Will LPG see a new renaissance?

[marty351]

With global uncertainty, Biden's inflation and Australia's gas reserves, is it possible a new resurgence of LPG/CNG vehicles will make a comeback?

[b0son]

You mean in the same way vinyl has?

Is the hipster market that big? I thought they only wanted EVs?

[Wretched]

lol - nope.

[jpd80]

If anything, the government will probably move to increase LPG excise to the same as petrol

[mad2]

Originally Posted by jpd80

If anything, the government will probably move to increase LPG excise to the same as petrol

[CyberWasp]

Yes, lets get our Car Manufacturers onboard with this and tell them to.....

Hang on a sec....

[Franco Cozzo]

Bring back the mixer ring and wiring looms connected by scotch locks crimped by pliers, so we can all run around in back firing, slow, thirsty **** heaps on LPG

What killed LPG was the dodgy aftermarket conversions and holding onto the ridiculous mixer ring setup.

[wodahs]

but the time they had it organized to start back up the lpg setups
it be back on the decline and would be worth it

probably have transporters before this happened
scotty beam me to work

[eb2fairmont]

Not a hope in hell.

We make more money on selling gas overseas, so much so it is easier to buy it back than get it here.

And who wants to make their car run like dog do do anyway?

What killed LPG was crummy conversions, and that the govt subsidised install costs - so installers jacked up prices and started with "you're system needs to be replaced" for any minor issues recorded.

Best Lpg was the ecolpi falcons but too late for most.


Funny, last time fuel got jacked up people stopped buying falcons and commmdores - market shifted to 4 cyl and diesel just about overnight.

This time I think it will shift to electric - oil companies will stuff themselves over this time.

[Crazy Dazz]

Newsflash for all those living in caves, it's already started.

Yes, when we started exporting our LPG, the effect of parity pricing was a big dent in demand for LPG. However the skyrocketing price of petrol has seen many people either getting old systems fixed, or looking at new ones.

Yes, cars have on average become much more fuel efficient, and taken a quantum leap form the days when the market was dominated by guzzling local "big Aussie sixes." But people have adapted to "the new normal", and whereas once consumers would have been ecstatic with any car getting better than 10km/l, now they are crying again.

Contrary to popular urban myth, buyers did not abandon big thirsty passenger cars for economical little buzz-boxes. They moved to SUVs and pickup trucks.
Diesels, long the saviour in those markets, is on the nose and on the way out in passenger vehicles. Up until now Euro standards have allowed significant leeway for diesels, but the ****ers in Brussels are tightening the noose.
Sure whilst the modern petrol and hybrid replacements are much more economical than their ancestors, they are still ripe for LPG conversion.
And whilst diesel commercial vehicles will remain for many decades yet, the hippies running our governments will ensure that most buses run on NG.

As alluded to above, the technological gap, whereby modern engines were neutered with ancient LPG systems, undoubtedly contributed to the demise of LPG. However LPG technology has now caught up.

You need to remember that a lot of this is driven by supply and demand. 15 years ago when gas was cheap, and there was a $3k subsidy, a crappy mixer system cost $3k (surprise surprise) and a top of the line system was around $6k. Last I looked, that price had halved.

Lastly, there is now HUGE focus again on gas systems. Mostly based on on using either Green or Blue Ammonia, but it all helps

[hackney]

LPG is $1.09.9 we’re I live!

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

As alluded to above, the technological gap, whereby modern engines were neutered with ancient LPG systems, undoubtedly contributed to the demise of LPG. However LPG technology has now caught up.

Too little too late. We're moving beyond burning stuff.

[Dr Terry]

We don't export much LPG, the big one is CNG. Many confuse the two.

Dr Terry

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

We don't export much LPG, the big one is CNG. Many confuse the two.

Dr Terry

Actually, this is not quite correct, Australia exports Natural Gas in Liquified form (LNG)

Compared to LNG ships there are very few CNG gas buggies plying the oceans, I've never seen one leaving Australia and i doubt i will as all our gas refineries involved in export create LNG....in fact Australia is not far of reclaiming the crown of world’s biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas (LNG)

[b0son]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

in fact Australia is not far of reclaiming the crown of world’s biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas (LNG)

Great. Here comes more misreporting from The Guardian and their ilk accusing us of being one of the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas...

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Actually, this is not quite correct, Australia exports Natural Gas in Liquified form (LNG)

Compared to LNG ships there are very few CNG gas buggies plying the oceans, I've never seen one leaving Australia and i doubt i will as all our gas refineries involved in export create LNG....in fact Australia is not far of reclaiming the crown of world’s biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas (LNG)

You are correct of course. To me CNG & LNG are almost the same. AFAIK they transport it as LNG & it is stored in vehicles etc. as CNG.

