whats a reconditioned motor?

[Yaw]

More food for thought.

if a car was well maintained (all services done would have had regular oil changes) it would not need a reconditioned engine......my point is simple if the engine is that bad it needs a rebuild, what else is not far behind, transmission, steering components etc, brakes components etc?

I am in no way saying the car has been thrashed but for example if the service intervals are 15,000 klms and were only done at 30-40,000 intervals it has had old oil which is the biggest contributing factor to wear. Oil goes black due to it having detergents in it to keep the engine clean and holds excess burnt carbon (oil sludge) in it. It is this sludge that acts like a grinding compound excessivly wearing engine parts. So back to my questions of what else is worn and not far behind, I would summise that if i am correct in my assumption perhaps to save money the servicing of the car has been extended to exssisve periods. Some people call it driving cheaply. These are the people that say things like "if it aint broke don't fix it". I hope from my breif explanation of my opinion you and others can see why servicing is important to stop these kind of costly repairs such as a reco engine later.

[MarkAW]

Originally Posted by fmc351

If the linkages are selecting 2nd, when the indicator looks like D or 1st, it wont go into first, so its trying to take off in 2nd. Make sure your linkages go into 1st when selecting 1st, and drive when selecting D. If they are and fluids fine, the box is probably stuffed. A service may help though.

To clarify - my experience starts with the XA Falcon which was available with the 200 or 250 engine. I can only assume that there is no real difference to a 221 engine as they look from the supplied pic identical to a 200 engine (cast intake system and high rocker cover).

fmc351
I am assuming this is an early borg warner 35 trans and it doesnt matter where its in 1st, 2nd or drive, the gearbox will always select 1st gear to start with. The gear selector will only prevent the gearbox from changing into a higher gear than that selected. If the gearbox is trying to start in second gear which is very unlikely, its a result of the valve body being blocked with debris from the clutch plates and bands.

Usually this problem occurs from the first/reverse band either snapping at the pivot point or being excessively worn. Phil, in either case unless your experienced with auto trans overhaul, take to a trans specialist for a reco exchange box to be fitted. This is of course assuming that the trans is the problem.

Yaw
Your views on maintenance are not necesserily correct.
From my experience most people quite often change their oil which may or may not keep their engine in a fair condition. Sometimes they even change their air filter but many dont and this is very apparent in diesel vehicles. Most don't change PCV valves & filters, fuel filters, nor do they service their transmission regularly and very few people would ever change the fluid in the rear axle or braking system.

Most people only service something when it starts to go wrong and then its too late.
When assessing an older vehicle you have to assess it component by component, looking at the fluids or dipsticks, listening to the noises they make or feeling the play in the drive shafts. Making an assessment from only one point the engine oil colour is no guarantee.

[Falcon_Phill]

The 221 looks no different then the 200 super pursuit i have.

Would it be cheaper to get a whole new transmission maybe second hand, or recondition the one i have?

[MarkAW]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Would it be cheaper to get a whole new transmission maybe second hand, or recondition the one i have?

If you get a 2nd hand trans generally theres no warranty and it might be no better than the one you took out. Certainly its hasn't been inspected on the inside and you don't know how long its been sitting there, maybe years.

Alternatively a reco unit will have been disassembled and cleaned, reconditioned bands and new clutch packs & seals and a reco torque converter. Same old planetary gears and bearing so it maybe noisey to some extent. If its really noisey you can bring it back under warranty.

About ten years ago I put a reco auto in my old commodore for about $500 but this was a long time ago and prices change. Fortunately a BW35 doesn't have any electricals unlike the 4sp in my EF falcon. A new planeary set cost over $1400 ending up with a $3k bill for that work.

[BIGTRAV]

Hi Ford boy. I have a good running v6 series 2 motor out of a vp if your interested for $200. pm me. Thanks.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by MarkAW

fmc351
I am assuming this is an early borg warner 35 trans and it doesnt matter...

I agree with this statement, it was stuffed before it left the factory. :

Get a C4. Do they fit in the early early girls?

[MarkAW]

Originally Posted by fmc351

I agree with this statement, it was stuffed before it left the factory. :

Get a C4. Do they fit in the early early girls?

From memory the C4 is a later model and a bit larger box F/Phil may have trouble actually siting the box at the correct height and angle. The BW35 being thinner would sit higher up into the trans tunnel. I think you may also have to use an adaptor for the bell housing.

BTW fmc nice bit of taking out of context

The linkages will all be different therefore you need to change to a floor shift meaning you need to hack a hole in the floor and an aftermarket shifter assy. Beware of any design rules about fitting holes in floors and its effect on structural integrity. You'll also need a modified length tailshaft which may also need the diff end universal changed to match your existing diff.

In the end it depends on what you want out of the vehicle. Keep it standard and everything fits. Start modifying it and it can go on and on without any real benefit.

The bw35 was an average box for its time and was generally very reliable. It needs to be serviced every 30K kilometres but all you need is an inch pound wrench, the adaptor and someone to show you how its done. This job is relatively easy for someone with a mechanical inclination.

[Ford_Boy]

Originally Posted by BIGTRAV

Hi Ford boy. I have a good running v6 series 2 motor out of a vp if your interested for $200. pm me. Thanks.

thanks alot for the offer but i think id rather have no hassels and buy a car that needs no work and has rego so i know it will be driveable. ive seen a few cars with rego from 1200 to 2000 buks. thats my price range at the moment.