V6 Holdens are BAD!

[Smoke Pursuit]

Hey guys,

I was unlucky enough to score a MY06 VZ Wagon today, the car was a late 06 / early 07 build (didnt check the plate), had 9000 kms on it and it was dirty dirty..

Neways what a POS!!! It would have to be the worse car I have driven in the last 4 years.. In comparison to the BA / BF Falcons ive driven it was slow, rough, and damn underbraked!!! The quality of the interior was bad (the VE is better)..

My question is however how the hell did the VY / VZ outsell Ford?? Like seriously, this car is slower at every speed, from a stand still you gun it and it has to rev its nuts off to get to 5,500 rpm, at 60 kms an hour you boot it and it doesnt drop a gear, just struggles its rear end off (no torque).

Overall i would rate this car a 3 / 10 in comparison to 6.5 / 10 for the last BF MKII XT i drove..

Disgraceful, i feel sorry for the people who actually thought / think the Vy / VZ was a good car, and even more so those who bought one.

[bonspeed]

Dopey one eyed holden supporters?

[bodes-sh]

vy was better, no drive by wire and a 3.8 instead of 3.6. still they are very gutless for a large car...

[mad cow]

they have a holden badge, thats why people buy them. just look at the daewoo kalos, they couldnt give them away!!!! but put on a hoden badge and call it a barina and whammo its a good seller... go figure. :

[burnz]

that i'll teach you to get a six.
next time get an eight. if their is a next time.

[Falc'man]

It's more to do with fleet sales Brent, and very little to do with personal preference. Same goes with Toyota's sales, they've got the government sales all sown up in QLD.

[DoreSlamR]

Why do they sell? Its coz Holdens go better


Just because..no reasons given so take their word for it ok

[schnoods]

I went to a car Ex governement Auction last week, Ba mk2's were going for 10-14 with between 20-40,000 on the clock, while VZ station wagoons were going for 10-12 grand with a hundred thousand on the clock, no shortage of bidding and i was dumbfounded.

Having driven both I was stunned, A few BA-BF's didnt meet reserve due to lack of interest, every VZ sold for a couple grand more despite being rougher body wise, an older shape, and higher km's too..

One thing for needs to learn from Holden is Marketing, when you can sell an inferior product regardless of competition it says something..

[Smoke Pursuit]

Yeh well, this car felt like an EF... No joke and I have driven plenty of E series cars to compare it to.. It was a junk bucket....

[GTP290]

I drove a VE SSV on the weekend, I was considering trading my two cars in on it and use it as a daily. HOLDENS DO NOT GO BETTER, the 6.0 litre which I expected to have loads more down load torque than my 4 speed BOSS motor was slower down low and had to be pushed hard for the gearbox to kick down and rev its tits off, It felt like a four speed box behind it, brakes were solid and just felt marginal for the weight of the car which pulled up with no urgency. The trim was also poorly peiced together with bits flapping on the rear windscreen and the headrest plastic inserts on top off the seats all uneven. Maybe I was expecting way to much from this car, but being an 07 model with 12000 kms on the clock and supposedly car of the year two times running just made me wonder how much looks sell cars and quality doesnt.
Id consider buying this car based on the looks of it because I do like the look of it, but dont try tell me its better than a FG or a BFII for that mattter, because its got a long way to go before it can claim that title.

[vanman_75]

a bloke i was talking to at wedding the other night is going from xr6t to an sv6 , says it drives nice
somehow i think peer pressure ,and the i just want 1 joke is making em leave our stable.
if he was getting an ss id say apples and apples ,but why anyone would buy that lump on purpose is beyond me

[El Sucio]

Marketing...purely and simply marketing.

If there is one thing you have to tip your hat to Holden is their marketing. Could you imagine how many sales they would make if they combined their marketing team with Ford's current product offerings...

The mind boggles.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Yeh well, this car felt like an EF... No joke and I have driven plenty of E series cars to compare it to.. It was a junk bucket....

Don't insult the EF! Or any E-series for that matter.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Don't insult the EF! Or any E-series for that matter.

Wasnt meant to insult E series, just saying that Holdens Techonlogy feels 10 years older then ours.. As for the Junk bucket part, thats Directed at the horrible motor!

Ease up turbo!!!!!!!!

[stevz]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Hey guys,

I was unlucky enough to score a MY06 VZ Wagon today, the car was a late 06 / early 07 build (didnt check the plate), had 9000 kms on it and it was dirty dirty..

Neways what a POS!!! It would have to be the worse car I have driven in the last 4 years.. In comparison to the BA / BF Falcons ive driven it was slow, rough, and damn underbraked!!! The quality of the interior was bad (the VE is better)..

My question is however how the hell did the VY / VZ outsell Ford?? Like seriously, this car is slower at every speed, from a stand still you gun it and it has to rev its nuts off to get to 5,500 rpm, at 60 kms an hour you boot it and it doesnt drop a gear, just struggles its rear end off (no torque).

Overall i would rate this car a 3 / 10 in comparison to 6.5 / 10 for the last BF MKII XT i drove..

Disgraceful, i feel sorry for the people who actually thought / think the Vy / VZ was a good car, and even more so those who bought one.

Bit of a silly exaggeration don't you think?
For their intended purpose, they do the job more than adequately. They are not a performance car and I fail to understand why some people expect them to behave as such. People who buy these type of cars do not jump in them and drive them at ten tenths every day.

