Accident = Deep Thought!

[FlaminFiesta]

Been wanting to post this up for a while lol it was such a weird experience on Thursday night. You know when your put in a place, by god or for some reason, and you think at this moment in time you can make a difference.

Anyway.. So Thursday night, I was turning into the oporto on Cumberland highway Liverpool and the lights went green the car in front of me went, so did I. I turned my head for a second and he broke hard. So I hit his rear end and we stopped and exchanged details etc..

Anyway this guy had cuts and bruises on his face like he had been in a fight, I asked him if he was okay. He said yeah, " I work in Cronulla Westfield's as an electrician and me and other mate got bashed by a group of aussies today, for being a wog while we were working in the back area" I was like OMG I cant believe this, this is insane. Then he started saying all the non aussies in the west have to stick to gether and bash the "aussies up" and he was going to find some tonight to get revenge..

I was totally dumb struck mate, I was like I felt so sorry for this bloke. Imagine that some one made you feel bad, because of the way you looked. I wanted to give the bloke a hug! But I spoke to him and said mate, you take the anger out on someone else it will just get worse, it’s a cycle. We had a brief chat and I couldn’t stop thinking about it. I felt disgusted inside mate, it was the most sickening feeling I have ever had!

I called him the next day and it ended up that he didn’t end up going out looking for trouble and his mate just did the usual..

This Australia day was the only one where I couldn’t identify with the flag, I didn’t know what happened to the country I love.. Its strange all we hear is about "race" and "Religion" what about "love" and "unity", its so easy you can hate with one reason - "difference" but loving takes abit more, but is so much better in the long run, safety, enjoyment and fulfilment.. When some one says "hate", I guess we cant sit by anymore we have to fight it.. I could have ignored the bloke when he said he was going to bash the aussies up but I didn’t..

I wish Howard would seriously spend money on national identity and bring the country together, instead of the millions on work choices!

I know we are the majority but unfortunately the minority of ignorance has bigger voices and may polarise the majority!

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by FlaminFiesta

I know we are the majority but unfortunately the minority of ignorance has bigger voices and may polarise the majority!

A question often posed on these boards is "why do the minorities have such a big say in things?". You've articulated it brilliantly.

Divide and conquer. The majority rules... so what to do if you're not a part of this majority? Play the majority off against each other to your own advantage!! And no, im not talking about ethnic groups or religious fraternities. I refer more to 'general' divisions within the community, divisions which cross the obvious differences like faith and origin.

What you said to this guy is so true. It's a cycle... An eye for an eye. I have no doubt we'll soon all be blind. Its not something i think the govt can address with budget allocations. Needs to be something more grass roots. But who in this country has the balls to take the moral high ground? To cop abuse on the chin and resist the instinctual desire to retaliate? Who is gonna break the cycle? Well, seems like you may have found one bloke. Another 20 million and we'll be getting somewhere

EDIT: PS hope no dramas sorting out the accident!!

[FlaminFiesta]

Great Reply,

Education is the key, This guy had rage, and that was it. I admit i was scared stiff telling this guy my views on it was iddiots and not people that did that to him..

I could see me getting dragged into it, but i guess i had enough of the polarisation of the community..

You dont think putting money aside to show people, hey were all australian and together we are invincible as a country? Thats what i was aiming at! like a marketing campaign on why unity is such a great thing!

[Paxton]

No Westfields in Cronulla. Nearest one is in Miranda.

I almost had my drivers window punched through going through Cronulla. Depending on how I dress as well, I sometimes cop dirtys in Miranda.

[havoc19]

Call me a pesimist but its also possible this guy started on some people who put him in his place lol im not trying to be racist or none of that **** but people to lie and maybe hes just a big fat one.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by havoc19

Call me a pesimist but its also possible this guy started on some people who put him in his place lol im not trying to be racist or none of that **** but people to lie and maybe hes just a big fat one.

Anything's possible. But if we are to automatically assume the worst of everyone... what chance do we have?

[havoc19]

Haha **** i gotta say i love scrubs everytime i see that picture it makes me laugh 4.9ef.

[pb02]

Originally Posted by havoc19

Call me a pesimist but its also possible this guy started on some people who put him in his place lol im not trying to be racist or none of that **** but people to lie and maybe hes just a big fat one.

Fair call, always two sides to a story.

Had a mate call up a while ago to say that his younger brother had been beaten up by about 6 guys at a party. He wanted to get a group of us together to sort the 6 out.
Anyway, to cut a long story short we found out that it was one other guy and the mates younger brother had been mouthing off all night and causing problems. It's amazing how much people can twist things.

