VE crashes worse than VZ

[Bossxr8]

Anyone see the GoAuto story about how the VE has a lower overall score than the VZ in the ANCAP crash tests. Not by much, but after all the talk of the high strength steels etc etc they fitted to the VE, the side impact was considered worse than the VZ. So much for progress. But Holden consider the Barina crash test acceptable I spose.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Wonder whether the side airbags were fitted to the car that was tested?

[stevz]

I cannot see how it is possible for the VE to be worse than the VZ, however it is obvious there are definitely some inconsistencies in these ancap tests.
Here they rate even the EF/EL safer than the BA. Please explain?

[stevz]

Another inconsistency

The Holden Barina scores 4.39/16 in the offset test and 10.57/16 in the side impact test to achieve a 2 star rating.

The Daewoo Kalos scores 5.90/16 in the offset test and 11.73/16 in the side impact test to achieve a 3 star rating.

Now these are EXACTLY the same cars. Why the inconsistency?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by stevz

Another inconsistency

The Holden Barina scores 4.39/16 in the offset test and 10.57/16 in the side impact test to achieve a 2 star rating.

The Daewoo Kalos scores 5.90/16 in the offset test and 11.73/16 in the side impact test to achieve a 3 star rating.

Now these are EXACTLY the same cars. Why the inconsistency?

I'd assume because its a single test and that every car is different. Plus there would be a few differences between both those models of Daewoo, the Kalos is fairly old now, and would have had a number of changes since it was released.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by stevz

I cannot see how it is possible for the VE to be worse than the VZ, however it is obvious there are definitely some inconsistencies in these ancap tests.
Here they rate even the EF/EL safer than the BA. Please explain?

The scoring rating system has changed since the EL

Summary: Ford Falcon 1997

* Overall rating:
* Marginal
* Airbags: Driver's Airbag
* Engine:
* Kerb weight: 1560 kg
* Test vehicles built: Aug 1994 & Sept 1997
* Crash test date: Dec 1997

Summary:Ford Falcon 1998

* Overall rating:
* Acceptable
* Airbags: Driver's Airbag
* Engine:
* Kerb weight: 1530 kg
* Test vehicles built: Aug & Nov 1998
* Crash test date: Feb 1999

Summary: Ford Falcon 2000

* Overall rating:
* (3 star)***
* Airbags: Dual Front Airbags
* Variant: Forte Sedan
* Engine: 6 Cyl. 4 litre. Auto.
* Kerb weight: 1550 kg
* Test vehicles built: October 2000
* Crash test date: May 2001

Summary: Ford Falcon 2002

* Overall rating:
* (4 star) ****
* Overall score: 27.27 out of 37
* Variant: XT sedan
* Airbags: Dual front airbags
* Engine: 6 cyl. 4L
* Kerb weight: 1690 kg
* Category: Large/Medium
* Test vehicles built: October 2002

VE for comparison to BA (pretty poor for the VE imo)

Summary: VE 2007

* Occupant protection:
* (4 star) ****
* Occupant protection score: 27.45 out of 37
* Pedestrian protection rating: (1 star) *
* Pedestrian protection score: 8.98 out of 36
* Airbags: Dual front
* Engine: 3.6 V6
* Variant: Omega Sedan
* Category: Large car
* Kerb weight: 1700 kg
* Test vehicles built: 7/06 and 10/06
* Test by ANCAP

A 5 Star car for comparison:

Summary: Subaru Legacy 2004

* Overall rating:
* (5 star) *****
* Overall score: 35.52 out of 37
* Pedestrian rating:
* (2 star) **
* Airbags: Dual front + side + head airbags
* Engine: 2.5 litre
* Variant: Wagon
* Category: Large/Medium car
* Kerb weight: 1439 kg
* Test vehicles built: Sep 2003 and Feb 2004
* Tested in: Japan

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Wonder whether the side airbags were fitted to the car that was tested?

Side airbags and head-protecting side curtains and optional on the Omega variant and standard on other variants

Apparently not.

[Falcon Freak]

It is surprising that the VE is no better then the VZ. The big increase in weight from VZ to VE was supposedly to allow the VE to meet new ADRs and thus make the VE safer then the VZ. Just another example which shows that the VE is not as good as what the media claims.

FF

[freaky]

The holden boys will tell you that ANCAP is nonsense and the VE is built for real world scenarios.

Well, thats was the general vibe on LS1 :

That may be the case, but ANCAP is the only was to compare different vehicles under the same conditions.