AFL - Dean Brogan decks Crows fan: Who do you feel bad for?

[XRchic]

I guess this isnt big news around the country as it is ALF and also an SA thing.

Dean Brogan is a big Port Power ruckman. The Port boys were off to fly interstate for an away game and were leaving the airport last week. There was a Crows supporter there for some reason, and he was provoking Brogan as they were walking through the airport.

Apparently the Crows fan was very mouthy and rude, and was right in Brogan's face, being rather insuling (I dont know what was actually said).

Brogan then decked the Crows fan and broke his nose.

NOW, the papers are running around saying that Dean Brogan hit a teenager and broke his nose, poor kid etc etc.

The thing is the bloke he hit was 19, and a pretty big bloke at that.

Brogan has apologised on air, and also the Crows have very quickly come out and said this guy is not a Crows member. The Crows fan who was hit is apparently talking about suing Brogan and has been on tv whinging and whining about being hit etc...

Now my personal opinion is that while Dean Brogan should have controlled himself better and not hit the guy, I feel rather sorry for him. I think it is a gutless thing for someone to do... provoke someone you know cant really hit back because of the media spotlight or whatever... I mean, how many people would seriously start on someone like Dean Brogan if they thought they were going to get hit back?

Its easy to be a big star and get in some big bloke's face, when you know they cant hit back, yeah? Well I think thats pathetic and that the Crows fan deserved it and I dont really blame Brogan for hitting him.

I hope Brogan is not punished by the club and I hope that stupid whining Crows fan doesnt take legal action. He asked for it in my opinion.

I am a Crows fan, by the way.

What do you think? Did the fan ask to be hit, or should Brogan have controlled himself and is totally to blame and the fan should sue?

Jac

[XRchic]

Woops a mistake in the poll... second option should have the word "fan" as the second word....

[EF, What else?]

I think all AFL fans deserved to be clobbered out: Only joking, nobody please take it seriously!

2 things, should have happened.
(1) the fan, should not have been rude/loud/provocitive
(2) the player, should of verbally abused him instead of physical assult.

probably get off, as he was verbally abused and will use the excuse that he felt threatened etc etc, might be some payment made to fan but.

but lets face it, if everybody did this when being verbally abused, my god, how many punch ons and court actions woould there be.. regardless the population could not get away with this, so neither should the player.

wait and see... be intersesting to see the result...

It does annoy me that "celeb's" get special treatment.. but as you say, some people push there luck with the "he can't hit me" concept..

[Racecraft]

ELite sportsmen are role models for the kiddies... Hitting anyone off the pitch is no good...I do feel sorry for them with the amount of exposure professional players recieve but still alittle self control goes a long way

[max]

Originally Posted by XRchic

I guess this isnt big news around the country as it is ALF and also an SA thing.

Dean Brogan is a big Port Power ruckman. The Port boys were off to fly interstate for an away game and were leaving the airport last week. There was a Crows supporter there for some reason, and he was provoking Brogan as they were walking through the airport.

Apparently the Crows fan was very mouthy and rude, and was right in Brogan's face, being rather insuling (I dont know what was actually said).

Brogan then decked the Crows fan and broke his nose.

NOW, the papers are running around saying that Dean Brogan hit a teenager and broke his nose, poor kid etc etc.

The thing is the bloke he hit was 19, and a pretty big bloke at that.

Brogan has apologised on air, and also the Crows have very quickly come out and said this guy is not a Crows member. The Crows fan who was hit is apparently talking about suing Brogan and has been on tv whinging and whining about being hit etc...

Now my personal opinion is that while Dean Brogan should have controlled himself better and not hit the guy, I feel rather sorry for him. I think it is a gutless thing for someone to do... provoke someone you know cant really hit back because of the media spotlight or whatever... I mean, how many people would seriously start on someone like Dean Brogan if they thought they were going to get hit back?

Its easy to be a big star and get in some big bloke's face, when you know they cant hit back, yeah? Well I think thats pathetic and that the Crows fan deserved it and I dont really blame Brogan for hitting him.

