiots who riot and street race.....

On the other hand if that 60 mil went towards a full circuit, wet skid pan, training driver facility with a "family friendly" approach id be far more supportive...

Why would you go out and spend 60 mill on a full circuit when we have a few already that do cater for circuit days and driver education courses.I think you are missing the point think of those who have spent big $$$$$$ on race cars here in Vic and can't use them.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

Why would you go out and spend 60 mill on a full circuit when we have a few already that do cater for circuit days and driver education courses.I think you are missing the point think of those who have spent big $$$$$$ on race cars here in Vic and can't use them.

Alex, i agree.... its not me you need to convince though....
Im just stating why i think it will never happen the way some people want to present it, and how the broader community may see it.
You could still get funding and carefully adapt the circuit to include a strip...
But as you say, we already have plenty of facilities in victoria for recreational motorsport, so it would be excess.

[Spanrz]

Anyone can see anymore, that a Burnout Pad or Drag facility doesn't belong anywhere near the cities.
Seems the Gov will do anything now to make it hard as possible to gain acceptance.

Unfortunately, Calder Park's days are a bit dimmer with this type of riot ordeal.
What doesn't make it easier that Calder Park is surrounded by houses probably classified as Metro, and it makes noise...funny that, so does the Airport.

Looks like the only alternative to this concept is to take it out of the City and head up to Heathcote.
I'd dare say, if you hit up Heathcote Drags, you will get pricked up ears in the State Gov, more than campaigning for Calder.

In business, once you loose a customer (State Gov), you have to try twice as hard to woo him back to get an even chance.
Don't think that will ever happen now.

The resultant effect, because no one wants to budge on their ethics, will induce more and more illegal street drags.

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Well something is getting seriously lost in the delivery then because 99% of everything people read, or posted on FF or discussed about the SA bid only revolves around getting an ANDRA spec drag strip, no mention of anything else except a burnout pad.....

the drag strip and burnout pad is only the start of what they propose.

that brings in $$$

then with that $ they build more infastructure to cater for more people.

then they hold nationals.

then with more $$$ they build more and more facilities until it's a complex housing many different motorsports.

no one has hundreds of millions lying around to have the whole thing build in a day.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by ltd_on20s

the drag strip and burnout pad is only the start of what they propose.

that brings in $$$

.

Owell atleast you now know why the bid failed....

[Elks]

There are several different themes in this thread.

1. The protest/riot on friday night was dumb and anti productive to motorsport and car enthusiasts in general.

2. There is underlying bad blood about Bob Jane and Calder Park and decades of false starts for many events.

3. The motorvate Melbourne gets drawn in because its the solution to Calder Park.

As a result of fridays stupidity, we now also have the state government saying very clearly on the news that they WILL NOT be supporting the construction of a Motorsport/Drag facility as it only encourages this sort of behavior.

The oppostion minister stated when he attended the Motorvate Melbourne that he WILL be supporting a drag racing facility.

Folks we don't need a revolution this is a democracy and this is an election year. So I suggest you all contact your local MP and let him know which way you intend to vote. All those MP's in the marginal seats might be interested in hearing from you when their perks of office depend on it. And if they continue on the current Goverment line, which is likely

Our SA bretheren have just been sentenced to 3 or 4 more years in the wilderness. We don't have to follow them.

Come polling day in November, you now have a clear choice.

[Saraco]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Well something is getting seriously lost in the delivery then because 99% of everything people read, or posted on FF or discussed about the SA bid only revolves around getting an ANDRA spec drag strip, no mention of anything else except a burnout pad.....

4Vman, the consortium in SA WAS promoting the Port Motorplex as a multi functional motorsports park and driver education centre. It was going to have a roadcourse,skidpan, speedway, motocross, watercourse for jetsprint boats, burnout pad and a dragstrip,as well as motorsport construction and engineering facilities.The thing is, this government thinks that a motorplex will send the wrong message to young drivers causing them to drive dangerously on public roads. The double standard is that, the CLIPSAL 500 is run on a street circuit for 4 days straight, but thats not sending young drivers the wrong message. Or when the CLASSIC ADELAIDE RALLY, has the exotic high dollar cars being, blasted through the hills at breakneck speeds, but that's not a bad influence on young drivers either! This SA LABOR government are the biggest hypocrites.When and if they can make big money every thing is sweet,but for the grass roots enthusiast, they don't want to know and treat us with contempt,then they feed the gullible public lies and spin through the media.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

You forgot myki.

That cost $1.4 billion and doesn't work yet.

Imagine what sort of motorsport facility you could build for that.

[SpoolMan]

To many post hores in this thread, some off you need to find or beat a different drum.

[jaysway]

Originally Posted by 04redxr8

Slightly off topic, but somewhat related.

Many years ago, I used to ride BMX. We had hardly any facilities and the main was being threatened with closure. A small group of riders (like about 5), got together and formed a committee to take the matter to the local Government. This was some 10-15 years ago. This small group not only managed to save that complex, but also managed to have many more built around SE Qld.

