Vfacts August 2011

[Resurrection]

Things to take note of when the data is released:

Territory - will the new model continue the strong start?
Falcon - EcoLPI was delayed so will not figure in this data. Another sub-2000 month.

Cruze - how close will it get to the Commodore?

[LeadFoot81]

Also how has the new Focus fared?

[blk6t]

I can honestly say that I have seen more new territories on the road these past two weeks than I have new FPV's since the new V8 was released. Not a direct comparison I know, but it appears the territories are selling quite well

[charles_wif_xf]

Mondeos too. I have seen many new ones in the past three weeks, way more than in previous months.

[4.0i OHC]

I'm seeing Mondeos everywhere I go now. I don't blame the public for buying them; they're a great car in so many respects.

I expect Mondeo to come second in its segment to Camry this month.

Edit: From my observations at least, the Mondeo seems to have a great 'word of mouth' reputation that, unfortunately, the Falcon doesn't seem to enjoy, even though it deserves to. Those that have heard of the Mondeo either rave about how good the car is or say something to the effect of "What's that like? I hear some great things about it".

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Also how has the new Focus fared?

Deserves to fail. It offers nothing over the LV Focus. From my observations at least, the takeup rate hasn't been very strong. I've only ever seen the one in the wild (hatch, on the Victoria Bridge).

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by fairlaneman

Deserves to fail. It offers nothing over the LV Focus. From my observations at least, the takeup rate hasn't been very strong. I've only ever seen the one in the wild (hatch, on the Victoria Bridge).

Are you serious??

Have you driven one?

I have driven a Diesel Titanium and it shat all over the LV....

[csv8]

My opinion of the new Focus is the Titanium is overpriced..$38k driveaway???
The other models are priced competitively..The salesman said "the price reflects the European quality and technology" at that price, I would be looking at a Mondeo Zetec. I know you don't pay retail but if you got it down to $36k..its still exxy for a mid size car.. Its up against the Kia Optima, i45, Suzy's Kizashi etc..Ford are going to have a hard time selling the Titanium, at that price. I expect it might be dropped within a year, like the Focus Ghia was.Shame, nice car..wrong price.

[Gobes32]

Originally Posted by blk6t

I can honestly say that I have seen more new territories on the road these past two weeks than I have new FPV's since the new V8 was released. Not a direct comparison I know, but it appears the territories are selling quite well

Because it is a car built for the masses, i.e families etc. The V8's are targeted at an increasingly small crowd. In fact, the slow take up of miami powered FPV's should almost ensure that no more development takes place, the costs involved versus sales volume does not justify it.

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Are you serious??

Have you driven one?

I have driven a Diesel Titanium and it shat all over the LV....

No.

However, so many reviews state that the Focus has lost its edge. The exceptional steering feel of the LV has been dulled down considerably. The Focus appears to have lost its 'edge', the very aspect of it that placed it head and shoulders above others in the class.

What's with diesel and sedan being auto (yeah, I know) only?

[Fordman]

Well it certainatly didnt have the 'edge' in sales thats for sure. *ducks for cover*

[Ford_The_Win]

Personally I love the new Focus, it is much easier on the eyes than the godforsaken Mazda 3, a very stylish and sophisticated little car full of fancy gadgets. A massive leap over the last one.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

Personally I love the new Focus, it is much easier on the eyes than the godforsaken Mazda 3, a very stylish and sophisticated little car full of fancy gadgets. A massive leap over the last one.

The front of the new Focus looks better than the Mazda 3, however the rear of the new Focus, both sedan and hatch, makes me physically ill every time I see one.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by fairlaneman

No.

However, so many reviews state that the Focus has lost its edge. The exceptional steering feel of the LV has been dulled down considerably. The Focus appears to have lost its 'edge', the very aspect of it that placed it head and shoulders above others in the class.

What's with diesel and sedan being auto (yeah, I know) only?

Well I've driven one and I think it drives much better then many of the LS, LT, LV's I have driven previously.

I would pay $36 kay for the Diesel Titanium, its basically a Mondeo Titanium in a smaller body, its all relative.. Mondeo Titanium is 10 kay more.

Even the base models are a better car to drive then the old LV, more power, quieter and the build quality smacks LV in the face (minus LV XR5)....

[aston]

I drove a Diesel Titanium also and can say I was very impressed. I own an LV XR5...Will wait to the new ST to update...but was very tempted by the Titanium Diesel. I was surprised how much it didn't sound like a diesel and the torque that the thing has, is well....much like the XR5 actually.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

Because it is a car built for the masses, i.e families etc. The V8's are targeted at an increasingly small crowd. In fact, the slow take up of miami powered FPV's should almost ensure that no more development takes place, the costs involved versus sales volume does not justify it.

cars that cost more to run are always going to suffer during a period of economic downturn and uncertainty, i would`nt write them off just yet, we are not short of uncertainty at the moment, in fact ......i will bet there will be a bit of a revival in the large car market in the next two years, i won`t say more than that ;).