I hope Brogan is not punished by the club and I hope that stupid whining Crows fan doesnt take legal action. He asked for it in my opinion.

I am a Crows fan, by the way.

What do you think? Did the fan ask to be hit, or should Brogan have controlled himself and is totally to blame and the fan should sue?

Jac

Well now, I think all AFL players are trained and prepared for the game and the PR with the public. Lord knows they get paid enough and are aware of their status in the public domain. However I suppose it doesn't mean they develop intellectually, that's a biological improbability, and immaterial to the game. But I think they should be able to hold their cool in the face of adversity, if not THEN THEY MUST FACE THE CONSEQUENCES ALL US MERE ORDINARY FOLK DO. I believe this player should be fined heavily by his club, and face the appropriate civil charges for physical assault occasioning actual bodily harm to a member of the public.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Racecraft

ELite sportsmen are role models for the kiddies... Hitting anyone off the pitch is no good...I do feel sorry for them with the amount of exposure professional players recieve but still alittle self control goes a long way

hmm agree but dont.

They might be "role models" (I dont know anyone who actually has a sports star as a role model, get a life jesus! I played footy from u10's to u18's just FYI), but they are still human beings.

From what I have heard the butthole deserved it. Appartently the guy was having a real good go, and not just ya mum, but even more personal about something.

At first he did nothing, but then the guy kept on going, so tough, he copped it and so he should.

I have no sympathy for the kid, he deserved it and shoudl learn to keep his mouth shut.:

I wish I saw the footage of him having a sook though :

[XRchic]

Yep, I agree with that - I think that people who are in the public eye, especially in sport, are supposed to be role models for the kids and teenagers. I also agree that Brogan should have controlled himself and not hit the kid.

However, it may be that because he is a celebrity that he gets more than any regular person will as a result of his action. Go down to the local pub and get in a brawl and usually thats that, unless its really serious. But as some have said a well known footballer is held to higher standards, so he must realise that his actions are more widely publicised and criticised.

In having said that, I still think the twerp who niggled him ONLY did so because he didnt think he would be hit back. I dont think that idiot would go up to some huge, random Port Power supporter in a pub and provoke him in the same way. Why? Because he would EXPECT to get flattened (probably not just a broken nose)... and while the retaliator would be wrong to hit back, its often just life.

I still think that the fan was gutless and its pathetic to hear him whine about his poor nose and how he was a victim etc... he probably got what he deserved and I hope that if Brogan has to face consequences of what he did (and lets face it, being a celebrity is NOT an advantage here, because he will have a lot worse consequences than if he was a regular bloke) then I hope that gutless idiot fan gets hounded and laughed at too.

This sort of thing makes me angry for a reason. I have a big, strong son. He is 8 years old, weighs 50kg, is 5 foot tall and is a solid ball of muscle. He plays sport and is very fit and extremely strong for his age. He is a year ahead at school and he is still taller than everyone else. He is pretty physical and we have drummed it into him to not hit back and get into fights because of his physical size, because he would hurt other smaller kids without meaning to (hopefully not intentionally) and that he has to basically be extra careful because of his larger size and strength.

So, the result is that most of the smaller, mouthier kids at school (and in our street) have figured out that Cam wont hit back. So they provoke him, they push and slap him and push him off his bike. Cam refuses to hit back and wont touch the kids. So he cops it all the time from the gutless little kids with big mouths.

I reckon if Cam had hit back at any stage, those kids wouldnt be quite so game to provoke him or his friends but because they know he wont, they think they can treat him how they like and he will just put up with it... its just gutless.

Only once did Cam hit back, but it was in defence of another smaller child who was being bullied, and in fact Cam flattened the bully with one punch. However, Cam was the one who got into trouble at school, the bully's parents were furious at Cam and Cam was made to feel terrible. He got blamed for the whole lot and told that he should know better, he knows he is a big boy and shouldnt hit other kids, etc, etc...

