Prohibited Vehicle Exemption

[Alanbxr8]

Has anyone successfully been granted a prohibited vehicle exemption in NSW, I am applying for my son to drive our EL 5.0 L V8, not what I would call a high performance car, I can not claim an employment exemption as he does not work for me

Please PM if you where able to get one.

[madmelon]

If it is the only family car he can be exempt, otherwise no chance.

[fordomatic]

not a chance

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Alanbxr8

Has anyone successfully been granted a prohibited vehicle exemption in NSW, I am applying for my son to drive our EL 5.0 L V8, not what I would call a high performance car, I can not claim an employment exemption as he does not work for me

Please PM if you where able to get one.

WHY???

[Alanbxr8]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

WHY???

Good question, it's because I would rather see him driving a car that I know is safe & has all the safety features that come with that car,it's a Ghia , instead of a car that he buys for $2K -$3 & can not afford to keep on the road, he is still at school with very little income

Finally I can't afford to keep 3 cars on the road.

[FPV+fteT3]

Originally Posted by madmelon

If it is the only family car he can be exempt, otherwise no chance.

This is correct only other exception is work vehicle. My kids are learning in the Impressa when they get their "p's" until they buy a car they will have to drive the family car that is the loophole. not everyone can own a pos I choose cars I like as I pay for them.

Totally agree with the post above we choose to have our kids in safe cars.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Alanbxr8

Good question, it's because I would rather see him driving a car that I know is safe & has all the safety features that come with that car,it's a Ghia , instead of a car that he buys for $2K -$3 & can not afford to keep on the road, he is still at school with very little income

Finally I can't afford to keep 3 cars on the road.

Here is an idea, sell the V8 and together with his $2-3K buy a legal car for him. Cheaper rego and insurance and the life you save may be your sons.

There is a reason why these laws were brought in......

[Froudey]

he should be right driving it if it fits with the power to weight deely, is a bog standard el v8 the 164 or kilowatt motor? as a p plater could drive the stantard 187kw (or what ever it is) NA 6 cyl BA (which in theory or relaity could make mince meet of the older v8s).. but when did he get his p's? recently or prior 1 july 07?

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by Froudey

he should be right driving it if it fits with the power to weight deely, is a bog standard el v8 the 164 or kilowatt motor? as a p plater could drive the stantard 187kw (or what ever it is) NA 6 cyl BA (which in theory or relaity could make mince meet of the older v8s).. but when did he get his p's? recently or prior 1 july 07?

NSW has the same laws as Victoria I think, which even if it is under the P:W limits, he has no chance, as its a V8. Even if you got a work exemption, means he can only drive it to and from work. Say he goes down the street for fish and chips, he can get busted for that.

[bangm001]

Yeah good idea, buy him a Ba XT, which has 182 or so KW, but not let him drive an el 5L which has 168KW... :

[Alanbxr8]

Originally Posted by Froudey

he should be right driving it if it fits with the power to weight deely, is a bog standard el v8 the 164 or kilowatt motor? as a p plater could drive the stantard 187kw (or what ever it is) NA 6 cyl BA (which in theory or relaity could make mince meet of the older v8s).. but when did he get his p's? recently or prior 1 july 07?

My thoughts exactly, the car is only 176KW, however can legally drive a new N/A 6 that would eat the EL

He got his P's last week

No I'm not going to sell it as know the cars history & is worth more than I would get for it.

[Fordfan4u]

This wont end nice I dont think..
I lost my licence, had to go back and re-do my 2 years of green P's, courts desicion. 8
I got stuck with the restrictions. I drive a BA XR8 daily.... it quickly ended up in dad's name so I could keep driving it.
The 'theory' behind the law is a good one, but it hasnt really been put to use all that well, its actually a bit of a joke now.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Alanbxr8

My thoughts exactly, the car is only 176KW, however can legally drive a new N/A 6 that would eat the EL

He got his P's last week

No I'm not going to sell it as know the cars history & is worth more than I would get for it.

Yes you would get maybe $2k-$3k for it. So why don't you get him to buy a 6 cylinder EL. They must be safe enough for you and you can share the cost of cable ties.

[bangm001]

I went through a similar thing with my first car (not related to me not being able to drive it, but rather insurance issues), a VSII SS (5 speed). Immaculate car, but noone would insure me (I did know this prior to me buying it). So all I could get this side of $4000 per year for insurance was third party, fire and theft.
When I bought my New Typhoon, insurance wasnt a problem and they only wanted around $1500 a year for a 50K car, with double the power and torque. So yes fun and games!

