Another GT stolen in Perth - Page 3

**Full Noise** · 05-12-2007, 02:21 PM

It’s amazing how little things like this cost these days. I’m setting up a dedicated computer with battery backup for zero lux cameras and going down the bollard road at the moment. Bollards are a great deterrent for when a premises is un occupied.

It’s funny when you speak to an insurance company, “cough RACV cough” and ask if there is a discount on your car insurance because you have a bollard in your driveway.

Full Noise: Do you have a discount for people who install below ground bollards in their driveways?

RACV: No sir, although we do offer a discount if you have one of our approved monitored alarm systems.

Full Noise: Do you know what bollards are?

RACV: Yes sir, however they won’t stop your car from being stolen.

Full Noise: WTF, are you people on drugs? What do you think car dealers use? They’ll stop a truck from driving through the doors of Parliament house, but you’re not prepared to recognise them as a theft deterrent?

RACV: No sir, blah blah insurance company crap, blah blah blah.

Full Noise: No worries. Have a nice day.

fmc351 · 05-12-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

It’s amazing how little things like this cost these days. I’m setting up a dedicated computer with battery backup for zero lux cameras and going down the bollard road at the moment. Bollards are a great deterrent for when a premises is un occupied.

It’s funny when you speak to an insurance company, “cough RACV cough” and ask if there is a discount on your car insurance because you have a bollard in your driveway.

Full Noise: Do you have a discount for people who install below ground bollards in their driveways?

RACV: No sir, although we do offer a discount if you have one of our approved monitored alarm systems.

Full Noise: Do you know what bollards are?

RACV: Yes sir, however they won’t stop your car from being stolen.

Full Noise: WTF, are you people on drugs? What do you think car dealers use? They’ll stop a truck from driving through the doors of Parliament house, but you’re not prepared to recognise them as a theft deterrent?

RACV: No sir, blah blah insurance company crap, blah blah blah.

Full Noise: No worries. Have a nice day.

Well, theres bollards and then theres bollards. Its like comparing a B-Double to a 1970's Toyota Dyna.

The ones in the pic above would need nothing but bolt cutters to defeat (sorry mate, but its the truth). If they are convenient for you to remove, they are not too much harder for a thief. Thieves dont normally just happen upon a place. They are aware of much more than you expect, and come prepared, often, you have the tools they need.

I grew up in bad area of Melbourne. I grew up around, and went to school with some bad people. Just as an idea, one guy used to hire the latest cars, park them in his garage and pull door trims off to find out how to get in, sussed ignitions etc. He had state of the alarms fitted to his car, got the schematic, and worked out how to defeat it. These guys were serious about the stuff they did, yet they were just punks (skilled, but punks nonetheless), not organised crime.

Why do people assume a thief is so dumb? Never underestimate a thief.

**Full Noise** · 05-12-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

The ones in the pic above would need nothing but bolt cutters to defeat (sorry mate, but its the truth). If they are convenient for you to remove, they are not too much harder for a thief.

I was mainly talking about the below ground type bollards, as per the link in post 10. I will never underestimate the resourcefulness of professional thieves, however, the time taken and noise made trying to bypass one of these would be considerable.

4Vman · 05-12-2007, 03:59 PM

With all the cutting and grinding stuff in my garage, and most other people's garages a bollard would slow them down for all of say 5 mins...
I don't even bother locking my cars in the garage to stop the damage caused by forcing entry, i figure once their in the garage dont force them to damage the car any further.
Based on what ive heard about recent events im not too concerned about needing to upgrade my security any further than what it already is though....

fmc351 · 05-12-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I was mainly talking about the below ground type bollards, as per the link in post 10. I will never underestimate the resourcefulness of professional thieves, however, the time taken and noise made trying to bypass one of these would be considerable.

Without seeing the mechanism for locking. You ever seen what a stolen 4x4 can do with some chain or a non stretch snatchem? Joy riding kids are one thing, thieves are something else altogether.

Most thieves have more front than Myer.

Dont get me wrong, its better than nothing. But Im still surprised insurance companies give discounts for anything, nothing works, except yourself and a shotgun.

GK351 · 05-12-2007, 08:32 PM

If i was a theif and saw a garage bollard, i would think twice about trying to break it
to get the car, they are good security, i dont think a 4x4 can break a bollard fmc351
it would spin the wheels trying to pull it out or bust a transfer case while trying. a well installed post forget about ramming it..check video link..

http://www.l-v.com.au/Products-List....ntCategoryID=0

I have one in my garage, its a black securepost i have welded some steel rio onto the sleeve for more grab if somebody is game enough to jump in my back yard god help them. play time for the dog i guess.

Most rare muscle car owners i know have them, most that dont are asking for trouble
or simply want it to go missing.