I just think that people who take advantage of a stronger person (in any sense) having their hands tied by the law/public image etc, and use that as a reason to attack them in some way without fear of retaliation are complete cowards. And that when one of these people DOES bite back (we are all human), the coward should not complain one bit!

End rant...

[nobbystang]

Originally Posted by Polyal

hmm agree but dont.


I have no sympathy for the kid, he deserved it and shoudl learn to keep his mouth shut.:

I wish I saw the footage of him having a sook though :

Agree there. Was watching it the day after on Sky News and he watered down everything. The fan??(heard Adelaide disowned hima s he's not a member and even if he was his behaviour was unacceptable) said he only told him he was playing for the wrong team. At least he got a reality check the old fashioned way.

[Polyal]

I mean at the end of teh day, what kind of loser waits at an airport (or wherever) and heckles people to the point where they have to retailiate. Seriously.....

[Racecraft]

Sticks and stones will break my bones, names will never hurt me :P
He apparently called Brogan a DH for playing for the wrong team...

Brogan shouldn't of raised his hand at him.. FULLSTOP!

While I can understand the analogy Xrchic, we are talking about a grown man that would be painfully aware of the consequences and repercussions of raising his hand... It wasn't a fight it was a cowardly punch to the snout... No melee, no shoving just a wind-up whizzer to the guys face... Not on in society regardless of his public standing...



Provocation is not grounds for physical retaliation

[EF, What else?]

Originally Posted by Racecraft

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He apparently called Brogan a DH for playing for the wrong team...

Brogan shouldn't of raised his hand at him.. FULLSTOP!

While I can understand the analogy Xrchic, we are talking about a grown man that would be painfully aware of the consequences and repercussions of raising his hand... It wasn't a fight it was a cowardly punch to the snout... No melee, no shoving just a wind-up whizzer to the guys face... Not on in society regardless of his public standing...



Provocation is not grounds for physical retaliation

Just a quick note, it can however be used to help reduce the sentence given by the judge.

[Jeld-Wen Falcon]

I think Brogan had every right, you cant just expect players to cop from people like that. They have every right to walk through the airport without some drunk smartass moron yelling abuse at him.

[max]

Originally Posted by XRchic

Yep, I agree with that - I think that people who are in the public eye, especially in sport, are supposed to be role models for the kids and teenagers. I also agree that Brogan should have controlled himself and not hit the kid.

However, it may be that because he is a celebrity that he gets more than any regular person will as a result of his action. Go down to the local pub and get in a brawl and usually thats that, unless its really serious. But as some have said a well known footballer is held to higher standards, so he must realise that his actions are more widely publicised and criticised.

In having said that, I still think the twerp who niggled him ONLY did so because he didnt think he would be hit back. I dont think that idiot would go up to some huge, random Port Power supporter in a pub and provoke him in the same way. Why? Because he would EXPECT to get flattened (probably not just a broken nose)... and while the retaliator would be wrong to hit back, its often just life.

I still think that the fan was gutless and its pathetic to hear him whine about his poor nose and how he was a victim etc... he probably got what he deserved and I hope that if Brogan has to face consequences of what he did (and lets face it, being a celebrity is NOT an advantage here, because he will have a lot worse consequences than if he was a regular bloke) then I hope that gutless idiot fan gets hounded and laughed at too.

This sort of thing makes me angry for a reason. I have a big, strong son. He is 8 years old, weighs 50kg, is 5 foot tall and is a solid ball of muscle. He plays sport and is very fit and extremely strong for his age. He is a year ahead at school and he is still taller than everyone else. He is pretty physical and we have drummed it into him to not hit back and get into fights because of his physical size, because he would hurt other smaller kids without meaning to (hopefully not intentionally) and that he has to basically be extra careful because of his larger size and strength.

So, the result is that most of the smaller, mouthier kids at school (and in our street) have figured out that Cam wont hit back. So they provoke him, they push and slap him and push him off his bike. Cam refuses to hit back and wont touch the kids. So he cops it all the time from the gutless little kids with big mouths.

