This is one of the reasons why the justice system is screwed.

[XAGSV8]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...861388135.html

What is this country coming to when you can't protect yourself in your own home. If someone broke into my house I would keep beating them around the head too to ensure they were down and out and my family were safe. Discuss.

[AnthonyQLD]

Thats crap. Im with you GSWXA.

[gozza]

im with you mate...but its not the first where this has happened......

personally...if your private residence is illegally penetrated...then you should be in your rights to defend as seen necessary...if this means belting his head in out of fear that he'll get up...then so be it.....if it means taking a life to protect your family then so be it

[Mack 6]

I'd be saying
"I swear officer, he was a tough boy. Took 32 hits for him to stop coming at me and my poor wife and children"

[Outbackjack]

Its a bit like firing the warning shot after the first shot. He broke into a house using a lump of wood. He got what the justice system these days wont dish out..... Justice.

[Yellow Fire]

It hasn't been to trial yet. If he's found guilty it'll be a different story. Personally I'm all for beating the sh1t out of thieves. They're the lowest of the low.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Yeah dont jump the gun, lads - just coz he's been charged doesnt mean he'll be convicted. Id wager the judge will hand down a suspended sentence or something along those lines??

How much is too much tho? Hell yeah - smash him down to the ground but is it right to keep going and cave his skull in with a bat after he's been disabled? Damn straight you've got the right to protect your family but no one has the right to play god and decide this criminal no longer deserves to live.

[EF, What else?]

Originally Posted by GSWXA

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...861388135.html

What is this country coming to when you can't protect yourself in your own home. If someone broke into my house I would keep beating them around the head too to ensure they were down and out and my family were safe. Discuss.

Slow down, as a first year law student we were provided with some examples similar to this. The media reports on the facts, and what happened. But the judicial system hasn't even started yet! In mose cases similar to this, when it gets to the courts, it is found in favour of the property owner. If this wasnt the case, appeal the decision, Im sure the bloke would get a favourable outcome.

You are supposed to only the force necessary to defend yourself and property, the report says he continued beating him until he was on the ground, I say fair enough. However, if he kept going, thats where the problems would start arising.

I say let the system do its work, I mean nothing has been proven against anyone yet, before passing judgement. The issue isnt that the cops charged the bloke, its whether or not the courts will find for or against him

[aimzes]

yeah i think you should have the right to drop him but as soon as hes down you cant just keep hitting him and if hes still struggling there are other parts to aim at.. break his arm... a leg... he will stay down after that.

then roll him up in a carpet and throw him off a bridge!

[Walkinshaw]

The problem is the body/person was found.

Let this be a lesson. Knock em down, chuck em out(over a dam wall)

[aimzes]

The problem is the body/person was found.

anyone got a pig farm?

[pertuan]

I actually asked a cop about this when my house was broken into while I was asleep.

Copper said that I could hit the intruder IF they came at me.
I could not go after them and hit them.
I could not use a knife.
I had to give them a verbal warning first.

Then I asked them what happens if I get cornered into the kitchen and I grabbed a knife to defend myself and they came at me and stabbed themselves on my blade.
They said there would be an investigation but I would be charged and it would have to go to court.

Since then I've decided that anyone who comes into my house will be hit. I'm not gonna wait to be approached before I start to protect myself.. It could be too late by then. So I bought myself a 6 D-cell sized Maglite. Its my "torch". (read clubbing baton).

[rapidxr6]

Originally Posted by aimzes

anyone got a pig farm?

Not a pig farm but a Rat-Farm" i breed and sell rats & mice for reptile food.
I figure a fully grown body should last them about a month. But what to do with dem bones dem bones dem dry bones.? :
This house was broken into a few years back, 2 mondays in a row. It was 2 local teenagers my neighbour seen them leaving my back door on the second occasion. I publicly named and shamed them. I made them mow my lawn wearing signs around there neck saying THEIFS and DON'T TRUST ME. And this was on my work break up day. So i was peeved off to the eyeballs for missing out on an arvo of free grog. Best thing was everyone driving past allday giving the 2 young boys what they deserved. A few weeks later i was approched by one of the boys father who was not to happy about what i did...only one of us walked away.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by aimzes

anyone got a pig farm?

I remember years ago up near Mildura some place we went roo hunting on a freinds orchard.... Came back with the carcus's (SP?) and fed them to a neighbours pigs.... It was amazing to see three 4 or 5 foot roos just dissapear into the pigs belly. I always thought after that if I needed get get rid of a body..... thats the way to do it.

[Black XR6]

Originally Posted by pertuan

I had to give them a verbal warning first.

Lol. So it goes something like.

Home owner: "Excuse me mr robber person. Would you mind terribly much if you didnt continue ransacking my belonging, else I shall be force to pummel you about the head"

Robber: "Oh, Jolly good then, Ill be off now eh!"

Home owner: "Thank you very kindly, would you mind standing that vase back up on your way out?"

If you saw some intruder in your house are you guna give up the element of surprise and let him shoot you or something, or are you going to grab the nearest 3 wood and line up for a hole in one?

[Black XR6]

But what to do with dem bones dem bones dem dry bones.?

