First drive: Honda Civic Type-R prototype

[Wretched]

Having bailed out of Formula One and fast cars when a bunch of banking morons tried to take the world back to the Stone Age in 2008, Honda has had a seriously lack-lustre half decade. Now, with the new NSX a year or so away and an F1 engine deal with old partner McLaren locked in from the 2015, that mislaid mojo has been well and truly located.

And there’s good news in the real world, too. If you saw Honda’s brilliant Civic Type-R film a few months ago, you’ll have gathered at least two important things. Firstly, that after languishing in purgatory for a few years, there’s actually going to be a new Civic Type-R. And secondly, that it looks and sounds like a bit of an old-school turbo nutter b*****d.

Well now we know, because topgear.com has just done four laps of Honda’s Tochigi test track in a prototype, and if nothing else we’ve discovered a new cure for jet lag. This isn’t a car so much as a force of nature.

Although it’s no secret that the Japanese can sometimes be a little difficult to fathom, the new Civic Type-R’s mission is crystal clear: its creators won’t rest until this is the fastest hot hatch round the Nürburgring. In fact, they’re not going to go home until it turns in a sub-eight minute lap of the Nordschleife. WTCC driver Gabriele Tarquini is getting close to that, which is a hell of an achievement for a 2.0-litre front drive hatch.

We’ve got nothing like the ’Ring’s hellish variety of twists and turns to play with today, but the genius of the new Type-R is that it feels bang on the money the second you put your foot on the clutch pedal. Not least because it actually has a clutch pedal, rather than flappy paddles. Its action, and the weight of all the other primary controls, is also satisfyingly abrupt. Type-R fans will be similarly thrilled to see the return of the titanium gear-knob, and the seats are brilliantly supportive semi-race jobs. Simply put, it feels right.

The engine is an all-new direct injection 2.0-litre single turbo four with VTEC and variable timing control producing – and this is the important bit – at least 280bhp. Project team leader Suechiro Hasshi won’t budge when pushed on the exact figure. ‘How much power? It’s 280bhp. More than 280, actually. People say that this is the limit owing to current suspension technology and the performance. But more is… not impossible.’

That’s that not settled, then.

It takes just the right amount of finesse to get the Type-R off the line smoothly, another sign that this is a true driver’s car. The gearbox is wrist-flicky if not rifle-bolt mechanical, and there’s a bit of lag at low revs. But then it wakes up like a small animal with something spicy on its bum. Between 2000 and 5000rpm, there’s close to 300lb ft of torque, and the red line whooshes into view in an addictively turbo-thrusty fashion, signalled by a green to red strip light in the instrument display. There’s also little sign of any torque steer, so whatever they’ve done to the front suspension is effective. (Hasshi won’t give that up, either.) It’s seriously grunty and punchy.

The Type-R retains the standard car’s torsion beam rear, which is likely to deny it the ultimate poise of the multi-linked Focus ST or Golf GTI. Consequently, it feels super stiff, even on Tochigi’s smooth tarmac, so God knows how that’ll translate to a blistered British B-road. But it has a fabulously pointy front end, turns in brilliantly, and feels properly joined-up. Push the little ‘R’ button nestling beside the steering column, and you get weightier steering, sharper throttle response, a reduced traction control threshold, and even less compliance from the dampers. Suddenly, you can see how sub-eight seconds round the ’Ring might be doable.

The Type-R also looks the business, sharky, fighty and downright mean, especially in the development car’s matt black finish. Some serious aero work has clearly gone on, work that is ongoing, according to Hasshi-san, in the search for optimum balance and stability. The exact shape and form of the rear wing is still evolving, and while the test car is wearing 235/35 Continental rubber on 19in rims, new tyres are being developed for the production car. Here are a few other random nuggets: a hybrid powertrain was never considered, despite Honda’s expertise, the final car will contain some aluminium in an effort to reduce weight, and the Civic Type-R is targeting best-in-class CO2 numbers.

‘It will become even more aggressive,’ Hasshi adds with a smile.

There’s only one downside, as far we can tell. The damn thing’s not due on sale until mid-2015

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/c...ive-2013-11-19

[Nikked]

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[Polyal]

So no normal manual? Stuff these flappy paddle things seriously. It looks rad.

[DJM83]

Dont mind it. Dont like the average civic. But this looks good. Pity no manual but.

[Polyal]

Pretty un-Honda like to not have a conventional manual though. Surely it will be there..DSG etc is still an auto.