Dr Terry

[Vesper Martini]

If only car companies put a poofteenth of the money towards developing purpose built LPG engines or LPG/Diesel engines that they put towards EV.

remember even the best system we've seen is an add on to an existing Engine.

Imagine an LPG engine capable of 10L/100 or less
or line haul trucks emitting no soot.

[wodahs]

BHP havr comercial adds here in WA promoting how a gas future they see is and 1 point of the add is how the ship it to asia to help them with their carbon out put issue helping with a greener future

https://www.asiafinancial.com/woodsi...gh-lng-project

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by b0son

Too little too late. We're moving beyond burning stuff.

agreed too little to late. Can I ask what you drive Boson?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Newsflash for all those living in caves, it's already started.

Yes, when we started exporting our LPG, the effect of parity pricing was a big dent in demand for LPG. However the skyrocketing price of petrol has seen many people either getting old systems fixed, or looking at new ones.

Yes, cars have on average become much more fuel efficient, and taken a quantum leap form the days when the market was dominated by guzzling local "big Aussie sixes." But people have adapted to "the new normal", and whereas once consumers would have been ecstatic with any car getting better than 10km/l, now they are crying again.

Contrary to popular urban myth, buyers did not abandon big thirsty passenger cars for economical little buzz-boxes. They moved to SUVs and pickup trucks.
Diesels, long the saviour in those markets, is on the nose and on the way out in passenger vehicles. Up until now Euro standards have allowed significant leeway for diesels, but the ****ers in Brussels are tightening the noose.
Sure whilst the modern petrol and hybrid replacements are much more economical than their ancestors, they are still ripe for LPG conversion.
And whilst diesel commercial vehicles will remain for many decades yet, the hippies running our governments will ensure that most buses run on NG.

As alluded to above, the technological gap, whereby modern engines were neutered with ancient LPG systems, undoubtedly contributed to the demise of LPG. However LPG technology has now caught up.

You need to remember that a lot of this is driven by supply and demand. 15 years ago when gas was cheap, and there was a $3k subsidy, a crappy mixer system cost $3k (surprise surprise) and a top of the line system was around $6k. Last I looked, that price had halved.

Lastly, there is now HUGE focus again on gas systems. Mostly based on on using either Green or Blue Ammonia, but it all helps

Tell that to the servo's who are getting rid of LPG tanks and pumps, the days of LPG vehicles are numbered and declining rapidly.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

agreed too little to late. Can I ask what you drive Boson?

Can I ask why that matters, given we're discussing the direction the auto industry should, or is going to, move? Our next car will be an EV.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Imagine an LPG engine capable of 10L/100 or less

If I can build a 10L/100 LPG engine, I can probably build an equivalent petrol engine that does 5L/100. I can get petrol at every bowser, and I only have to fill up half as often.

I know there is a benefit of LPG vs petroleum in terms of emissions, but the selling points dont seem attractive enough to outweigh the downside.

[hackney]

As far as I am concerned LPG is not a cost effective fuel anymore.It’s dead in the water.

[eb2fairmont]

Why bother when you can buy an electric car which you can recharge at home? Don’t have to queue at the pump, the register while some dipstick gets a coffee.

And if you got solar get your fuel for free…

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by hackney

As far as I am concerned LPG is not a cost effective fuel anymore.It’s dead in the water.

At approximately half the price of unleaded it would still have to come out on top in a larger vehicle like an EcoLPI Falcon for example compared to unleaded equivalents.

A good used car proposition, assuming the local servo doesn't ditch the tanks.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

At approximately half the price of unleaded it would still have to come out on top in a larger vehicle like an EcoLPI Falcon for example compared to unleaded equivalents.

A good used car proposition, assuming the local servo doesn't ditch the tanks.

I use to own an Ecolpi Falcon,but @ $1.10.9 a litre,it is just not viable any more.Petrol will stabilise in price,just when is unknown.

[jpd80]

We now live in interesting times…..

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by b0son

Can I ask why that matters, given we're discussing the direction the auto industry should, or is going to, move? Our next car will be an EV.

thought so.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by b0son

If I can build a 10L/100 LPG engine, I can probably build an equivalent petrol engine that does 5L/100. I can get petrol at every bowser, and I only have to fill up half as often.

I know there is a benefit of LPG vs petroleum in terms of emissions, but the selling points dont seem attractive enough to outweigh the downside.

You kind of missed the point, and still basing your opinion on what currently out there with LPG.

the same way the selling points dont seem attractive enough to outweigh the downside for an EV for many yet.

[wodahs]

as much as the potential of LPG (or other cuts lng ect) in the automotive situations never reached its fullness
but also believe the movement in this direction has come and gone

and even tho I feel ill have at least 1 ice vehicle when I pass from this world I feel that ev will be the progression from here and if/when the situation happens I'd be getting one as well