VE Commodore to be Half Foreign

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by Black XR6

So what percentage of the current model falcon is locally produced?

85%, which is pretty good

[Black XR6]

If thats the case it is very good.

Why dosnt ford marketing jump on this chance to show just how Aussie fords falcon is compared to Holden. Try to break some of the Football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars rot. It aint slander or defanatory if its true.

[Dilan]

Originally Posted by Black XR6

If thats the case it is very good.

Why dosnt ford marketing jump on this chance to show just how Aussie fords falcon is compared to Holden. Try to break some of the Football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars rot. It aint slander or defanatory if its true.

The only problem is that there is a strong stereotype that Holden is 'Australia's driving force' and FORD is just some American company. However things do seem to be changing, and Ford should capitilise on this.

[Black XR6]

Yeah Dilan but thats my point. The only way Ford will change it is via effective innovative advertising. Ford marketing really lets ford down I think.

[Dilan]

Originally Posted by Black XR6

Yeah Dilan but thats my point. The only way Ford will change it is via effective innovative advertising. Ford marketing really lets ford down I think.

Sorry I quoted the wrong person :hihi:, but I totally agree with you!

[grahill]

Holden are a better seller, purely because they are a better marketer. If more people purchased cars with the heads instead of their hearts, I am sure Ford would be doing better. However when I say that, look what Holden export compared to the figures they sell in Australia. A lot of the Holdens they sell here are imports, Rodeo (Isuzu), Vectra, etc etc,. Ford export to NZ and South Africa and sell stacks of Aussie made cars in Australia as a percentage comparison.

Holden and it's many expensive varients compared to Falcon, Territory and it's varients. Add all the varients SOLD HERE IN AUSSIE LAND and I think it would be very close.

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[MethodX]

Same goes for a lot of Fords range being imported.
Courier, explorer, Focus, Econovan.

[Black XR6]

I think its funny that Holden, the Australian car, are the car with the least percentage of local produced material in the family car range.

[grahill]

Yeah forgot about a few models, so thought I'd go and count:

Holden:

Imported...

Barina x 3 models
Astra x 9 models
Vectra x 4 models
Cruze
Zafira
Combo
Rodeo x 6 models
Jackaroo x 1

Locally made...

Commodore x 9 models
Berlina x 2 models
Calais
Statesman x 2 models
Utes x 6 models
Adventra x 4 models
Crewman x 5 models
Caprice
Monaro x 2 models


Total 57 (Excluding HPV)

25 Imported
32 Locally made


Ford:

Imported...

Fiesta x 3 models
Focus x 6 models
Escape x 5 models
Courier x 10 models
Econovan x 3 models
Transit x 7 models
F Series x 11 models
Explorer (Soon to be scrapped) x 3 models

Locally made...

Falcon x 9 Models
Fairlane x 3 models
Territory x 6 models
Falcon Ute x 9 models


75 total (excluding FPV)

48 imported
27 locally made


Now to get all the data of locally made units actually sold in Australia (excluding vehicles destined for overseas export) and the sales of imported vehicles is a harder job. How close is Ford and Holden?

[AUIII XR8 MAN]

Originally Posted by JCXR8

Momo gear for the falcons is made in Mexico, and they still charge $800 for a wheel. It's not all about cost, it's about profit. ie where can I source this part from to make the maximum profit? Even if costs were dramatically slashed by importing everything and assembling locally, the only things that would change would be the profit margin, and the unemployment rate.

Sad but ture.

[FTE217]

I'd love to know just how much of the BA is imported product ?!
Bet you its just as high or close to the VE.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

I'd love to know just how much of the BA is imported product ?!
Bet you its just as high or close to the VE.

15% imported i believe..

[Perana]

BA is 85% Australian Produced

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by grahill

Yeah forgot about a few models, so thought I'd go and count:

Holden:

Imported...

Barina x 3 models
Astra x 9 models
Vectra x 4 models
Cruze
Zafira
Combo
Rodeo x 6 models
Jackaroo x 1

Locally made...

Commodore x 9 models
Berlina x 2 models
Calais
Statesman x 2 models
Utes x 6 models
Adventra x 4 models
Crewman x 5 models
Caprice
Monaro x 2 models


Total 57 (Excluding HPV)

25 Imported
32 Locally made


Ford:

Imported...

Fiesta x 3 models
Focus x 6 models
Escape x 5 models
Courier x 10 models
Econovan x 3 models
Transit x 7 models
F Series x 11 models
Explorer (Soon to be scrapped) x 3 models

Locally made...