I reckon if Cam had hit back at any stage, those kids wouldnt be quite so game to provoke him or his friends but because they know he wont, they think they can treat him how they like and he will just put up with it... its just gutless.

Only once did Cam hit back, but it was in defence of another smaller child who was being bullied, and in fact Cam flattened the bully with one punch. However, Cam was the one who got into trouble at school, the bully's parents were furious at Cam and Cam was made to feel terrible. He got blamed for the whole lot and told that he should know better, he knows he is a big boy and shouldnt hit other kids, etc, etc...

I just think that people who take advantage of a stronger person (in any sense) having their hands tied by the law/public image etc, and use that as a reason to attack them in some way without fear of retaliation are complete cowards. And that when one of these people DOES bite back (we are all human), the coward should not complain one bit!

End rant...

For crying out loud..... this kid is 19! What 19 year old hasn't been a smart-***? It it reasonable to expect your head to be smacked in for just being a jerk? What do we want here, the law of the jungle? These footy players enjoy the sporting equivalent of parliamentary privilege on the field and whack each other around and make taunts. That's the time to let off a bit of testosterone charged steam! The whole AFL ethos is the business of ridiculing and bagging each others favorite teams, its whipped up something incredible. The public gets sucked in. But lets not dispense with due process with respect to a PUBLIC PHYSICAL ASSAULT.

Anyway, lets see what Sammy Newman has to say about it tonight!

[Polyal]

Im not saying that something shouldn't be done, a fine or whatever, but Im sick of the stupid being protected.

What would happen if I belted someone? Assualt? Thens thats what should happen.

And form what I heard it was alot more personal that being called a Richard Head.

[NC 5ltr]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I mean at the end of teh day, what kind of loser waits at an airport (or wherever) and heckles people to the point where they have to retailiate. Seriously.....

someone who takes the game to seriously.........he deserved to get a punch after DB asked him to say it to his face

[turboute]

He is a role model and is setting a good example by hitting all crows fans...

Just kidding, although Adelaide seem to be one of the few teams who could beat the eagles this year (whom I am supporting since the Dockers have been crap for too long now).

I racon they both deserve the crap they are getting - If that bloke went out yelling crap at people ouside the clubs etc, he would get a hell of alot worse beating than he did. People have to realize that there can be consequences for abusing people.

Brogan should have ignored him, I suppose that if the fan made him reach that limit or hit an emotional nerve etc I could almost understand. Still he shouldn't have to go that far.

If this does go to court and Brogan says the taunts gave him enough emotional distress he will get off.

[Falcon Coupe]

Anyone who calls a huge ruckman "Richard cranium" for no reason should expect retaliation, i bet the big mouth thinks twice next time.

[XRchic]

Originally Posted by turboute

He is a role model and is setting a good example by hitting all crows fans...

Just kidding, although Adelaide seem to be one of the few teams who could beat the eagles this year (whom I am supporting since the Dockers have been crap for too long now).

I racon they both deserve the crap they are getting - If that bloke went out yelling crap at people ouside the clubs etc, he would get a hell of alot worse beating than he did. People have to realize that there can be consequences for abusing people.

Brogan should have ignored him, I suppose that if the fan made him reach that limit or hit an emotional nerve etc I could almost understand. Still he shouldn't have to go that far.

If this does go to court and Brogan says the taunts gave him enough emotional distress he will get off.

I agree with everything you said there. They both deserve some kind of punishment. I dont think Brogan should avoid punishment altogether, and he needs to face the consequences of hitting someone which is assault and that is that. Even though he did hit the kid and should face the legal consequences, I still feed bad for Brogan because he is the one who has been made out to be the bad one and the other idiot has been made out to be the victim. While I think Brogan shouldnt have done it, I understand why he did.

What gets me is that idiot who started it all is now running around looking for sympathy and crying on national tv about his poor nose, looking pathetic. The thing is that at least Dean Brogan has made a public statement about it, has apologised (and yes, I think he meant it) and has copped his share of criticism on the chin.