Taxpayers funded the whole lot, including land, construction, and all associated insurances. The fact that these guys presentd themselves in a proffesional manner, put forward legimate facts, and persisted to get what they wanted, paid off.

It has been stated in this thread, that we need to do something, however, we can't seem to agree on what to do. We are bickering and arguing back and forth with our views, and not uniting.

I have also stated earlier that we need to all join together if we are going to beyond what has happened. A committee needs to be formed. Organisation needs to implemented. WE HAVE THE NUMBERS needed to make this work.

An Australia wide organisation commonly linked, will make a difference. It has worked for the BMX community, for the greenies and so many other minority groups in the past, why not us?

The first thing we need to do is actually define the difference between a "hoon" and an enthusiast. With this information, we may have a chance with getting what we want.

Furthermore, for those who actually believe we don't have the numbers, you just need to look at a whole range of factors. Firstly magazine circulation. The number of car magazines published is quite a lot. We have a huge range to choose from, and they would not exist if the readership was not there.

The number of car shows and events currently being held in this country. We travel every year to the Summernats in Canberra. Last year ther was between 1300 and 1600 cars entered, and some 100,000 spectators. There was millions of dollars pumped in to the Canberra economy from just one event. Similarly other major events around the country generate millions more for their local economies.

Furthermore, the aftermarket parts, services, and various other automotive businesses catering specifically to car enthusiast culture is a at the very a billion dollar industry in this country. These businesses take large glossy ads in the publications that we read, sponsor forums such as ours and also sponsor the events we like to attend.

The Government is not only concerned with votes, but also in revenue raising. (We see this in every second thread). If we had a lobby group to take our collective voice to the Government, with logical well thought out arguments, a plan on how we could do this succesfully, and ofcourse, the additional revenue that it would raise, we may have chance.

By our Government not building new facilities and keeping our soprt and hobby alive, less and less enthusiasts will take this sport up. Less people will spend money building cars. Businesses will suffer, our government will collect less tax dollars. It is in their best interests to support us. It just doesn't seem that anyone has so far informed them of this fact.

If we do get together, and do this, I'm sure we will have a lot support. Provided we inform the general public correctly of our intentions and what we need. We would also need to show them how this benefits them. I also believe we would get a lot of support from the businesses that we all support. Not just automitive, but the Hotels and food outlets around major car events, tourism outlets and all places we travel to for events.

If you break it down as I have, (and have probably missed a heap of other businesses we support) we have the numbers that we need to be heard. We just need a voice.

If others are interested in doing something, I will put my hand too. I would love to be a part of sokmething like this. However, it would take a large number of people to make it happen. Something like this would go a long way to distancing ourselves from the rioters and hoons hellbent on destroying our culture and lifestyle without even understanding it.

Sorry for the long post, but I thank you if have taken the time to read it.

Excellent post
Until these points above are done nothing is going to happen

[9triton]

got this from another forum


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*Statement from Jon Davison the Promoter of the EASTERNATS 2010*

Re: The Calder Park Agreement

　

After reading a number of inaccurate statements from Ian MacArthur

– General Manager of Calder Park in regard to the EASTERNATS 2010, I outline the following.

An Agreement for hire of Calder Park Raceway to host the EASTERNATS was first provided to me on or about Friday the 26th February 2010. For your information I had on a number of occasions inclusive of December, January and early February, requested a copy of the Agreement.

The Agreement as provided was not in line with the terms outlined in the document headed EASTERNATS Summary which was provided to me by representatives of Calder Park in November 2009, particularly in relation to the period of license which was to be... “(5 year x 5 year with renewable options)”. Since the 26th February I had been informed on the 9th March by email that the Agreement was “suspended” and then further on the 11th March that the Agreement was cancelled and by further letter dated the 12th March I was advised by Bob Jane of the following;

“So I’m now faced with two options, to maintain the position of the cancellation of the event at Calder Park or alternatively to continue the event under the management of Calder Park and protecting your perceived value of the EASTERNATS ongoing basis in the future”.

Bob Jane’s letter 12th March then outlined the basis for a new Agreement, which entailed a new option arrangement at the option of the owner year by year.

As the Promoter I had at all times acted and negotiated in good faith, however under the circumstances I could not accept the terms as proposed and acknowledged that... I had been unable to reach any satisfactory long term agreement, and in accordance with Bob Jane’s correspondence, I accepted the cancellation. It is important to note Bob Jane suspended and then cancelled the event.

On or about the 1st March I was provided with a copy of correspondence from Carey Patterson, Manager Building Services & Municipal Building Surveyor advising Calder Park Raceway that, “the owner of the property is required to have an Occupancy Permit issued prior to any event at which admission is charged for the purposes of public entertainment”.

