Why so many sportswagons? - Page 2

Dezza · 10-09-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BA Waggn

I think you'll find that the VE is the same body as the VZ.
I read about the VZ stopping production, and the (surplus) bodies of the VZ's, went into the new VE's.

Usually it seems that the wagon is always using a previous body shape but all that chages is the front area (hood bonnet etc etc).
Ford and Holden do it a lot.

Yes, they look the same

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Trendseeker · 10-09-2008, 10:05 PM

Yes they look okay for a station wagon, but they have less storage space in than previous models. There's enough room for your sports stuff (tennis racket, football) but nothing too large. I saw three the other day, all in the Suttons City Holden new car yard when I went to pick up my daughter's commodore (my old car) from the service department. The nice white trim in the one I had a close look at would be hard to keep clean. And I'll bet they still provide a free sponge with every new commodore. It's stored under the brake pedal. Ah, the usual suspects have arrived!

Spanrz · 10-09-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6_190

Mate, You are way off

I was quoting a paper article that was published in the Herald Sun just before the VE's (wagons) came out.
The guy that wrote the article must of been misinformed as well.

That was the first thing I wanted to know about the new wagons, was it using the VZ body or not. I know its a fair bit shorter than the VZ (VE sedan base maybe?)

And I just remember this guy quoting this particular statement.

GlennBA · 10-09-2008, 10:45 PM

Commodore wagons have looked better thank falcon wagons since the VT and AU i reckon.
Come to think of it.. the 2008 BFIII wagon looks pretty much the same as a 1998 AU wagon apart from the front. Perhaps thats why the sales are pitiful...?

The VE sportwagon is classy and modern. Helen Keller would buy one over a falcon wagon..

Airmon · 11-09-2008, 12:39 AM

The VE Sportswagon is the best looking car in the VE Range and would be the only model I would buy, even a few Die hard commodore mates have mentioned the same thing.

JADED6 · 11-09-2008, 03:20 AM

Omega spec looks ordinary but the higher spec models look brilliant. Much better than the sedan.

In an article I read the other day, the forthcomng Territory re-shape (2010?) will take hints from the FG. Photoshop gurus should get stuck into that asap.

Dragoneletra · 11-09-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alecrain

Has Holden marketing department won again?

Only with the front half of the car, I got stuck behind one the other day and was looking at the rear door and nearly crashed due to laughter, it looks ridiculous.

Jc

BFZ Wagon · 11-09-2008, 03:55 AM

I've been noticing quite a lot of SportWagon's on the Gold Coast & in Brisbane. I saw one towing a trailer the other day so obviously lawn mowing people etc. are buying them. I'm also noticing quite a few as rep vehicles already. I guess they can choose a certain spec for their needs. I know someone who would only ever have a Berlina wagon as a company car up until the end of the VZ. Ford killed their higher-spec wagons off years ago.
It is unfortunate that Ford only has 1 type of Falcon wagon now with the BFIII but at least it's still out there and being bought.

The positive spin on all this is... Ok.. people are buying a Holden.. but at least they're buying an Aussie built car.

End of rant. ;)

lowriding · 11-09-2008, 07:36 PM

nothing to do with the vz wagon , the difference is this time it's built on the SWB platform ,previously built on the LWB . This is the reason for the shorter cargo area but also for the more athletic drive / look . They look great imo , even in pov form they are quite smart compared to the competition.

**Stav** · 11-09-2008, 08:32 PM

The new commodore wagon is a useless workers car.The back boot is half the size of the au ba ford wagons. Apart from a big v8 those cars are nowhere. Ford on the other hand should have had a turbo charged wagon. What are they waiting for? How much longer will parts be around to keep my wagon going?

GlennBA · 11-09-2008, 08:37 PM

You could make the current falcon as fast as you like.. it'd still not be as comfortable to drive.

Spanrz · 11-09-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

Ford on the other hand should have had a turbo charged wagon. What are they waiting for?

Now you are talking. Didn't FTG try this on the "Tsunami" wagon, or was it with a stock BF motor?

With my sig, doesn't Ford listen to it's customers ?

uranium_death · 12-09-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Airmon

The VE Sportswagon is the best looking car in the VE Range and would be the only model I would buy, even a few Die hard commodore mates have mentioned the same thing.

Agreed.

The weakness of the AU/B-Series wagons was the rear. Hideous. Those lights, absolutely flat tailgate and flat roofline scream 1980s.
Does the roofline of the A-B series wagons differ that much from the E-Series?

The VE Wagon does look nice overall, and looks far, far, FAR better than the Sedan, which I think looks hideous. The only VE Sedans that look decent from the back are the HSVs, but seeing that HSVs are only a small portion of Holden's sales, it's a poor, poor reflection on the styling of the vehicle.

The VE wagon is easily the nicest of the lot.

Fev · 12-09-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BA Waggn

Now you are talking. Didn't FTG try this on the "Tsunami" wagon, or was it with a stock BF motor?

With my sig, doesn't Ford listen to it's customers ?

yeha the tsunami was awesome, basicly a wagon F6 including brakes and BA GT wheels.. yum

XR06T · 12-09-2008, 01:57 PM

i think an R8 wagon might just be my next car!

**FTE217** · 12-09-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

The new commodore wagon is a useless workers car.The back boot is half the size of the au ba ford wagons. Apart from a big v8 those cars are nowhere. Ford on the other hand should have had a turbo charged wagon. What are they waiting for? How much longer will parts be around to keep my wagon going?

Stav my friend not everyone wants a leaf sprung old work horse...no the new commy wagon is not no where.
If I needed a wagon now a R8 or SS wagon would be on order as I don't need to carry 1/2ton of crap and I like some in the market are not SUV followers.
On the other hand if Ford did it with a I6T or better still an 8 yer they'd sell a few but not as many as GM so it wouldn't be worth their while as we all know.