The idiot who started it, has not come half way and apologised to Brogan for what he said, has he? I stand corrected if I am wrong, but all I have heard from that moron is about what a victim he is and no acknowledgement of the part he had to play in it himself.

Coward.

[turboute]

Originally Posted by max

For crying out loud..... this kid is 19! What 19 year old hasn't been a smart-***? It it reasonable to expect your head to be smacked in for just being a jerk? What do we want here, the law of the jungle? These footy players enjoy the sporting equivalent of parliamentary privilege on the field and whack each other around and make taunts. That's the time to let off a bit of testosterone charged steam! The whole AFL ethos is the business of ridiculing and bagging each others favorite teams, its whipped up something incredible. The public gets sucked in. But lets not dispense with due process with respect to a PUBLIC PHYSICAL ASSAULT.

Anyway, lets see what Sammy Newman has to say about it tonight!

What 19 yr old shouldn't know better than to VERBALLY ASSAULT someone. No need to go abusing people just because they belong to a different sporting club than you do. This guy calls himself a crows fan and doesn't even have a membership. Cant be that much of a fan.

Yes I am looking forward to Sammy's comments

just taking the situation one step further, what if this thing happened to a female? it would be outrageous and people would be screaming bloody murder... I know some females that use the mentally that I'm female and I can mouth off without any retaliation.

I am not advocating violence for any gender, its weak to use violence to solve a problem, although there is on ocassions where its nessascary aka defence etc

[XRchic]

Originally Posted by turboute

This guy calls himself a crows fan and doesn't even have a membership.

Not that its an issue, but you cant get Crows membership here. There was a 10 year waiting list for membership as far as I know. I am a supporter but also not a member and not by choice. If I could get membership for myself and my son, I would in a second. I have never seen them play at AAMI because you can never get tickets... so we travel interstate to see them play!

Originally Posted by ziggee

I know some females that use the mentally that I'm female and I can mouth off without any retaliation.

I agree and I know some. I despise females like that. The ones who mouth off at blokes when they go clubbing knowing damned well that the blokes wont retaliate to a chic. Most decent blokes wont even respond verbally and let me tell you, some chics deserve at least a verbal retaliation.

Provoking people who you know cant retaliate is a form of bullying, believe it or not.

[BENT_8]

I think Dean Brogan was out of line! :

How dare he use aggression to solve the dilemma! :

Even if he had some fear of flying and was stressed its no excuse, infact it's down right rude!

This would have been handled much better if he had invited the young bloke down to the Alberton for some frothies and a chance to tell the Port Faithful his views on the subject. :MrT_anim:

Atleast it would of been handled without the media coverage

No witnesses here occifer! :monkes:

[Woz]

My old man taught me many a thing. One of which being "if you're gonna give someone a reason to belt you, expect them to belt you".

I hope the toolhead fan gets nothing for his troubles. No payout, nothing.

I'm not a Port fan by a long shot and have no reason to back Dean Brogan or any other of their players, but this is a case of common logic and a law of life. If you're gonna be a smart ***** and intentionally try to provoke someone then you deserve a pop in the nose. I would.

Dean Brogan didn't beat the snot out of the bloke, he just punched him because he had been provoked and possibly felt threatened. There's two sides to this story. One punch is not assault, not under these circumstances. Opening up a can is assault. But one punch is an exclamation mark to end that clowns last sentance.

I've never supported a Port Adelaide player before and it'll probably never happen again. But good luck to Dean Brogan, and well bloody done.

[fiery]

No-one has the right to hit anyone under any circumstances...
Why should this AFL footy player get away with hitting someone when if we are hassled and we lash out we are punished.

The law states you can not assault someone so people need to learn to restrain themselves or suffer the consequences...

I don't really understand why a security personnel wasn't called to settle the situation before it became out of hand anyway.. which is poor in my opinion....

This is just my opinion :alien2:

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by Jeld-Wen Falcon

I think Brogan had every right, you cant just expect players to cop from people like that. They have every right to walk through the airport without some drunk smartass moron yelling abuse at him.