I bet the insurance companies have some people power looking at thefts in a very open mind these days.

galaxy xr8 · 05-12-2007, 09:35 PM

I have thought about pollards and other devices but like what was mentioned above if they are serious they will take it no matter what,even if that means dammaging the vehicle or your possesions, I suspose the best insurance is to have up to date insurance, make sure you are covered for what its worth, and be mindfull off the surroundings and happenings, good neighbours is a start, I have elderly people on every side of me that are retired, and one of which would know everybodys movements in the whole street, she doesn't miss a beat, we all look after each other's property if one goes away, its sad we have to be like this but this is the times we live in.

fmc351 · 05-12-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GK5766

If i was a theif and saw a garage bollard, i would think twice about trying to break it
to get the car, they are good security, i dont think a 4x4 can break a bollard fmc351
it would spin the wheels trying to pull it out or bust a transfer case while trying. a well installed post forget about ramming it..check video link..

http://www.l-v.com.au/Products-List....ntCategoryID=0

I have one in my garage, its a black securepost i have welded some steel rio onto the sleeve for more grab if somebody is game enough to jump in my back yard god help them. play time for the dog i guess.

Most rare muscle car owners i know have them, most that dont are asking for trouble or simply want it to go missing.

It wont be a gentle pull, it will be a lot more like a ram raid except pulling away with a chain or snatchem designed to yank a 3.5 tonne 4x4 axle deep in mud (what kind of strain does that equate to?). It would be interesting to see which is weaker. Id look towards anchor points, more so than the bollard itself.

Im not saying bollards in general are useless, in something like the Opera house, we would be talking about serious bollards, with serious anchoring. Id like to see the bollard in the footage after that hit? Would it take another hit?

What Im saying is, if a thief wants it, and hes knows what hes doing, in a domestic situation, short of a Packer mansion type building, he'll get it if youre not home. I know people dont like hearing it, just as they dont like the copper being honest with them and saying its unlikely to be found, and they dont have the resources or authority to scour backyards to find it. Im only pointing it out so people dont think theyve got it covered and relax. I mean in this thread, we heard it said, "they took it from a garage?" The last one that went from a panel shop, same response and that they moved other cars. To outhink a thief, you need to think like one, most of us dont.

Monitored security, with quick response humans is about the best bet. Set to go off if the bollard is messed with, or door opened etc. If security is quick enough, you may stop them. Short of that, I doubt youll secure it. Basically, you need all of it, and even then, its still possible theyll pull it off. You could always put it in a a container and weld the doors shut, but then someone stole a house, and moved it.

galaxy xr8 · 05-12-2007, 09:39 PM

There's a certain lookout spot here in Bendigo, that all the locals frequant often, I grew up right next door to it, every night you would here some fool up there, smoking them up or drunk and screaming their head off, it was quite anoying really, anyway the local council has put up some pollards to stop the idiots driving into the bush, and you want to know how long they lasted, not very long.

chich · 05-12-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FRDPWR

security is very imnportant for GT's. I dont have a xy gt but as you can see below i take security serously. i Have had a car stolen from a locked garage before and its a pain in the .

You take security seriously yet you willingly post pics of your car on the net proudly showing the number plates. Interesting..

4Vman · 05-12-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

You take security seriously yet you willingly post pics of your car on the net proudly showing the number plates. Interesting..

Every time you drive your car you display your numberplates........

chich · 05-12-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Every time you drive your car you display your numberplates........

... where 99% of people couldn't give a stuff whether you drove a 6000hp XB or a stock 1979 Datsun Stanza. An internet forum dedicated to enthusiasts is a slightly different story.

fmc351 · 05-12-2007, 10:13 PM

Well, its narrowed down to a state, and it looks like the plates are the same on the rear of the Cobra and front of the XE.

nb_351 · 06-12-2007, 12:15 AM

i disagree, the xe has an r, the cobra has an a...
i notice things like that...
a bollard is merely a speedhump in a thiefs trip...
its not as if he just shows up and says alright im taking this, chances are hell suss it out beforehand...
but then theres the ones that are on a high, from some less legal substances etc...
even manned security will not stop them, theyll just get an extra person or two...
i wouldnt be posting up my rego, but thats just me... it wouldnt be hard for someone to get your address or a rough idea, then go from there... growing up going to kingswood, people from western sydney will know all about it... i know all about stuff like this...
galaxyxr8 has it all planned out lol thats the way to go, short of patrolled security...
it would be convenient if someone tried to steal my car, was locked inside it and then i found them and the car containing them...

fmc351 · 06-12-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nb_351

i disagree, the xe has an r, the cobra has an a...
i notice things like that...

It does too.

TZENU · 06-12-2007, 11:12 AM

A thief that can get past the bollards and your secuirty is not interested in a 40-50k car, more a 100k plus car to make it worth their while.

E.g the rare muscle cars, ferraris', porsches' etc.

Those bollards are to stop the would-be thieves rather than the professionals and i will be putting some up in my garage when we start building it.

FRDPWR · 06-12-2007, 11:54 AM

i hear what you are all saying in different posts. the locks on the bollards are special heavy duty locks, they can only be cut through using a grinder or other high powered tools were most ppl are going to hear them late at night,

in regards to the plates im not fussed beause these cars are registered to my parents place not mine were they are stored. and before anyone asks it is covered by insurance that they are differnt locations.

the car is obvously alarmed, i also have the garage alarmed and a dog in the back, i guess if anyone really wants the car they will take it.

tex · 06-12-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

It still would be pretty tough to get it out of the country in a sea container, surely immigration check everything that goes in and out of the ports...

Customs (and Quarentine) combined inspect - that is actually open up - less than 5 percent of sea freight in / out of Aus.

The real figure is closer to 2 % !!!!!!!!!

That comes from people I deal with in AQIS and Customs.