[V3RSAC3]

I love the VZ, my missus has one, and they are WONDERFULL cars to drive! although I do agree that they aren't very powerful and the steering is very heavy (compared to my AU), although I just love driving it, I don't know why but i think it's AWSOME ... :

I'd consider buying a VZ over a BF if i was to update anytime soon, but thats just my personal oppinion

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by stevz

Bit of a silly exaggeration don't you think?
For their intended purpose, they do the job more than adequately. They are not a performance car and I fail to understand why some people expect them to behave as such. People who buy these type of cars do not jump in them and drive them at ten tenths every day.

Hardly..

Im not comparing it to my BFII Super Pursuit, im comparing it to the dozens of BA / BF XT's ive driven, which would kill it in just about every way.. The Gearbox Engine would be the biggest let down for the car, the v6 is appauling... You dont need to drive it like a race car to see its downfalls, specially in the torque department.

I would go as far as saying the Mitsubishi 380 is even a better car, and considering how much of a failure it was, thats a big statement.

I also now see why the V8's were so popular, especially on the luxury models.. to buy a V6 Statesmen would be an embarrassment going on how this thing powered up and down hills today..

[burnz]

holden require different driving styles, you have to get used to them.
the same as i have to get used to ford's.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by V3RSAC3

I love the VZ, my missus has one, and they are WONDERFULL cars to drive! although I do agree that they aren't very powerful and the steering is very heavy (compared to my AU), although I just love driving it, I don't know why but i think it's AWSOME ... :

I'd consider buying a VZ over a BF if i was to update anytime soon, but thats just my personal oppinion

Thats your choice and good on you, but why you would buy a product that was inferior is beyond me.. The only thing the VZ does better then the BF is it has a digital speedo...

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by burnz

holden require different driving styles, you have to get used to them.
the same as i have to get used to ford's.

Ive only got one driving style, thats hard... My intention was to put this car through its paces, to see what all the fuss was about.. I came back with no answers...

[V3RSAC3]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Thats your choice and good on you, but why you would buy a product that was inferior is beyond me.. The only thing the VZ does better then the BF is it has a digital speedo...

Yeah that's true, and i don't really know why I would, it's just somethings gotten me about them and I dont know what it is .. I just really like them .. I dunno hey, must just be personal taste.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Ive only got one driving style, thats hard... My intention was to put this car through its paces, to see what all the fuss was about.. I came back with no answers...

if you feed the power on, it will stay in top gear.
if you tap the loud peddal it will drop a gear or more depending on how angrily you taped it.
i find with the ford when i wanto keep up with traffick it drop's a gear, i only want to accelerate not race.

[burnz]

given time it will learn your driving style

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by burnz

holden require different driving styles, you have to get used to them.
the same as i have to get used to ford's.

LOL what, like driving like a dckhead and cutting people off, giving them the finger, forcing your way into merges, etc? Sounds like a Holden-approved driving technique to me!!

But seriously, you're right. My old man has a VT dunnydore. I find you have to rev the nuts off it to make it move and it has bugger all torque for such a 'big' engine. He thinks all Fords need you to plant it to move. Different throttle configs, gearing etc all make the cars different. But I still hate holdens and those who drive them with a passion

[stevz]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Ive only got one driving style, thats hard... My intention was to put this car through its paces, to see what all the fuss was about.. I came back with no answers...

Well the car seems to perfectly fulfill the needs of those who buy them, so why does it matter to you so much? If you don't like it don't buy it. Simple. Does bagging it out really make you feel better?
If your only driving style is 'hard' then a V6 family car is obviously not for you.
Why do I get the feeling that the only reason you started this thread is to seek attention/get your post count up?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by stevz

Well the car seems to perfectly fulfill the needs of those who buy them, so why does it matter to you so much? If you don't like it don't buy it. Simple.
Does bagging it out really make you feel better?
Why do I get the feeling that the only reason you started this thread is to
seek attention/get your post count up?

More to the point whats your obsession with trying to defend holden here, and BAG out Fords?? why dont you go take a jump, your the one with the issue here, lets all go look at your post history, nearly every post is about GMH ffs!

I drove the car and im making observations based on the experience i had with it today.. It was a bucket of shiteee, theres no doubt about it...

I asked a question as to why this car was a better seller then the BA / BF when its truely lacking in comparison?? Maybe you should go join boatanchorcruising.com.. coz thats all this car was, a boat anchor! What does a VZ Executive do better then a BF XT, please answer that.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Hunter

LOL what, like driving like a dckhead and cutting people off, giving them the finger, forcing your way into merges, etc? Sounds like a Holden-approved driving technique to me!!

But seriously, you're right. My old man has a VT dunnydore. I find you have to rev the nuts off it to make it move and it has bugger all torque for such a 'big' engine. He thinks all Fords need you to plant it to move. Different throttle configs, gearing etc all make the cars different. But I still hate holdens and those who drive them with a passion

um i'm in sydney not brisvagas

[dave289]

As a complete mechanical package,the ve v6 does not even compare to a ba built in 02.I have driven enough of both to know.The ve engine is very rough by comparison and the way the gearbox is mated to the engine is another shocker.

[samftr]

What got me on the Vy was when I opened the bonnet to check out the "v6" the ecotech was still in there.
Ok, its covered with a lobster, pretty boring,


Shut the bonnet

Clunk the BADGE fell off the grille...

EWWW

[16wantsI6]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Thats your choice and good on you, but why you would buy a product that was inferior is beyond me.. The only thing the VZ does better then the BF is it has a digital speedo...

ha my ef has sigital speedo, infat digital everything and its stock