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by Froudey

he should be right driving it if it fits with the power to weight deely, is a bog standard el v8 the 164 or kilowatt motor? as a p plater could drive the stantard 187kw (or what ever it is) NA 6 cyl BA (which in theory or relaity could make mince meet of the older v8s).. but when did he get his p's? recently or prior 1 july 07?

What power weight restrictions? NSW does not have power weight restrictions.
In simple terms no V8, No turbo, no superchargers, no performance mods, no high performance 6.

For a clearer understanding of what the NSW rules are goto http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...ns.html?llid=4 and have a read.

And for exemptions:
A limited exemption from the prohibited vehicle condition may be granted if:

A prohibited vehicle needs to be driven for genuine employment purposes.
Eight or more cylinder 4WD vehicles are required by country drivers who have no practical alternative.
You can prove direct ownership of a prohibited vehicle prior to the start of the scheme or before an overseas/interstate licence transfer.
The principal family vehicle is a moderate-performance turbo/supercharged engine vehicle.
Note: NSW provisional licences issued prior to 11 July 2005 were not conditioned. However, the condition will be applied if the provisonal driver is disqualified for an offence committed on or after 11 July 2005. In these instances, the provisional holder may be granted and exemption if they can prove direct ownership of their current vehicle at the time of the offence that led to the disqualification.

Examples of moderate performance turbo/supercharged vehicles that may be eligible for exemption include (but not limited to):

Audi 1781 cc, A3 and A4
Mercedes-Benz 1796 cc, C180, CLK200K, E200K, C200, C230 and SLK 200K
Saab 1988 cc, 9-3 Linear, Arc and Vector
Volvo 2521 cc, S80, XC70 and XC90
Volkswagon 1781 cc, Passat, Beetle and Golf


note, V8 (non 4WD) is not on the list

[Mr Hardware]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes you would get maybe $2k-$3k for it. So why don't you get him to buy a 6 cylinder EL. They must be safe enough for you and you can share the cost of cable ties.

bwahahahahahaha
that's awesome.
Also alanbxr8, stop crying poor. You own two V8s.

[Marduk]

Used to be power to weight.

You can get an exemption if that's the only car available for him I believe.

But in the end it's up to whether you think your son is responsible enough.

[ST]

Originally Posted by flappist

There is a reason why these laws were brought in.....

And what reason is that? P-Plate hooning has INCREASED in recent times. There are more high speed crashes, street racing and just plain 'hooning' p-platers than ever before. Prohibiting V8's make absolutely no difference whatsoever. Have a look at the majority of young hoons cars; hotted up jap cars (with plenty of 6 cyl commos too). Most of them with barely any go in them at all. Where there is a will there is a way, even in a golf cart.

[Alanbxr8]

I thank you all for kind words of wisdom, please consider the following.

There are reasons why new drivers have restrictions placed upon them.
Least of which is to gain experience whilst driving at lower speeds, how then can he do this if he does not have access to a car. It is possible that he could gain a full license without having driven at all, unlikely but possible. That would not be in the publics best interest or his.

Remember it is not a powerful V8, I also have an XR8 no way would I allow him to drive that car.

"The life I save may be his own" see above it's not a fast car & I know it's road worthy, from experience I know what cars teenagers prefer to drive as I was one, spent more money on sound systems, mag wheels & exhaust than on keeping the car road worthy

[Lukeyson]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

stop crying poor. You own two V8s.

haha since when does owning two V8's make you rich ???

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Alanbxr8

I thank you all for kind words of wisdom, please consider the following.

There are reasons why new drivers have restrictions placed upon them.
Least of which is to gain experience whilst driving at lower speeds, how then can he do this if he does not have access to a car. It is possible that he could gain a full license without having driven at all, unlikely but possible. That would not be in the publics best interest or his.

Remember it is not a powerful V8, I also have an XR8 no way would I allow him to drive that car.

"The life I save may be his own" see above it's not a fast car & I know it's road worthy, from experience I know what cars teenagers prefer to drive as I was one, spent more money on sound systems, mag wheels & exhaust than on keeping the car road worthy

True it is not a "powerful" V8 but it is the same basic engine as a T3 which IS a powerful V8. 253 holdens are even less powerful. It is also interesting to note that a EL XR6 is actually quicker the the Ghia.

The laws are made to be reasionably simple for the average person to understand. Originally it was just V8s and turbos. Then someone pointed out that Porsche 911s, M3s 350Zs etc were all ok for P platers but still a bit too powerful so they and their ilk were specifically added.