I got that sussed. Just build one of them wooden frames that hold him up and sell him to a university.

[MrSparkle]

Thieves like that, amongst any criminals caught in the act, waive pretty much any rights they have in my view. Makes no difference to me if they are fully aware of what they are doing or if they are slapped up silly on some drug or another. The moment they start committing the crime, thats the turning point - they are fair game.

I would do exactly what the guy in the article did and have NO remorse, irrespective of whatever the judge decided. Justice is not always served in a court of law! :

Oh, and I also heartily endorse the Maglight approach (got a number in strategic locations around the house and car), as well as the "roll them up in a carpet and throw them off a bridge" tactic. :

[Falcon_Phill]

Originally Posted by EF, What else?

You are supposed to only the force necessary to defend yourself and property, the report says he continued beating him until he was on the ground, I say fair enough. However, if he kept going, thats where the problems would start arising.

ok so you get him on the ground and stop. Then you go to ring the police, he gets up, rapes and kills your family. then what? : its a load of crap, 100 years ago if you killed a theif in your house who was armed with something, youd be cheered. These days you have no control of what you own. I have a big navy seal knife under the side of my bed, and if any theiving bastard breaks into my house hes not leaving without a few 'speed holes' to help him out the door.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

ok so you get him on the ground and stop. Then you go to ring the police, he gets up, rapes and kills your family. then what? : its a load of crap, 100 years ago if you killed a theif in your house who was armed with something, youd be cheered. These days you have no control of what you own. I have a big navy seal knife under the side of my bed, and if any theiving bastard breaks into my house hes not leaving without a few 'speed holes' to help him out the door.

And fair enough too. I keep a cross bow handy, they are legal in the Territory, and I must admit I am a bloody good shot with it.... Any theiving Bastard that breaks into my humble abode may well be leaving with a little souvenir of his/her visit,. Fronteir justice is what it is called.

[loxxr6]

Originally Posted by aimzes

yeah i think you should have the right to drop him but as soon as hes down you cant just keep hitting him and if hes still struggling there are other parts to aim at.. break his arm... a leg... he will stay down after that.

then roll him up in a carpet and throw him off a bridge!

Hell yeah.

Give them a beat down and then put them in the boot of the car somewhere remote and dump them. Hell, maybe even bury them up to their necks in the ground....

They don't deserve any second chance.

[EF, What else?]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

ok so you get him on the ground and stop. Then you go to ring the police, he gets up, rapes and kills your family. then what? : its a load of crap, 100 years ago if you killed a theif in your house who was armed with something, youd be cheered. These days you have no control of what you own. I have a big navy seal knife under the side of my bed, and if any theiving bastard breaks into my house hes not leaving without a few 'speed holes' to help him out the door.

I suppose what Im trying to say is that in defending your property and your family, you shouldnt use so much excessive force that you become the equivilant of a thug. 100 years ago black people were looked down upon and the majority of the population in Western countries lived in poverty, should the appreciation of killing an illegal intruder be grouped in that category?

[S3SR]

the Australian law favours the criminal

[Falcon_Phill]

Originally Posted by EF, What else?

I suppose what Im trying to say is that in defending your property and your family, you shouldnt use so much excessive force that you become the equivilant of a thug. 100 years ago black people were looked down upon and the majority of the population in Western countries lived in poverty, should the appreciation of killing an illegal intruder be grouped in that category?

eh, i dont know. im not really talking anything about that. If someone breaks in theyre gone

[Black XR6]

Australian law does not favour the crims. They go through due prcess the same as everybody else that is charged. They are only criminals once they have been charged and convicted anyway.

[pertuan]

Originally Posted by Black XR6

Lol. So it goes something like.

Home owner: "Excuse me mr robber person. Would you mind terribly much if you didnt continue ransacking my belonging, else I shall be force to pummel you about the head"

Robber: "Oh, Jolly good then, Ill be off now eh!"

Home owner: "Thank you very kindly, would you mind standing that vase back up on your way out?"

If you saw some intruder in your house are you guna give up the element of surprise and let him shoot you or something, or are you going to grab the nearest 3 wood and line up for a hole in one?

Hehe. Something like that I guess. Personally, I think I'd club them with my maglite first, then either when they are down or while I'm still clubbing them, I'd tell them that I'm hitting them. :P

I do wonder though, if we are allowed to tie them up. I have big zip ties in my house. Would be good if I could "cuff" them while the cops are on their way.

[mik]

dont worrie about the mag lite a 12 inch shifta will do the trick

[pertuan]

Yeah but then whats your defence with the shifter?

At least with a maglite, its primary function is a torch. You were using it to investigate what the noise was. And when you realised that it was a burglar and he rushed at you, you used the maglite to hit him out of panic and self defence.

With a shifter, all you can say is... yes I used a shifter to make sure that he would have his skull cracked.

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by pertuan

With a shifter, all you can say is... yes I used a shifter to make sure that he would have his skull cracked.

:jab: I dont see a problem with that :nutsycuck

[JADED6]

Shifter = pre-meditated.
Mag lite is a bit easier to plead "self defence".

[Grechie]

i dont care wot anyone says, a intruder comes in, i attack him. simple, none of this verbal warning etc, hes going down,