How much boost can an au six take? - Page 2

Sox · 13-07-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Stav

Thanks for the advice.

I am already at sub 14 second bracket lol. I know the guys here are running 9 to 11 psi quite ok.At about 9 to 11 psi I would expect around 250 to 280 rwkws and mid 12 second pasess.

You're not at the sub 14sec bracket yet Stav. And you're already broken 46 gearboxes.

What is it you're trying to do?
Be realistic, what is it you want or need to achieve with your wagon?

I understand it's your daily driven work and family car, right?
If that's the case, I don't think your plans make a lot of sense.

You've done many things the hard way over the years, it took you about 3 years to make over 170rwkw, which took myself and others about 3 months.

You've learnt a lot, as we all have, but you're a stubborn bugger who likes to do things your own sometimes painful way.

You think it's been hard so far, wait until you fit a turbo.....

JC · 13-07-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TX3VIL

........... now i think i've lost faith in the australian ford community.

As my 5 year olds would say "You'll get over it". What does that mean? It means not to get too hung up on what others think - keep posting as your opinion is as valid as anyone's and the difference between fact and fiction tends to sort itself out.

TX3VIL · 13-07-2009, 11:40 AM

I'm sure you're right, sorry for flying off the deep end there.

RG · 13-07-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by StealthAu

I think you have made that quite clear.

And you are?

I'm getting quite sick of some of the comments I'm seeing in here lately.

Badcooky · 13-07-2009, 07:10 PM

Stick it to 'em Stav......or not,i don't care.

**Stav** · 13-07-2009, 08:49 PM

For me as the wagon gets older it is personal. I am thinking of deregistering the car and make it drags only toy Sox.
However there is also the thought in my mind that it is still running well and perhaps for my own fun get some forced induction happening. Really its my hobby.. At the end of the day Tim from Raptor has kits ready to go 9 psi and few hours work to install. Not rocket science. I already run the haltech so tuning will not be an issue.
Yes I like doing it myself as the most component failures were due to parts supplied by the proffessionals. Not all but most were. Now that I have some decent knowledge ..paid my dues..broken parts it may be time for a new project. Id like to share with you guys....
One other thing..it was never bout the killowatts but the timeslips and the daily driving of the car. Took me a few years because i bought a lemon.Thats why I have had to fix everything.

Sox · 13-07-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

For me as the wagon gets older it is personal. I am thinking of deregistering the car and make it drags only toy Sox.

Now that would make much more sense.
I mean, I still wouldn't bother with a wagon as a toy, but whatever floats ya boat.

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However there is also the thought in my mind that it is still running well and perhaps for my own fun get some forced induction happening. Really its my hobby.. At the end of the day Tim from Raptor has kits ready to go 9 psi and few hours work to install. Not rocket science. I already run the haltech so tuning will not be an issue.

Sure, but I think you'll just make matters worse as far as reliability is concerned.
The more you do, the worse it gets.

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Yes I like doing it myself as the most component failures were due to parts supplied by the proffessionals. Not all but most were.

Mmmmm, I dunno, there were a few botched up jobs which you did and told us all about.

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Now that I have some decent knowledge ..paid my dues..broken parts it may be time for a new project. Id like to share with you guys....

Yep, understood. I'm just giving you other ideas and maybe helping to avoid costly mistakes.

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One other thing..it was never bout the killowatts

Never say never, you were dyno mad at the start.

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but the timeslips and the daily driving of the car. Took me a few years because i bought a lemon.Thats why I have had to fix everything.

I wouldn't have called it a lemon. It's a high mileage car, and it's moderately modified. It's not even remotely close to a 'sports' or 'performance' car.
I wouldn't expect anything else really.

I guess that's my whole point in my opinions here, perhaps it is time to move onto a better starting point. Think about it a lot.

**Stav** · 13-07-2009, 10:31 PM

Thats better

private9 · 14-07-2009, 10:17 PM

Stav, you're asking many different questions, and it seems like you don't really have a clear goal in mind.

Ask yourself what you want, and why and then research from there.

**Stav** · 14-07-2009, 11:32 PM

Its simple ..thoughts in my head I have mentioned. It could go either way...

blueoval · 15-07-2009, 12:09 AM

a very interesting set of questions you have raised Stav.

But I believe you will need to know what your end goal is definitely.

Having the 2-3 options is good, but at the same time the setups for each can be hugely different.

For example, for me, I dont see track time, I rarely see dyno days but I knew my car had to be a daily street driven and reliable vehicle that pretty much could handle being pushed as well as putted around.

Turbo FOR ME, firstly while showing impressive posibilities, just was beyond what I wanted/needed. I went the supercharger route for a couple of reasons. 1) I bought it cheap, 2) I didnt have to scrap my current exhaust system and any other mods, 3) ease of fitment.

