C C C Camry HYBRID (6L per 100Km)

[Chopped]

Pretty low fuel consumption figures (lowish price as well) >

Camry Hybrid to return just 6.0L/100km

Toyota reveals better than expected fuel consumption figures for Camry Hybrid

20 January 2010
By MARTON PETTENDY
AN OFFICIAL average fuel consumption figure of just six litres per 100km and CO2 emissions of only 142 grams per kilometre will make next month’s Camry Hybrid the most economical model in Toyota’s Australian model range.

The better than expected ADR 81/02 numbers have been revealed in a promotional video on Toyota Australia’s public news website ahead of the launch of Australia’s first locally built petrol-electric model on February 8.

With pre-prototype media drives of the Camry Hybrid staged in September, its locally developed bodykit presented in December and key specifications already revealed, all that remains unknown about the Aussie Camry Hybrid is its price, which is expected to start under $35,000.

Toyota had previously heralded CO2 emissions of less than 150g/km and fuel consumption in the “low-6.0L/100km” regions, but according to the official government-approved numbers the Camry Hybrid will be as efficient as the most frugal Yaris light-car, the YR three/five-door.

They also prove Toyota’s claim the Camry Hybrid will use at least 35 per cent less fuel than locally built six-cylinder models, Holden’s Commodore (which uses as little as 9.3L/100km in 3.0-litre MY2010 base form), Ford’s Falcon and Toyota’s own Aurion, both of which return as little as 9.9L/100km. Previously, Toyota said that compared with the “most fuel-efficient big Aussie six”, the Camry Hybrid would use 40 per cent less fuel on the official urban cycle and 25 per cent less on the highway cycle.

Naturally, the Camry Hybrid will also shatter the efficiency specifications of the Camry Hybrid’s most direct mid-size sedan rivals such as the Honda Accord Euro (8.9L/100km), Toyota’s own petrol Camry (8.8L/100km), Mazda6 (from 8.0L/100km), Subaru Liberty (8.4), Kia Magentis (8.0) and Holden Epica (7.6). However, although hybrids traditionally emit less CO2 than equivalent diesel vehicles, the Camry Hybrid’s fuel-efficiency is still only average compared to mid-size oil-burning rivals such as Skoda’s Octavia (5.7L/100km), the Volkswagen Jetta and Peugeot 407 (5.9), Hyundai Sonata and Renault Laguna (6.0), Volkswagen Passat (6.6), Chrysler Sebring and Dodge Avenger (6.7) and Ford’s Mondeo (7.3).

While Toyota Australia’s no-diesel policy for the Corolla sees the Japanese giant’s small-car return a best of 7.4L/100km, Holden’s Korean-made Cruze sedan – production of which will shift to Adelaide in March next year – also undercuts the petrol-electric Camry at 5.7L/100km in diesel guise (from $24,490). Also confirmed for the Camry Hybrid is a maximum power output of 140kW – despite the fact its motor-assisted 110kW 2.4-litre four-cylinder petrol engine will be down on performance compared to the standard Camry’s 117kW output.

As we reported after our first drive, however, the Camry Hybrid’s electric engine not only delivers more torque and better acceleration than the garden-variety Camry, its unique suspension tune also makes it a crisper drive – despite being 60kg heavier. At least one specification of the Camry Hybrid will be available, with all examples featuring a drive-by-wire ‘e-CVT’ transmission, an outstanding 0.27Cd aerodynamic drag coefficient, specific bumpers, LED tail-lights and a 389-litre boot with 60/40-split folding rear seat.

As with Toyota Australia’s recently facelifted regular Camry models, the hybrid will come standard in entry-level guise with 16x6.5-inch alloy wheels and 215/60-section tyres, six airbags, foglights and Bluetooth connectivity, while a sunroof and premium sound system with satellite-navigation and a reversing camera will be optional. Production commenced in mid-December and Toyota Australia expects to sell 10,000 examples of the Camry Hybrid in its first year, with private buyers accounting for 40 per cent of sales – up from 24 per cent for the Camry previously.

sourced > http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576B100189BE0

How will it go at the "Bathurst" fuel test ?!

[Road_Warrior]

Government fleets are going to wet their pants over this one.

[Smoke Pursuit]

6 Litres per hundred?? and thats great consumption??

Retail Pricing??

I had a VE Omega in Melbourne on monday and it was returning simliar figures??