[Sourbastard]

Theres these two wogs I know, i hate em so much I want to bash em. Sometimes I get on the phone to them, and say "THATS IT! Ive had a gutfull! Im coming round to sort you out!" I wont name names, lets call one Mum, and the other we will call Dad. bloody wogs. They p iss me off almost as much as this big hairy bastard I see every morning.


stupid mirror.

[Professor Farnsworth]

wogs drive me nuts, wog females that is. but that's probably because i've only ever dated wog females :

[FlaminFiesta]

Hey there is definitely two sides to every story,

I guess this post was about how i guess we let ppl talk about hate etc its just gonna get worse..

so sick of all the media beat up!! and also maybe someone out there is in a position of power and can act on this in a positive way :o)

[XR Martin]

So how is it John Howard's fault what is going on the streets of Liverpool or Cronulla? Last time I looked it was the State's responsibility to look after law and order.

[TUF_302]

Im not racist, but something does need to be done about muslims and some of the lebonese in this country, its getting to the stage where wanting to hit them is becommin 2nd nature, i mean they live here yet terrorise the rest of whom live here.

[Stav]

The government is too soft on all trouble makers and the do gooders have eroded the powers of the police to bring on some biff and clean the streets. Minorities are on both sides.They pick on each other for what they look like instead of seeing the good. Thats ok because I think god will fry their assess when the time comes. Practice the truth and dwell on what is good..why hurt each other? :

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by SVO_XR6

Im not racist.

Lol, always know you're in for a pearler when someone starts their sentence like this!! So... something needs to be done about ALL muslims, but only some of the lebanese?

Wanting to hit them is 2nd nature? Mate, even APES are capable of controlling their anger. Honest to god, apes.

Originally Posted by SVO_XR6

Im not racist, but something does need to be done about muslims and some of the lebonese in this country, its getting to the stage where wanting to hit them is becommin 2nd nature, i mean they live here yet terrorise the rest of whom live here.

If you are blatant enough to label certain groups and say you want to hit them without justification, and say they are the only trouble makers, then you sir are racist.

Sure enough there are trouble makers whos background is Lebanese, or who may be Muslim, but by that token, there are a lot of trouble makers of many other backgrounds, even those of an Anglo background.

I think the problem is that many people see them as 2nd class citizens, and thats where this infectious segregation stems from, for both sides of the argument.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by useless

Minorities are on both sides.

Here, here!!! I'd be appaled if someone assumed i had the same values and beliefs as SVO_XR6 just because we might have the same coloured skin and may descend from similar nationalities.

Just like the good, hard working people of this country who are of the muslim faith, who cant walk down the street without people like SVO_XR6 having to resist his desire of "wantin to hit them".. because he's got a bone to pick with other muslims.

[SNB05T]

i am so sick of the muslim, leb, syrian etc bashing and the return bashing of skips and whites by lebs etc, it's such a crock of shite!
im half kiwi half welsh, my best mate is lebanese, i play afl with lebs, indians, aborigines, even a croat, i work with asians, greeks and italians. you know what is the best thing, we all treat each other as equals and give each other respect and trust that human beings should.
after the cronulla riots, my afl team had 15 lebanese and syrian guys turn up to training from bankstown and liverpool to play with our team.
so if you want insult them, YOU ARE INSULTING ME AS WELL, GET A LIFE AND GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just my twenty two cents

[robjh80]

Originally Posted by BlackLS

Sure enough there are trouble makers whos background is Lebanese, or who may be Muslim, but by that token, there are a lot of trouble makers of many other backgrounds, even those of an Anglo background.

"Agreed........I think at the end of the day there are mostly good people with a small sprinkling of bad people in each and every race the world over."

The biggest "trouble maker" I ever saw was a White Guy......my own cousin!!

He lives on a council estate in West London, an extremely "multi-cultural" environment, far more so than any area I can think of here in Australia.

He's now about 45 years old, active right wing extremist, football hooligan, never had a job in his life, been in and out of youth detention and adult prisons all his life.

Good time for him is something along the lines of following his football team around the country and across Europe with the rest of the firm causing as much grief and injury as possible............right nutcase,........ point is there are many thousands just like him, but there are many millions who just want to get on in relative peace and harmony best way they can.

Problem is there is so much inbred racial hatred in the UK and it's just getting worse, I really hope that Australia doesn't go down the same track........."but the early signs are unfortunately not looking promising."

[FlaminFiesta]

SVO_XR6 the thing is mate if you took time and met the ppl prescribed as muslims/lebs, you would i guess be suprised..

They are beatufiul people just as we are lol if you take the time, and next time you look at a group of "lebs" as such, think guys hanging around, dont be intimated.

Make an effort to say gday and you will be suprised, if we all sit in a corner we only know what we are told and not the truth.,.