Falcon x 9 Models
Fairlane x 3 models
Territory x 6 models
Falcon Ute x 9 models


75 total (excluding FPV)

48 imported
27 locally made


Now to get all the data of locally made units actually sold in Australia (excluding vehicles destined for overseas export) and the sales of imported vehicles is a harder job. How close is Ford and Holden?

If Berlina and Calais are seperate from Commodore, then Fairmont and Fairmont Ghia should be seperate from Falcon.. thats 29 locally made Ford models, and a total of 77 Fords. And Statesman and Caprice are seperate in your list, make that 30 local Fords and 78 total.. as that should make Fairlane and LTD seperate.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by EF_Dave

tell that to the 1400 people who have just lost their job, and not to mention more unemployed from other companys as holden is importing rather then using Australian companys for their parts.

Dude thats not the point im getting across.

Im talking about the cars themselves not the 1400 people that lost their jobs.

[347Stroker]

It would have to be mostly imported, we dont make that much sh1t here in Australia..

[DRU842]

Originally Posted by chevypower

the Holden 5 litre V8 was designed here (inspired by a Pontiac engine though) ok you can no longer by it, but the fact that the 4 litre inline 6 was designed around the same time, means nobody is making a living by designing an engine locally by Ford AUstralia at the moment, as a result of buying a Falcon. BOth companies have local devlopment constantly going on with their engines, and both 6s are assembled here, Ford assemble the Boss engines here, but really, i dont think there are too many differences in percentage of Australianism in either of the cars, as it has been said, buy the car you want for what it is and be happy with it

I think you need a reality check on the history of the Ford I6. The bore centres are the same as the original, that's about it. The block casting has undergone numerous internal & external design changes over the years, the head design changes have been even more extensive, cross-flow, EFI, OHC, VCT, DOHC and the vast majority of this work having been done when there has been nothing else like it in the world-wide Ford family, meaning the vast majority of the work has been done locally. Both the block iron & heads alloy are cast in Geelong.
Most of the development work done on the GM V6's (old & new) has been done OS, with very little Australian input. Local suppliers are being used for some OS speced parts but the bulk of the castings are imported, Holden having sent Ion into receivership trying to get local content up.
The content figure posted elsewhere are accurate, the two cars are vastly different by any measure of local content.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by EF_Dave

tell that to the 1400 people who have just lost their job, and not to mention more unemployed from other companys as holden is importing rather then using Australian companys for their parts.

Exactly. People tend to pompously feel immune to losses in manufacturing as though they think that their job, in their industry is safe. What people don't realise is that less manufacturing jobs mean these now unemployed people will be retrained and potentially get employment in another non manufacturing industry. Experience I hear you say? Well how about a 20K paycut on a 100K job. Me thinks that will get any prospective employer to seriously consider the inexperienced over the higher price experienced, and ergo these pompous asses jobs are not safe.

All this crap started with that bastard Keating and his "clever country" rubbish, especially when he decided to remove the quotas on most foreign cars, as well as lowering the tarriffs on ALL industries. Quote me on this, we will pay for our short-sightedness. Just remember, EVERY other country protects it industries, it does not stand on the front lawn with its pants down grabbing its ankles whilst wearing a sign saying "Welcome Foreigners".

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by ltd

Exactly. People tend to pompously feel immune to losses in manufacturing as though they think that their job, in their industry is safe. What people don't realise is that less manufacturing jobs mean these now unemployed people will be retrained and potentially get employment in another non manufacturing industry. Experience I hear you say? Well how about a 20K paycut on a 100K job. Me thinks that will get any prospective employer to seriously consider the inexperienced over the higher price experienced, and ergo these pompous asses jobs are not safe.

All this crap started with that bastard Keating and his "clever country" rubbish, especially when he decided to remove the quotas on most foreign cars, as well as lowering the tarriffs on ALL industries. Quote me on this, we will pay for our short-sightedness. Just remember, EVERY other country protects it industries, it does not stand on the front lawn with its pants down grabbing its ankles whilst wearing a sign saying "Welcome Foreigners".

Well said. Our politicians have ensured that the manufacturing industry in this country will be rapped by cheaper imports. So who is going to buy the imported cars when we don't have jobs or money?

FF

[CAMS290]

Originally Posted by VY18s

Forgive me if im wrong but isnt the BOSS V8 a American engine?

You are forgiven and yes !!! you are wrong !!

They are built here from imported and locally produced components