[chuckles]

my dirty old ba gets 7l/100kms on the highway which isnt much different to a hybrid anyway

[302 XC]

love these farny stories
best mates mum bought a vz svz at the time they were the most effiecent big 6
but to back the claims and reduce the fuel consumpion the ecu isolates cylinders if you over accelerate
so if you pull out at say 100klh to overtake a truck ,forget it wont do it
you have to gradually put the foot down or it starts to miss
to me thats not a safe vechicle if you cant power out of sticky situation
id prefer a car that has more control and uses more fuel
with all this technology ,multispeed gearboxes (5-6 speed autos ect ect)multi point efi they should be gettin good economy all day,but how many people actually buy these cars on these claims and actually acheive the fuel consuption claimed
how much extra $$$ are the hybrids/petrol compared to just petrol models and how long will it take to recoup extra outlay

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

6 Litres per hundred?? and thats great consumption??

For the size of the car, yes. It will put pressure on the small cars that do those figures already but lack space and power.

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

I had a VE Omega in Melbourne on monday and it was returning simliar figures??

VE Omega doing 6L/100km !

Now now, have a little lie down.

[Chilliman]

6L/100km is great but packaging is an issue in hybrids - the battery pack eats into so much of the boot space - looking through a Lexus dealership once the already small boot of the GS430 was rendered useless by the need to house the battery pack in the GS450h.

I wonder if this will cause fleets to have a re-think about the hybrid Camry, along with the $40,000 starting price?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Chopped

For the size of the car, yes. It will put pressure on the small cars that do those figures already but lack space and power.



VE Omega doing 6L/100km !

Now now, have a little lie down.

I dont lie, dont need to.. 6.8 it averaged on the day. drove from aiport to dandenong, dandenong back to cambelfield, cambelfied back to airport, reset all trip fucntions when i jumped in.

I thought being a Hybrid it would average late 4s early 5s.. I must expect too much...

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by Chilliman

....I wonder if this will cause fleets to have a re-think about the hybrid Camry, along with the $40,000 starting price?

" Camry Hybrid is its price, which is expected to start under $35,000 "

I'm not sure how much space has been lost in the Hybrid Camry.

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

I dont lie, dont need to.. 6.8 it averaged on the day. drove from aiport to dandenong, dandenong back to cambelfield, cambelfied back to airport, reset all trip fucntions when i jumped in.

I thought being a Hybrid it would average late 4s early 5s.. I must expect too much...

I thought you were having a lend of me !

That's incredible, I thought the 3L SIDI was struggling to beat the Falcon.

[sd1800]

Originally Posted by Chopped

I thought you were having a lend of me !

That's incredible, I thought the 3L SIDI was struggling to beat the Falcon.

I guess it would do High 6's sitting on the Motorway(i presume the majority of this was on the motorway, don't know Melb too well). Holden does claim 900km to a tank which is 6.6l/100km.

[Airmon]

Originally Posted by Chopped

" Camry Hybrid is its price, which is expected to start under $35,000 "

I'm not sure how much space has been lost in the Hybrid Camry.

It would be interesting to see.
What are servicing costs like for a Hybrid? Anything extra/specialised workshops needed?

Not a fan of Camry's, but progress is progress. If all the Camry drivers in the world used half the fuel they currently use that leaves more for my Falcon! Good stuff!

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Chilliman

6L/100km is great but packaging is an issue in hybrids - the battery pack eats into so much of the boot space - looking through a Lexus dealership once the already small boot of the GS430 was rendered useless by the need to house the battery pack in the GS450h.

I wonder if this will cause fleets to have a re-think about the hybrid Camry, along with the $40,000 starting price?

Doesnt stop fleets buying the eGas Falcon with the spare wheel sitting right in the middle of the boot.

I would say the Camry would have more usable boot space.

[outback_ute]

Doesn't sound too bad although note they haven't released the price yet! (subsidised by the Vic govt's $20 mill...) It will be interesting to see how the total running cost compares - I'd assume decent resale but possibly not cheaper to run?

A good 30% reduction over the straight petrol model is not bad. You can't compare the ADR average to highway-type consumption only. bfiipursuit's trip wouldn't have involved much driving off freeways or 80k zones (good traffic flow unless in peak hour).

Only 60kg extra weight indicates to me there can't be a lot of battery, so I doubt that there will be a serious space penalty. Nothing like a VZ Monaro at least!

