HSV's are getting a weight loss.

bman · 09-10-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Except they wont, they're made a clear statement that atleast for the near term power is frozen where it is.
They've already said technology is the way forward...

First step for the VE was more aero, that has been acomplished with the Holden Series II and some of the areo upgrades (not the front end) will filter doen to HSV. Next step is a weight reduction and they are roumored to be looking for 100kg.

No power hike, FPV have this one in the bag for the next two or three years and even then FPV can just turn up the pressure on that SC to easily match what ever HSV dish out!!

bman · 09-10-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Intersting take on it... which review did you actually read..?

eerr...i think you had best read it again.....

4Vman · 09-10-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

First step for the VE was more aero, that has been acomplished with the Holden Series II and some of the areo upgrades (not the front end) will filter doen to HSV. Next step is a weight reduction and they are roumored to be looking for 200kg.

No power hike, FPV have this one in the bag for the next two or three years and even then FPV can just turn up the pressure on that SC to easily match what ever HSV dish out!!

Was? nup, nothing new in the aero there, 200kg weight loss?? You're cracking me up! seriously.. If they can shed 10kg's that's a great achievement..
Anyway back to GS and how its going to spank the HSV..

bman · 09-10-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Was? nup, nothing new in the aero there, 200kg weight loss?? You're cracking me up! seriously.. If they can shed 10kg's that's a great achievement..
Anyway back to GS and how its going to spank the HSV..

200 is a typo....100kg is the word....apologies its late.

So far its looking like the GS in a straight line will trounce HSV, but HSV shouldn't be the bench mark....or should it? What about the rest of the package? There was no mention of the improved steering from the weight loss.

Did anybody read the Herald today, they had a special on it and they seemed to indicate that there was not improvement in the steering??

4Vman · 09-10-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

200 is a typo....100kg is the word....apologies its late.

So far its looking like the GS in a straight line will trounce HSV, but HSV shouldn't be the bench mark....or should it? What about the rest of the package? There was no mention of the improved steering from the weight loss.

Did anybody read the Herald today, they had a special on it and they seemed to indicate that there was not improvement in the steering??

100kg sounds like a huge typo too, maybe over 5-10 years, but 1-3? try single digits....

You'd cry if i told you what it costs to shed 1kg form a vehicle....

galaxy xr8 · 10-10-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bman

ok, gotcha. Looking forward to a full blown review then

You seem to want to focus on the negitives all the time especially on this new S/C, Don't tell me your brand new HSV is far superior, well it would be in your eyes, either that or you want to believe it is by reading all the dribble and pointing out the negitives.

tex · 10-10-2010, 10:19 AM

Hahahaha, that bboy fellow is a crack up, he's full of accurate Holden stats that's for sure.

I have never actually read a review on the FG that actually said the steering was crap, I'll have to expand my search.

Aero improvements? Yeh, that's what's needed to improve the handling at 100kmph. They should have spent 10 mill on that, and only fitted half a pump.

bman · 10-10-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

100kg sounds like a huge typo too, maybe over 5-10 years, but 1-3? try single digits....

You'd cry if i told you what it costs to shed 1kg form a vehicle....

Holden and HSV are looking for 100, apparently bringing in engineers from a leading euro car maker. I cant imagine that they will get there but the next platform will be a smaller affair. The future for the falcon/torus a smaller affair as well?

Compare the falcon and como to euro equivelant and there is no doubting the fact that they are both fatties!!! Even a 5 Series is sub 1700kg and look at what they cram into that package.....

bman · 10-10-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

You seem to want to focus on the negitives all the time especially on this new S/C, Don't tell me your brand new HSV is far superior, well it would be in your eyes, either that or you want to believe it is by reading all the dribble and pointing out the negitives.

no not at all, trying to remain objective and not fall in love with a car I have not even driven yet.....but if fpv have spent $40M on this new engine and are still getting mixed reviews....

I have no love for either Ford or Holden, I love aussie muscle and that is where it ends.

I wand this SC falcon to be a HSV killer, HSV have had it too good for too long, no competition.....just look at the face of the E2.....clearly they were not worried about putting what is essentially a pretty ugly nose on the market. They need to have sales competition because in the end you and i as consumers will benifit with better quality for less.....$85k+ for a GTS???

**DJM83** · 10-10-2010, 11:08 AM

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no not at all, trying to remain objective and not fall in love with a car I have not even driven yet.....but if fpv have spent $40M on this new engine and are still getting mixed reviews....

I have no love for either Ford or Holden, I love aussie muscle and that is where it ends.

I wand this SC falcon to be a HSV killer, HSV have had it too good for too long, no competition.....just look at the face of the E2.....clearly they were not worried about putting what is essentially a pretty ugly nose on the market. They need to have sales competition because in the end you and i as consumers will benifit with better quality for less.....$85k+ for a GTS???

Name one Aussie car that hasnt received a bad review?

4Vman · 10-10-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bman

Holden and HSV are looking for 100, apparently bringing in engineers from a leading euro car maker. I cant imagine that they will get there but the next platform will be a smaller affair. The future for the falcon/torus a smaller affair as well?