You say your EL is "not powerful" and want and exemption. Is that just for you or for all ELs? If just for you then what makes you more important than everyone else and if for all ELs then what about EFs or EBs or VNs or whatever.

You could point out the the appropriate authorities that the "legal" XR6s are more powerful but the probable result will be having XR6s added to the banned list. This will NOT make you a lot of friends on here.

The tax act used to be a few pages long until the "special cases" were taken into concideration. Look at the mess now.

[Yellow_Festiva]

How old is your lad? Does he not work?

Why do you think it is your job to support his need to drive?? If he is able to drive legally he is able to also do 20 or so hrs a week.

In a few months he can easily make a few grand, you make a deal with him that for every $1 he makes you also chip in $1, or 50c whatever.

If you want him to have a safe car, and can't get around the law, buy the EL or whatever and it will give him some pride in the fact he already has his OWN set of wheels that he has EARNT.

Once he has the car, he can reduce his hrs to just make enough to keep it on the road, say 10 hrs a week.

This worked for me, and plenty more.....

[klawsterfobik]

Originally Posted by Alanbxr8

There are reasons why new drivers have restrictions placed upon them.Least of which is to gain experience whilst driving at lower speeds, how then can he do this if he does not have access to a car.

Without being rude, if your son does not have enough experience to drive by himself, in whatever car, then he should still be on his L Plates.

You are not arguing this point for training purposes, his training as such is complete, he has handed in his Learner's Permit, and can now drive by himself yes? The fact that he cannot drive a V8 is not an issue. Having him in that car is not going to stop him from having accidents.

As has been said, if it is of that much concern, sell the V8 Ghia, and get him something that has all the same safety features, and is in the same mechanical condition but complies with the rules as they have been set out.

[Alanbxr8]

Originally Posted by klawsterfobik

Without being rude, if your son does not have enough experience to drive by himself, in whatever car, then he should still be on his L Plates.

You are not arguing this point for training purposes, his training as such is complete, he has handed in his Learner's Permit, and can now drive by himself yes? The fact that he cannot drive a V8 is not an issue. Having him in that car is not going to stop him from having accidents.

As has been said, if it is of that much concern, sell the V8 Ghia, and get him something that has all the same safety features, and is in the same mechanical condition but complies with the rules as they have been set out.

His training is complete !!!!! Are you a politician ?? that's it, he now knows all he needs to know about driving by himself, the fact that he now has a P1 license with heavy restrictions would indicate that those wise people who make our laws believe there is much more to learn,something that is not happening now.

Try & get the point all V8's are not the same, for the last time The CAR is less powerful than todays N/A 6's something even the RTA acknowledge by offering exemptions

[Black F6]

i agree there should be restrictions, but it seems stupid that they can drive a BF with 190kw, but not a V8 with a lot less power, maybe power to weight may be a better alternative

[4Vman]

For the people who keep raising the BA 6 cyl is more powerful than an ELV8 argument i see this anomaly simply as a yet to be picked up loop hole.. the more you scream about it to try to substantiate your point the more likely it will get closed....

[Busted]

Originally Posted by Alanbxr8

His training is complete !!!!! Are you a politician ?? that's it, he now knows all he needs to know about driving by himself, the fact that he now has a P1 license with heavy restrictions would indicate that those wise people who make our laws believe there is much more to learn,something that is not happening now.

Try & get the point all V8's are not the same, for the last time The CAR is less powerful than todays N/A 6's something even the RTA acknowledge by offering exemptions

WOW talk obout Chines whispers. The question was can he get an exemption for his son to drive his V8 fairmont. The answer is yes but there are conditions.
How this became a debate on anything other than that is beyond me.

[Alanbxr8]

Originally Posted by flappist

You could point out the the appropriate authorities that the "legal" XR6s are more powerful but the probable result will be having XR6s added to the banned list. This will NOT make you a lot of friends on here.

I did not mention any model 6 cylinder, you just did, BTW XR6's & XT's have the same motor.

[Alanbxr8]

Originally Posted by Busted

WOW talk obout Chines whispers. The question was can he get an exemption for his son to drive his V8 fairmont. The answer is yes but there are conditions.
How this became a debate on anything other than that is beyond me.

Yep if they read my first post I asked if anyone had actually been successful in getting one a simple yes or no would have done.
Let me do the worrying about his driving & his school work & girlfriends & everything else that parents worry about.

[Falcon Coupe]

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