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27-01-2010, 11:02 AM | #1 | ||
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I'm sitting in the USA, just watched the news.
Toyota are stopping the production line of 8 models, because of the throttle pedal, it jams up with floormats. It only affects the US at this stage, and 8 models. It also has a few years variance so it's not just off the line vehicles either. Not a good way to start the year. |
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27-01-2010, 12:23 PM | #2 | ||
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could they just ditch the floor mats or is it the carpet thats the issue.
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27-01-2010, 12:47 PM | #3 | ||
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Something tells me it's not just the floor mats - perhaps that was just Toyota trying to play it down.
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27-01-2010, 01:02 PM | #4 | |||
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27-01-2010, 01:07 PM | #5 | ||
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don't most toyota's have fly by wire setup for throttles now?
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27-01-2010, 01:10 PM | #6 | |||
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27-01-2010, 01:22 PM | #7 | ||
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Expect the mother-of-all lawsuits later this year. People have died from this problem.
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27-01-2010, 01:58 PM | #8 | |||
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27-01-2010, 05:33 PM | #9 | ||
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Some interesting stories on the runaway Toyotas, http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas
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27-01-2010, 05:47 PM | #10 | |||
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From the link Cam provided...
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27-01-2010, 07:01 PM | #11 | ||
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Another link
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/26/b...lected-models/ Clearly Quality engineering is at work here...
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27-01-2010, 07:09 PM | #12 | ||
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Is this issue confined to the US or worldwide??
Edit: just re-read it's confined to the us. Though I fail to see how the designs would be different here or elsewere.
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27-01-2010, 08:40 PM | #13 | |||
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27-01-2010, 09:23 PM | #14 | ||
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This is as bad as the Firestone Tyre issue with the explorers in the U.S.
I don't care much for Toyota but I do hope no more people die driving the damn things? Would this effect equipment built in Australia? |
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27-01-2010, 09:36 PM | #15 | ||
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So the mighty Toyota juggernaut is still a mere mortal after all. I do hope no more lives are lost from this oversight.
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29-01-2010, 11:44 PM | #16 | ||
Hmmmmmmm!!
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FORD and another car company are offering a 0% finance offer, on trade in's on Toyota's, in order to get business. LOL!
Hmmmm, Toyota must have a crap load of knives in it's back. |
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30-01-2010, 12:46 AM | #17 | ||
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It effects Toyotas in Europe and China also.
Only reason why I can think it doesnt effect Aussie ones is because of RHD differences. But Toyota has a habit of ignoring Australia in regards to recalls
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30-01-2010, 02:12 AM | #18 | ||
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I heard about this going back a month or so. I was wondering how long it would be before this thread appeared. Some of the phone calls to 911 relating to this issue, and how people handled it (i.e. the driver) is beyond belief. Didn't anyone think of clutching the car or putting the transmission in neutral and applying the brakes? I feel really sorry for the people who lost their lives but geez, how could you not contemplate doing simple things like the ones I've suggested. Even Toyota have advised their customers to disengage the transmission and apply the brakes if the throttle sticks.
This will be a major issue for Toyota me thinks. It's a Firestone/Ford Explorer debacle of epic proportions.
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30-01-2010, 06:40 AM | #19 | ||
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I have been following this since it broke. There have been over 200 accidents and 19 deaths. There have been more than 2,000 incidents of this happening. Also, the pedal was suspect to be defective (without regard to the floor mat) back in November, and even back to 2007 with the Tundra.
Toyota is reporting that the pedal in cars with Drive by Wire are wearing and this causes the engine to return to idle slower than normal. Evidently it also causes acceleration as well. The pedal is produced in Canada by a company based in the US. There are already class action lawsuits in the works. Toyota was told to stop producing unsafe vehicles until they have a fix for it by a Government agency. Toyota likes to report they took the bold step to stop production when instead they were told they HAD to stop production. I believe this will be even bigger than the Firestone tire issue with Ford because Toyota has a loftier height to fall from. Everyone expected Ford to have problems but so many Americans feel Toyota can do no wrong. I am interested to see if the pedal problem results from a manufacturing defect (part vendor issue) or an inherent design flaw (Toyota design flaw). You can find tons of articles about this by doing a Google search for "Toyota drive by wire recall." As a Ford employee I just hope that this issue gets an equal amount of media coverage as Ford did with the Firestone tire issue. I too hope no one else gets put in danger while experiencing such an occurance. Steve
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30-01-2010, 07:02 AM | #20 | |||
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So toyota have been told to stop producing cars by the very same government that has a financial interest in one of its biggest competitors....free market economy my (another word for donkey)
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30-01-2010, 11:33 AM | #21 | ||
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I've expected Toyota's quality to go down hill bigtime, they have expanded so fast that they have had a mass of engineering jobs they just could not get qualified engineers to fill, so corners are being cut and workloads on existing engineers is increasing.
Now the cracks are starting to appear, and its only going to get worse for them. And FYI, there are 2 seperate problems here, one is for floor mats sticking under the throttle, and the second one is for sticking throttle pedals that don't fully return to the off position. |
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30-01-2010, 06:13 PM | #22 | |||
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Haha Toyota's dodgy quality is effecting Ford Transit vans in China.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/55108/fo...-pedal-issues/ Quote:
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30-01-2010, 06:21 PM | #23 | ||
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Toyota have a solution to the pedal problem, seems shims are to be installed to alleviate any problems.
Funny thing is changed versions of the pedals are now being sent directly to factories but not to dealers, Toyota expects to have production rolling again by the third week in February, I wonder how dealers will fare.... |
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30-01-2010, 07:55 PM | #24 | ||
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While it is not good for Toyota having this problem, there are other manufacturers out there that have their fair share of "mechanical defects" tha can potentially cause loss of life.
There are 2 other manufacturers just off the top of my head that had a brake problem. Do we avoid them? I'm sure Toyota will fix the problem and will come back blowing their trumpets loud and clear.
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31-01-2010, 03:45 AM | #25 | ||||
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31-01-2010, 04:12 AM | #26 | |||
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The pedal on 1,600 Transits, built in China for China use only, is merely from the same pedal manufacturer, it is NOT the same pedal. Ford always checks when someone has a recall that any of their parts have anything in common, and in this case it was that 1,600 pedals in China are from the same parts vendor. Ford is checking to see if the problem is related to a manufacturing defect or a Toyota design flaw, compared to the pedal that Ford used on these vehicles. ....but the media appreicates your spin. Steve
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31-01-2010, 07:35 PM | #27 | |||
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31-01-2010, 11:45 PM | #28 | ||
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wonder if the old people are still going to buy toyotas coz they'r so reliable??
seriously tho anytime lives are put in danger from faulty parts is a worry |
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01-02-2010, 12:11 PM | #29 | ||
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Ohh what a feeling !!!
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