[383 GXL]

Originally Posted by stevz

The front of the new Focus looks better than the Mazda 3, however the rear of the new Focus, both sedan and hatch, makes me physically ill every time I see one.

some people need to get a life

[GT69]

Originally Posted by fairlaneman

No.

However, so many reviews state that the Focus has lost its edge. The exceptional steering feel of the LV has been dulled down considerably. The Focus appears to have lost its 'edge', the very aspect of it that placed it head and shoulders above others in the class.

What's with diesel and sedan being auto (yeah, I know) only?

Whats the point of having an 'edge' if your smashed in sales each month by your competitors. Give the masses a 'dulled down' car selling 1500+ a month over a 'sharp' car that barely cracks 1000.

On the auto, god alone knows. I like manuals, but buy auto's. Its the way the masses are leaning. With auto technology getting better and better, soon it will be the only option.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by GT69

Whats the point of having an 'edge' if your smashed in sales each month by your competitors. Give the masses a 'dulled down' car selling 1500+ a month over a 'sharp' car that barely cracks 1000.

On the auto, god alone knows. I like manuals, but buy auto's. Its the way the masses are leaning. With auto technology getting better and better, soon it will be the only option.

It's not all about sales figures, it's about profit per unit. Ford is charging more for the new Focus so we can assume they are making more profit especially on the higher end models.

[In Focus]

Originally Posted by csv8

My opinion of the new Focus is the Titanium is overpriced..$38k driveaway???
The other models are priced competitively..The salesman said "the price reflects the European quality and technology" at that price, I would be looking at a Mondeo Zetec. I know you don't pay retail but if you got it down to $36k..its still exxy for a mid size car.. Its up against the Kia Optima, i45, Suzy's Kizashi etc..Ford are going to have a hard time selling the Titanium, at that price. I expect it might be dropped within a year, like the Focus Ghia was.Shame, nice car..wrong price.

You can certainly pick one up for under $38k, in fact there's about fifty nationwide under $36k...

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...g|0&Ntk=CarAll

[GT69]

Originally Posted by Davez621

It's not all about sales figures, it's about profit per unit. Ford is charging more for the new Focus so we can assume they are making more profit especially on the higher end models.

Yes that's right, my apologize, that's what I was getting at. Profit @ the potential cost of some enthusiasts. Profit is king in business, providing the great products continue and they (ford) can start rebuilding consumer confidence in the brand, I can see a bright future for the blue oval

[MrZ]

The new Focus pricing is actually pretty good compared to 10 years ago.

2002 Focus Ghia sedan auto = $31,470. Power = 85 kW.
2012 Focus Titanium sedan auto = $32,590. Power = 125 kW.

So in 10 years, price increase of only $1120. Yet power increase of 47% and a tonne more standard equipment.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Davez621

The new Focus pricing is actually pretty good compared to 10 years ago.

2002 Focus Ghia sedan auto = $31,470. Power = 85 kW.
2012 Focus Titanium sedan auto = $32,590. Power = 125 kW.

So in 10 years, price increase of only $1120. Yet power increase of 47% and a tonne more standard equipment.

The cheapest diesel Focus you can buy is over $34,000 on the road,
You can get an i30 diesel for around $22,500 drive away.
I know the Focus is better but is it $12,000 better?

[Sorted]

VFacts my *** - hope when they do come out some one starts a new thread with the facts in the first page

[csv8]

Originally Posted by In Focus

You can certainly pick one up for under $38k, in fact there's about fifty nationwide under $36k...

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...g|0&Ntk=CarAll

Those prices are very different to what my dealer quoted me...

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Sorted

VFacts my *** - hope when they do come out some one starts a new thread with the facts in the first page

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Sorted

VFacts my *** - hope when they do come out some one starts a new thread with the facts in the first page

I think Moderators should not permit "V Facts" threads that have no data in the first few posts,
that specific title should be subject to approval by moderators because it applies to monthly data
that a lot of people are waiting to see...

Starting a thread on the first of the month is pointless, it normally takes the Federated
Chamber of Commerce and Industry around two to three working days to release sales data.

[vztrt]

Anyway...some of the US data.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/01/a...overy-edition/

Company - Diff - Aug 2011

Chrysler Group 30.63 130,119
Nissan NA 19.15 91,541
GM 18.15 218,479
BMW Group -0.17 23,924
Jaguar Land Rover NA -8.62 3,617
Ford Mo Co 11.39 175,220
Toyota Mo Co -12.74 129,483
American Honda -24.29 82,321

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Anyway...some of the US data.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/01/a...overy-edition/

August sales in the USA.....
Caprice PPV: 203
Crown Victoria: 4,879

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I think Moderators should not permit "V Facts" threads that have no data in the first few posts,
that specific title should be subject to approval by moderators because it applies to monthly data
that a lot of people are waiting to see...

Starting a thread on the first of the month is pointless, it normally takes the Federated
Chamber of Commerce and Industry around two to three working days to release sales data.

Exactly. I get all excited thinking there's sales data but all there is is BS debate about what will be.