[Kable72]

I don't like them gumby looking front wheel flares.

[usernametaken]

looks very wrx from the rear

[jpblue1000]

'Not least because it actually has a clutch pedal, rather than flappy paddles'
It is a traditional manual!

JP

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

'Not least because it actually has a clutch pedal, rather than flappy paddles'
It is a traditional manual!

JP

Opps..Good call...skipped through quickly during work.

[Bossxr8]

The thing looks production ready, why is it two years away. GoAuto asked the same question. They couldn't figure it out.

But it doesn't look too bad.

[Franco Cozzo]

Turbo, bif different from their usual 8000RPM N/A screamers.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Dont mind it. Dont like the average civic. But this looks good. Pity no manual but.

Maybe I should read it properly first :

Be interesting to see how it handles with the torsion beam rear.

[DreadlyST]

This is prob Hondas entry for the 2014 WTCC championship, as next year the rules are changing, going from 1.6L Turbos to 2L turbos. As Tarquini is the top WTCC Honda Driver that's prob why he is doing the testing at the ring!
On another note Ford are also going to return to WTCC, prob not till 2015 though!

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Maybe I should read it properly first :

Be interesting to see how it handles with the torsion beam rear.

Should be ok, the MeganeRS runs a torsion beam suspension too.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Should be ok, the MeganeRS runs a torsion beam suspension too.

so does the fiesta and mazda 3 and many other front drivers and it suits them very well.

The rear of the FWD is just to hold the shopping off the floor! and protect the paint on the rear bumper.

JP

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Should be ok, the MeganeRS runs a torsion beam suspension too.

Learn something new everyday.

[nstg8a]

About time honda started building turbos again.

[barra240t]

VTEC+Turbo = good

[Polyal]

Its a pretty interesting mix, the turbo should be geared for pre-VTEC range and then you have it scream up the top. Pretty cool in theory.

[Wretched]

Bit of a thread mine here.

e know from the near-production-ready concept that it’ll look pretty mad, but we’re now starting to get the stats through that confirm the new Civic Type-R will be pretty mad to drive too. Along with these teaser images, Honda has released a few titbits of information about its new hot hatch to whet our appetite. And there’s one detail that’s very successful at achieving just that: it’ll do 167mph…

o put that in context, the car’s chief rivals - the Renault Megane 275 Trophy and Seat Leon Cupra 280 - manage 158mph and 155mph respectively (the latter electronically limited).

The new Type-R is expected to run around 300bhp, but it’s not just power that’ll help it obliterate the competition in terms of top speed. It’s down to the complex aero package which increases downforce and reduces lift.

The Type-R will get a flat underside, which aids airflow to the rear diffuser, sucking the car onto the road. Also at the rear is a ‘bespoke’ wing, which is hopefully as bonkers as the one seen on the concept. A wide front splitter and chunky sideskirts manage airflow and reduce lift, meanwhile, and the front bumper’s specific shape cuts down on turbulence around the front wheels.

In other news, we’re told that the front brakes will comprise of 350mm discs and chunky four-pot callipers.

Want to see the whole shebang in the metal? It’ll make its debut at next month’s Geneva motorshow.

http://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-...ph-mega-hatch/

[Polyal]

Yeap still think its cool.

The +R button looks nice...start/stop in an awkward spot?

Looks like Honda is coming back with a statement...awesome.

[fgpsi]

Ugh... Candidate for ugliest car of the year. What a ugly piece of junk

[PepeLePew]

Though that steering wheel makes me drool as i rush out to my FG tiller shortly

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Ugh... Candidate for ugliest car of the year. What a ugly piece of junk

That's alright...I'd happily park it next to my ugly AU.

[Fordman1]

Are those front fenders made of cut up cardboard boxes ?

[Wretched]

Fastest FWD around the 'ring.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...g-record-video

[Polyal]

Its going to be very interesting and all come down to price now. It would want to be cheap than the Focus RS.

[DJM83]

Also not confirmed for OZ either.

[Wretched]

M3 vs RS3 vs TypeR
https://youtu.be/X3n7zhb7aN8

Seat vs Renault vs Type R
https://youtu.be/KlGCZiFyqVw

[Franco Cozzo]

Feels good to see Honda back on the map for hot hatches.

For nearly a decade they turned into the less successful beige cardigan brigade manufacturer, trying to emulate Toyota.