Agreed that Brogran should have evey right to walk through the airport in peace without some smartass yelling abuse at him, that said. I should punch the guy in the face (stick & stones) he should walk away. If he punched the guy in self defence as the guy was physically attacking him different story.

[JADED6]

FAN - (after walking past Brogan) "You're playing for the wrong team D***Head".
Brogan turns & walks after FAN - "What did you call me?"
FAN - "What, You want me to call you a D***head to your face?"

At this point, Brogan Knocked the guys cap off his head with a flick of his hand then punched him in the nose.

Most of us have seen a broken nose on TV or whatever, they often require plastic surgery or some serious mending to look half normal again. This guys nose looks rather normal, no bruising around the eyes etc. Brogan is a big guy, if he'd smacked him full on then there'd surely be charges laid.
Definitely should have controlled himself better. Not on at all.
Port officials tried to offer the "FAN" some club merchandise (jumpers) in exchange for his bloody clothes.

[Cobra]

If that clown was not there abusing Brogan he wouldn't have ended up with a 'broken' nose. Simple as that. He shouldn't have been a smart and I'm sure he will think twice about doing it again.

But I guess Brogan should be punished to a point, because I'm sure other high profile sportsmen have shown restraint in similar situations. We've only just heard of incident because something happened.

The end of the day though, this clown did say what he said based on the knowledge that he Broagan won't retelliate. We wouldn't have said it to someone in a pub. SO for this reason I have no sympathy for him.

Originally Posted by Cobra

If that clown was not there abusing Brogan he wouldn't have ended up with a 'broken' nose. Simple as that. He shouldn't have been a smart and I'm sure he will think twice about doing it again.

But I guess Brogan should be punished to a point, because I'm sure other high profile sportsmen have shown restraint in similar situations. We've only just heard of incident because something happened.

The end of the day though, this clown did say what he said based on the knowledge that he Broagan won't retelliate. We wouldn't have said it to someone in a pub. SO for this reason I have no sympathy for him.

yeah I hear you, and can feel it, but regardless of where or what happened, even if it was at a pub, you could expect to face some sort of complaint..

Mate there is plenty of people that I'd like to punch in the face for one thing or another, but society says its just not on.

Lets be honest, sure they are put up as role models.... but they should not be, remember wayne carey, shane warne etc... hardly role models worth paying attention too.

also i bet the club, will spin it into something else... there will be some peace offering, as they know he's in the wrong..

equation is : morally right, legally wrong...

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by JADED6

FAN - (after walking past Brogan) "You're playing for the wrong team D***Head".
Brogan turns & walks after FAN - "What did you call me?"
FAN - "What, You want me to call you a D***head to your face?"

At this point, Brogan Knocked the guys cap off his head with a flick of his hand then punched him in the nose.

Most of us have seen a broken nose on TV or whatever, they often require plastic surgery or some serious mending to look half normal again. This guys nose looks rather normal, no bruising around the eyes etc. Brogan is a big guy, if he'd smacked him full on then there'd surely be charges laid.
Definitely should have controlled himself better. Not on at all.
Port officials tried to offer the "FAN" some club merchandise (jumpers) in exchange for his bloody clothes.

Brogan has a reputation of this anyway, He is a short fuse.
He head Butted a former team mate.
Players take much more on field then off it and they don't brake nose's every week.
The Crows supporters called him a Richard Head, Hardly worth a broken nose?.

I'm a bit sensitive to this as some years back i was blindsided with a sweet hit that cracked my nose, And because i pushed the guy away and said F Off i want no trouble he waited till i turned and got me, He's defence was he feared for his life it was self defence, Instead of this is funny walking 20 meters to the cops i could have turned and belted him into next week because i also then could claim i feared for my life, Law is easy broken it's a joke, Brogan is 6 foot 6 105kg, This was a kid about 5-10 95kg, I'm sure brogan is scared on the field with players like peter street who is 7 foot tall he might hit him if he says anything to him : .


Your right about the broken nose that kids nose looked pretty good, Myn was slighty to one side which needed a 30min operation to correct.