I was advised by Bob Jane that he had this matter under control and that the issue was being resolved by his lawyers and Brimbank Council.

I received from Maddocks solicitors representing Brimbank City Council (BCC) dated 12th March 2010 that Calder Park the Venue had failed to obtain an Occupancy Permit for Calder Park to act as a place of public entertainment.

Maddocks threatened legal action against Rapid Corporation as the Promoter of the EASTERNATS, unless an application for a Certificate of Occupancy was made to Council by 4:00 pm on the 18th March 2010. As of Monday 15th March 2010, Calder Park had not made the application to Council.

This issue combined with threatening... legal correspondence regarding the Occupancy Permit and the changes to and subsequent uncertainties of the commercial agreement, were totally unacceptable. I had always proceeded on the assurance that the venue Calder Park had all the necessary planning permits and satisfied all regulatory requirements for the conduct of public entertainment.

Under the circumstances as of Monday 15th March I was unable and unwilling to proceed. My case rests.

Yours sincerely


Jon Davison
Promoter EASTERNATS

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Owell atleast you now know why the bid failed....

far out dude.

what do you think they should start with huh? go on. tell us. a go kart track?

[trippytaka]

The football codes are able to bounce back from one anti-social behavioural crisis to another. Why? Because they have an organised, well funded business models behind them that puts good PR and marketing people and a lot of money into moulding and fixing public opinion of the players and the codes.

The only way for the motoring community to change the way we are perceived would be to create an official representitive body that helps look after our interests. Rally, drag, circuit, street, business etc... all combined under the one roof. (Please don't anyone mention the PRTC - completely toothless thus far).

Set up like a political party, it would take donations from lobby groups, invite paying members. It would blast the media with feel good angles and stories about the amount of good work we do, like charity cruises and car shows. It would hold huge annual fundraising events. It would have celebrities (like Eric Bana etc) as spokespeople. It would publicly denounce the anti-social behaviour. It would seek to boycott businesses and drag teams that are involved in illegal activities - we all know the kinds of groups I mean. It would pour money into nurturing young racing talent (much like the CAMS rising stars). It would become the face of driver training, nationally. It would fight to get into schools to change the attitudes of young people towards driving. It would fight for the license systems and tests to include driver training (through our training centres, of course).

Benefits for fully paid members would include discounts to workshops and vendors that sign up, much like the NRMA. Discounts to driving events like V8 Supercars etc. It would work with other community groups and events (V8 Supercars, charities etc) to legitimise itself.

It would take a solid 5-10 years to gain any kind of solid momentum in the media, but at least we'd be doing something. Hell, maybe in 10 years it would become a fully-fledged political party at a state level to try and raise awareness against revenue raising using motorists etc.

An no, I haven't been toking on the crake pipe. I'm just living in a fantasy for a second. Anyway, it's a completely legitimate idea and could be self-sufficiant... it's just that no one out there has the kind of vision or $$$$ behind them to get the ball rolling.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by 9triton

got this from another forum

Thanks for that, should answer a lot of questions and also will point to many posts with misinformed or made up information.

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Thanks for that, should answer a lot of questions and also will point to many posts with misinformed or made up information.

I wonder if any apologies will be made?

[bcnyah351]

Originally Posted by Brent

I think that two issues are being confused here. Firstly, there's the issue of street machiners being hard done-by with regard to facilities. Are they? Well, probably yes. Personally, I don't race so I won't go into the finer points of who's stooging who.

Then there's the 2nd issue, and this is where I havea problem. If you don't get what you ask for, you go beserk and cause trouble. Just because you haven't got something (paid for by somebody else mind you) doesn't mean you're backed into a corner, ready to 'lash out'. That's BS. Its an excuse for behaving like an animal, and its a copout. Period.

I'm sure there are other sportspeople in Australia who lament the absence of facilities in which to pursue their sport. If you're into power boat racing, do you riot becase the State Govt won't build you a 5km water course upon which to race? If you're a yachtie or a fisherman do you go apedroppings because of the lack of affordable local marina berths which are almost exclusively for the wealthy?

Live's tough. You don't always get what you want handed to you on a silver platter. Doesn't mean you throw a bourbon-fired tantrum. Suck it up and behave like a human. If you're really passionate, lobby your local councillor, parliamentarian, or instead of spending your welfare cheque on Jim Beam, Winnie Blues and Maccas, go and donate to your chosen motorsport club/industry group so that you have a better 'voice' with government.

I don't care what you grievance is. You don't go destroying public and private property and acting like a knob.

you got it in one word knob; half the **** wits did not even own a car and a third did not even know why thay were there those that are pationat about there cars were no were to be seen as thay know it was a WAST OF TIME only tools would turn up some one else posted whome would have such a {PROTEST**** if that was what was tobe at 11.30 pm on a friday night the law has been blitzing there for the last month . so does it realy tack half a brain not to go and to think what was going to happin l think not 98 percent were there for trouble my rant :