Compare the falcon and como to euro equivelant and there is no doubting the fact that they are both fatties!!! Even a 5 Series is sub 1700kg and look at what they cram into that package.....

Are you suggesting Ford aren't on a similar quest to reduce weight, or any car manufacturer for that matter? Maybe they'll be able to match Holden Kg for Kg in the weightloss game?
What's a C63 weigh?

Seems unusual that you think only Holden have this as a focus..

Its easy to pull numbers out of the sky and say "that's our aim", maybe its best to focus on what we know and how they sit today?

Can you post/quote all the bad reviews too?

bman · 10-10-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Are you suggesting Ford aren't on a similar quest to reduce weight, or any car manufacturer for that matter? Maybe they'll be able to match Holden Kg for Kg in the weightloss game?
What's a C63 weigh?

Seems unusual that you think only Holden have this as a focus..

Its easy to pull numbers out of the sky and say "that's our aim", maybe its best to focus on what we know and how they sit today?

Can you post/quote all the bad reviews too?

no doubt every car manufacture would like to cut kilos but its not fords focus ATM, for Holden Areo and now weight loss is their prime focus....no more power hikes.

what bad reviews?? I have onle seen this one here and the one yesterday in the Herald which was a resounding thumbs up however mentioned that the vauge steering and in ability to match HSV or the F6 for turn in capabilities had not been fixed. Which I was hoping would be with the reduction of weight over the front wheels.

bman · 10-10-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Name one Aussie car that hasnt received a bad review?

um....err......let me see......eer.....nup.......you have me on that one!!!

4Vman · 10-10-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bman

no doubt every car manufacture would like to cut kilos but its not fords focus ATM, for Holden Areo and now weight loss is their prime focus....no more power hikes.

what bad reviews?? I have onle seen this one here and the one yesterday in the Herald which was a resounding thumbs up however mentioned that the vauge steering and in ability to match HSV or the F6 for turn in capabilities had not been fixed. Which I was hoping would be with the reduction of weight over the front wheels.

How do you know Ford arent focusing on reducing the weight of the Falcon??

Just because Holden "claim" it doesnt mean Ford are any less focused and commited to it too...

1 brief review means little at such an early stage regarding handling of the GS...
Lets wait for some comprehensive back to back tests and also what the GT brings with its different settings..

galaxy xr8 · 10-10-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

How do you know Ford arent focusing on reducing the weight of the Falcon??

Just because Holden "claim" it doesnt mean Ford are any less focused and commited to it too...

1 brief review means little at such an early stage regarding handling of the GS...
Lets wait for some comprehensive back to back tests and also what the GT brings with its different settings..

Because he hasn't read it anywhere yet, so it must be true...

bman · 10-10-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

How do you know Ford arent focusing on reducing the weight of the Falcon??

Just because Holden "claim" it doesnt mean Ford are any less focused and commited to it too...

1 brief review means little at such an early stage regarding handling of the GS...
Lets wait for some comprehensive back to back tests and also what the GT brings with its different settings..

have ford formally announced like holden that they are? No. So with that I would assume that they are not as focused on it as holden ATM.

Agree....looking forward to a full 'blown' review of the GT, rubbing my hands with excitment. Hopefully by XMAS one of the mags will pitch the GTS v GT and have some track comparisons.

When is the new falc' due in showrooms/test drives to then public?

bman · 10-10-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Because he hasn't read it anywhere yet, so it must be true...

ah.......correct! ford have not said (unlike holden) that weight loss is now the focus.....so I would assume that it is not unless or until someone can show me otherwise.

4Vman · 10-10-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bman

have ford formally announced like holden that they are? No. So with that I would assume that they are not as focused on it as holden ATM.

Are you really serious??

That's an extremely presumptuous position to take.. EXTREMELY presumptuous..
FFS just because Ford dont publicise what their R+D focuses are doesnt mean they're not doing it..

galaxy xr8 · 10-10-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bman

ah.......correct! ford have not said (unlike holden) that weight loss is now the focus.....so I would assume that it is not unless or until someone can show me otherwise.

Mate you need to look at all aspect's and not focus to much on what you may or may not have read in a Sun Paper, I've read lot's of thing's in the paper, like Elvis is still alive,

tex · 10-10-2010, 12:06 PM

b0son · 10-10-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Mate you need to look at all aspect's and not focus to much on what you may or may not have read in a Sun Paper

what an ironic thing to say, considering when there's any mention of the Falcon potentially being used as the platform for some car in the US, you're all prepared to take it as gospel.

bman · 10-10-2010, 12:25 PM

OMG PEOPLE!!

ASSUME; to take for granted or without proof; suppose; postulate

Your telling me that I am doing something that I myself am saying that I am doing....so intelligent of you......

bman · 10-10-2010, 12:30 PM

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what an ironic thing to say, considering when there's any mention of the Falcon potentially being used as the platform for some car in the US, you're all prepared to take it as gospel.

yeah funny that.....forums are full of assumptions and pressumptions and this one is no different, but when somebody assumes something that would seem to go against the grain oh boy do the knifes come out.....

anyway, back to the topic of the forum hey.....

cant wait for a GT review!