[cosmo20btt]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

I dont lie, dont need to.. 6.8 it averaged on the day. drove from aiport to dandenong, dandenong back to cambelfield, cambelfied back to airport, reset all trip fucntions when i jumped in.

I thought being a Hybrid it would average late 4s early 5s.. I must expect too much...

Don't believe every thing a trip computer tells you, I did & ended up walking to the servo.
Especially a Holden one.

[irlewy86]

Under 35k..... Isn't that cheaper than the smaller Prius?

[302 XC]

as said we will wait and see the retail price
bfiipursuit,
hybrid or not cmon 4-5 l/100 ks ?????

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

I dont lie, dont need to.. 6.8 it averaged on the day. drove from aiport to dandenong, dandenong back to cambelfield, cambelfied back to airport, reset all trip fucntions when i jumped in.

I thought being a Hybrid it would average late 4s early 5s.. I must expect too much...

It's alright. Add the usual Commodore fudge factor and you get an additional 10% to bring it up to 7.5L. That Drive Bathurst article showed a picture of the 'consumption' on the trip computer. It was in the 9s IIRC and the actual consumption was 11.x L/100km.

[phillyc]

6.0L / 100km economy is excellent.

[vztrt]

It's gonna be the same price to service as a reg Camry...according to Toyota.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576B9001D9250

[sarrge2001]

But.........it's still a Camry........

[NRG 290]

It's still ugly and soulless. It's a lot of money for something that makes you want to drive off a cliff.

[kezzer]

Originally Posted by phillyc

6.0L / 100km economy is excellent.

Will probably be alot worse then that, especially on the esteemed 'bathurst test'

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Government fleets are going to wet their pants over this one.

Gulp! Your not kidding ... Kicked out of a Territory and into a Hybrid-Camry faster than one can say "CO2 emmissions".

Waaaaa! I want my Territory back ... Waaaaa

[prydey]

Originally Posted by sd1800

Holden does claim 900km to a tank which is 6.6l/100km.

how do you get 6.6L??

they have a 73L tank. 73/900= 8.1L/100km!


on a side note, tonight on one of the sensationlist shows (tt/aca) they ran a segment on the green bags we use at the shops, commenting how the cost to manufacture far outweighs the good they do. apparently if you include the manufature cost and process, they are worse for the environment than the old plastic bags.

what amused me, is these same journo's are usually the ones who wet themselves over hybrids, and whinge when govt people don't use them. the irony is, the same principal applies. the cost and process of manufacture of a hybrid offsets any advantage the car has on the road. what happens to the batteries when they die?

of course no one will dare to do a feature 'against' hybrids as they will be seen as 'anti green'!!

[Mr Hardware]

ADR 81/02 ≠ Freak Highway Economy

[Falcon_Crazy]

Cheaper than the prius? Imagine of they removed this stupid non diesel in anything non commercial...would be a better story. Hope they come with a cardigan though...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

ADR 81/02 ≠ Freak Highway Economy

how so???

the sidi commo extra urban adr figure is 7.3 (3L) and 7.6 (3.6L)! hardly freakish.

pretty sure the fg's can achieve pretty close to the adr figure as well.

whenever adr81/02 COMBINED figures are used, everyone assumes its talking the 'urban' cycle.

[mik]

i`m a bit sceptical that it will be as cheap to run over a larger period of time, first 4 services are ok but what after that, are there any hi mileage prius owners here that can give us the good oil so to speak?

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by phillyc

6.0L / 100km economy is excellent.

It is. I may be no fan of the camry (or most toyota products) but it is a good result. The pricing, if kept below $35k would be tempting even for privat buyers let alone fleets. Of course, the real problem is how it goes verus rival tech.

Using the mondeo as an example (but you coudl use mazda 6 etc.) the petrol mondeo base model is $32k (i think). Now if the camry base model hybrid came in at $35k then that is aproximately 7500ks you need to do to recover the hybrid cost (very rough figures). (based on 9.5L/100km for the mondeo auto). That is well within one year of ownership.

Now, see what happens if you take into account the likely ecoboost engines that mondeo will get (lowering fuel burn to 7.5-8.0L/100km). now it suddenly takes alot longer (nearly 14000km). So in effect if you drive around for a year and a bit in your hybrid camry you pay off the increased price of the car over its nojn hybrid competitors.


THe only concern i woudl have is that you need to drive camry for a year LOL! Its not really in the same class Re handling/ride or even build quality for that matter. So while i think it is much better value than the usual stuff from toyota it is still just a camry no?