Like the fez because.... - Page 2

goop · 03-08-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

That WQ thing (3 blinker flashes with a tap) sounds annoying.

I don't know why you'd think that. It's for lane-changing. You tap it and across you go.
Within 4 or 5 uses it's completely intuitive

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photn · 03-08-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mitch_lx

Photn, what you probably felt was traction control, which is slightly different from ESP/DSC.

Traction control reduces wheel spin, on certain cars this system can be quite aggressive if you arnt smooth enough.

On my GTI if you release the clutch too quickly with too many revs it really kills power.
If your smooth and slip the clutch from 2,200 rpm gently then it absolutely takes off like a rocket and traction control doesnt kick in.

ESP controls sideways forces and is quite smooth in its operation, you cant have it be too rough through a corner otherwise it would potentially de stabilise the car even further. When ESP activates if feels almost like your driving through a very strong head wind, just buffers the feeling slightly. As danny mentioned, potentially serious collisions are avoided by a few simple blinks of the esp light in the dash.

hmm wierd thing was there was no loss of traction.. he was going quickly around a bend shall we say lol. and the car just bogged down, lost power untill came around the corner and then power was back on.

mitch_lx · 03-08-2007, 10:40 AM

No loss of traction because the system was activated

Piotr · 03-08-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Don't forget about modern, advanced types of ESP like in new Ferraris and Porsches that actually make even race drivers faster. That technology will eventually be passed on to "lowly," sports cars like the XR4, like everything else was.

Id like to see that.

wylergnu · 03-08-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by morbo

- the rear wiper wipes when the front ones are on and the reverse gear is selected.

My god...... Ive always wondered why the rear wiper would sometimes turn on for no apparent reason. Its annoyed the heck out of me. I must have been in reverse!

Danny · 03-08-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

If you are a good enough driver and alert and smart you shoudlnt need ESP.

Yeah but for the other 95% of drivers on our roads Caught unawares by Problem situations, and nay have a CLUE on what to do (Like ahem, You?), ESP is a fantastic tool....

photn · 03-08-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Yeah but for the other 95% of drivers on our roads Caught unawares by Problem situations, and nay have a CLUE on what to do (Like ahem, You?), ESP is a fantastic tool....

ohh i agree with you 100% but im just saying thats what i interpreted ivan as saying...

i WANT esp.. and now that the loan HAS been approved.. I will be getting a car with ESP.

Ives · 03-08-2007, 04:36 PM

Woah, I didnt expect to stir up some dusts.

What I mean about what I said is that people are focussing too much on ESP, TC, DSC, ABC, HIW, KYJ, AYC, ACDC, ETC and forgetting other major factors that can prevent serious accidents.

Steffo · 03-08-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

Id like to see that.

Porsche 997 Carrera S, 7:59 on Nurburgring-Nordschleife with PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) and PSM (Porsche Stability Management) set to Performance... by Walter Rohrl, factory test driver and former rally great.

With the new F430 at Fiorano with their test driver's there's no difference in performance with the professional testers having the manettino switch in "Race" (limited traction and stability control interference) and "CST," (all systems off).

When stuff like this hits normal cars though...

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More on topic... I had an instance or two, ahem, hehe, in my Fiesta that would've been avoided with ESP. One cost me $310... which was a new tie-rod (front right) and wheel alignment. Wet road + slightly loose surace due to poorly maintained by council wet road + 60km/h + median strip = bad for suspension. Though it was either that or smack a parked car so I think I chose the better of the two.... :(

morbo · 03-08-2007, 05:31 PM

Am I allowed to do a youtube link?
Youtube (and ESP) is your friend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-hHWSQhKuc

Ives · 03-08-2007, 05:55 PM

Very nice vid. thanks for sharing.

frinik · 03-08-2007, 11:07 PM

like the fez coz the cabin light turns off if i dont close the door properly ...thus saving my battery ;)

morbo · 04-08-2007, 12:44 AM

Really? I didn't know that.

Meanwhile I can only find THREE cup holders. Am i blind? One in each front door and one near the mp3 input.

Piotr · 04-08-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Porsche 997 Carrera S, 7:59 on Nurburgring-Nordschleife with PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) and PSM (Porsche Stability Management) set to Performance... by Walter Rohrl, factory test driver and former rally great.

With the new F430 at Fiorano with their test driver's there's no difference in performance with the professional testers having the manettino switch in "Race" (limited traction and stability control interference) and "CST," (all systems off).

Neither of those show ESP being faster than no ESP

Steffo · 04-08-2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

Neither of those show ESP being faster than no ESP

Oh right, forgot to mention... with PASM and PSM off... he did 8:05 in the 997 S. 6 seconds with PASM & PSM on... with a professional driver.

7:59 with PASM on Performance and PSM on
8:02 with PASM on Sport and PSM on
8:05 with PASM on Standard and PSM on
8:05 with everything off

Danny · 05-08-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ives

What I mean about what I said is that people are focussing too much on ESP and forgetting other major factors that can prevent serious accidents.

I agree, You cant throw a car into absolute silly high speed low friction oblivion and throw up your hands expecting the Electro Nannies to save you.

They're good for situations where you're caught unawares.