[Ruger]

i know plenty of nice lebanese/arabic people young and old. it aint good to label them all yer there are some idiots but there are idiots in every race.

[Ford_V8]

There might be some good and some bad now, but I can tell you the **** will hit the fan when we let the current generation out onto the streets.

say goodbye to this



and hello to this

[OXR60W]

This had me thinking about my youth. I'm as Aussie as an Aussie can be.
In my youth all my mates were "Aussies" and we got into our share of trouble.

My 12 yo girls best friends are Spanish and Iranian.
My 8 yo son's best mates are Iranian, A Leb and an Aussie.
My 6 yo girls best friends are from Iraq, Malta and Chillie.

All of there friends are respectfull, nice kids, as are their parents, nice people.

Where does it go wrong ? Guys at work keep saying that i havn't been "touched" by the Leb/Muslim/Wog factor

What is that ?

[ltd]

There's an awful lot of poverty and welfare dependence in the muslim community, and I stress the term muslim as opposed to lebanese. The lebanese group are predominantly christian and have fully integrated into mainstream society by actually attending the same schools as ourselves, been hard workers and have made a name for themselves through determination and guts. John Symond is a perfect example.
The Muslim community however has placed certain restrictions upon themselves in the sense that the purilistic insecurities played out in front of our eyes in terms of oppression of women, covering up of women, circumcision of women, welfare dependence and lack of co mingling with the wider australian community has done nothing to endear them to the wider australian community. This and the recent media attention to the spate of hate filled gospels and sermons calling for an end to our lives only serves to make more people ask questions. Then having the aforementioned same shieks telling their bretheren that we are all liars and convicts whilst the arab is the chosen people does nothing other than divide the community further.

In NSW, this community loves the attention and is particularly appreciative of the negative opinions, as it allows them to play the victim more. Our premier being the member for that electorate where over 90% of the muslim population resides has only served to give alot of concessions to the most criminally active community in NSW ie the cronulla riots where the anglo saxons where locked up, and the revenge attackers had all charges dropped.
I don't think we should bash them, but I don't think we should fall all over ourselves to give them any more special treatment - especially when they have had more special treatment than any other migratory community in this land.
You can call me a racist if you want, but technically, muslim is not a race. So I'm a religoust.

[FlaminFiesta]

The thing though is that alot of the opression of certain attributes of muslims are as just cultural as relegious.

there is as much cultural in this as relegion, there are a great number of muslims that wear the hijab and ones that dont..

I think regardless of relegion they are still human as we are. its easy to find difference takes a second look to realise we are all the same...

[GXL078]

John Symond is just another business crook. You don't become that sucessful if you pay all the tax you are meant to. And his house is a tacky wog palace.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by FlaminFiesta

I think regardless of relegion they are still human as we are. its easy to find difference takes a second look to realise we are all the same...

Quite true, which is why we tend not to target them and allow some of their upper echelons to be re-interpreted time and time again for inciting hatred. That's also why we put up with their calls to end our lives through jihad (holy war), as well as tolerate their calling for Australia to become an Islamic state.
Problem is though that these little victories in the name of free speech and civil libertarians secret agendas does nothing to stem the Islamic cult that calls for an end to the west, Jews and compares raping Australian women to a cat eating meat. Furthermore, with the internet and ergo a world of information available, people see a trend throughout the world with this one religious group and the fact that every war in the world today involves this group.

For the record, I don't hate them or wish them harm, I just want the nonsense to stop and for them to be treated equally in the eyes of the law relating to crime and punishment. Surely, allowing one man to have 4 wives and dozens of children whilst unemployed is not in any of the child’s best interests encouraging a breeding ground for poverty derived crime. Surely, allowing one group special access to health and dental services whilst denying those who have fought, served, worked all their lives and helped build this great nation is not fair.
A little impartiality from the authorities would go a long way to mending the rift.



Oh, and John Symond is by no means my favourite person but he did serve to make the banks a little more competitive on interest rates.
And I don't much care for his house either.

[Rapid260]

Theirs is always going to be a minority in every race & religion that is going to think that they are hard done by, regardless of what country they live in, & like good Australians we are going to say, quit your bloody complaining & get on with life, but this just doesn’t cut it anymore.
They are the minority group living in a foreign country that is not there home land, they
have left there own country because the same was happening there.

The best we can do is teach our children that this not acceptable behavior, & will not be tolerated.

Trying to teach our generation this isn’t going to work, as most people are to set in there ways & too narrow minded, it’s the younger generation that is going to have to power

[eXtremist]

There's scum amongst every nationality that makes us all look bad.

They should be placed in Tasmania where they belong :P