Turbo systems are great, if all out power and quick times at the track is what your after. But if its for daily duties, do yourself a favor and think of how much extra money, time and headaches you are prepared to accept. If your like me, you'll be over spending nights/weekends/spare time in the shed constantly fixing things. You'll want to be able to get in and just drive and enjoy. Not that you cant do that with a turbo, you probably can, but as mentioned I reckon you'll need to start another rebuild.

The s/c route you can keep most of your current engine parts.

Of course some of what I said above will be argued or disagreed with. But Im only offering personal experience.

But getting back to your choices, I think YOU need to be clear on your final goals.

**Stav** · 15-07-2009, 05:52 PM

Well I have to confess that my main enjoyment of the car is daily driving. It is where the car is driven mostly so to build a race car I cant drive every day seems like a waste of effort. So the sc is the easy way..

blueoval · 15-07-2009, 08:20 PM

Considering your circumstances, I think you have made the right choice Stav.

Any idea which kit you'll be going for?

The Monty · 16-07-2009, 01:59 AM

Go the Whippple kit

justa6 · 16-07-2009, 06:50 AM

i'm not sure why there is any difference between driving it everyday weather it be blown or turbo. with a turbo you don't have belt alignment issues, and it's much easier to get more power out of down the track

blueoval · 16-07-2009, 10:54 AM

I think Stav's issues are directed more towards ease of fitment and lower costs rather than outright power.

ayeyew · 16-07-2009, 11:12 AM

Talking to my mechanic and he was saying you could get a simple turbo setup on 7-9psi for $3.5k inc tune, all bits included. Seems tempting. He has a guy selling these small turbos and manifolds for $2k or something, apparently they spool up pretty quick. He said they are good for running upto 9psi.

On another note, i like the idea of the SC nad they are soooooooooo sexy. He has an xr8 ute with a vortec in his garage. Awww man it looks sweet. Gonna run around 10psi, full 4" Di Fillipo zorst and the freeeekin size of the brakes on the bastard. OMFG.

I drooled

then soiled myself

then went home

blueoval · 16-07-2009, 11:46 AM

thats bloody cheap for a turbo kit. Not a bad prospect if that includes fitting etc. I could be wrong

Molloy · 16-07-2009, 12:55 PM

I would aim for 300rwkw, mines a hand full in the dry and its a BA not a lighter E-series

**Mont5.0** · 16-07-2009, 01:32 PM

XR6T motors can be had for 4-4.5k.

ayeyew · 16-07-2009, 01:42 PM

has anyone actually done the xr6t into AU transplant?

Besides the motor, surely there is a great deal of other things needed?

**Mont5.0** · 16-07-2009, 01:49 PM

well seeing as he said it would be de-regoed for drag use only, surely a good aftermarket ECU and tune would get it running??

blueoval · 16-07-2009, 03:04 PM

I really think Stav would like to keep some of what he has already rather than starting fresh on a new transplant

**Stav** · 16-07-2009, 04:49 PM

I like the instant grunt of superchargers vs turbo on the street and the word supercharger sounds a little cooler...like superman. Imagine calling him turboman...its just wrong lol.

The Monty · 16-07-2009, 04:59 PM

TurboMan FTW!!!
For me, the decision to be going S/C is purely based on the way our cars are set up. Ported heads, fair sized cams, extractors, etc. To turbo the car, some of these parts are not going to be useable, or in the way of the cam, completely useless, to the point of having to buy another one. The S/C setup for bang for buck is a big part as well, for me, $3900 and I have all the parts I need bar the tune, for what should be aroubf 240rwkw, which is plenty for everyday use. For a properly built turbo application, look around $10 000 plus. These are my reasons anyway.

Sox · 16-07-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

like superman. Imagine calling him turboman...its just wrong lol.

That's gold.

blueoval · 16-07-2009, 05:59 PM

LOL @ turboman.

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Its a bird, no its a plane, no its TURBOman??? hahaha

Do it Stav. Supercharger would suit your needs nicely.

justa6 · 16-07-2009, 06:24 PM

my mate's vortech blown commodore ute was as doey as hell down low, you had to thrash the out of it to get it boosting. although i think monty is talking about a positive displacement unit which would be the go maybe. centrifical blower's are definently not instant grunt.

private9 · 16-07-2009, 07:19 PM

I personally would go turbo all the way. The couple of centrifugal s/c'd 4lts I've driven aren't particularly impressive in my opinion.

Low 200s at the wheels gets boring very quickly, particularly in a heavy, auto backed car.

blueoval · 16-07-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by private9

I personally would go turbo all the way. The couple of centrifugal s/c'd 4lts I've driven aren't particularly impressive in my opinion.

Low 200s at the wheels gets boring very quickly, particularly in a heavy, auto backed car.

for an auto powered car, I kind of agree. you really need a manual to take full use of the power, but for those with auto's, some have put in low diff gears to help compensate. Still it certainly beats NA in the top end.