HJ Kingswood question -

[fairBA]

Quick question -
what sort of times (roughly) should one expect a standard (as much as can be), mechanically sound, manual, 4 door, 4.2 and 5.0l Hj's to do for a 0-100 and 1/4?

[Peter B - CV8]

Google is your friend......
- HJ (Auto) 253 = 14.4 seconds (0-100kph) & 19.3 seconds for the quarter.
- HJ (Auto) 308 = 13.4 seconds (0-100kph) & 18.1 seconds for the quarter.
I don't think a manual would be appreciably faster - a bit sad isn't it ????

[Boosh Brus]

I googled as well and got:

# 253 HJ Premier Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 83 mph (134 km/h)
* 3rd: n/a
* 0-100 km/h: 14.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 19.3 seconds

# 308 V8 HJ Monaro GTS four-door Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 91 mph (147 km/h)
* 3rd: 113 mph (182 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 10.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 18.1 seconds

# 308 V8 Statesman Caprice Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 48 mph (77 km/h)
* 2nd: 82 mph (132 km/h)
* 3rd: 113 mph (182 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 13.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 17.9 seconds

# 308 V8 Statesman Caprice Turbo-Hydramatic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 93 mph (150 km/h)
* 3rd: 112 mph (180 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 11.2 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 17.6 seconds

[mik]

amazeing how far we have come, a 4 cylander these days would leave them in dust.

[Boosh Brus]

Originally Posted by mik

amazeing how far we have come, a 4 cylander these days would leave them in dust.

I had to Google that as well:
Hyundai Accent GS hatchback 3-door – I4 1.6L (110 hp) 5M + (no ABS):
0-60mph - 9.35 seconds
1/4 mile - 17.17 seconds
1/4 mile speed - 81.70 mph

Does this mean in 35 years we will have 12 second 4 bangers?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Boosh Brus

I googled as well and got:

# 253 HJ Premier Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 83 mph (134 km/h)
* 3rd: n/a
* 0-100 km/h: 14.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 19.3 seconds

# 308 V8 HJ Monaro GTS four-door Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 91 mph (147 km/h)
* 3rd: 113 mph (182 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 10.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 18.1 seconds

# 308 V8 Statesman Caprice Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 48 mph (77 km/h)
* 2nd: 82 mph (132 km/h)
* 3rd: 113 mph (182 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 13.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 17.9 seconds

# 308 V8 Statesman Caprice Turbo-Hydramatic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 93 mph (150 km/h)
* 3rd: 112 mph (180 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 11.2 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 17.6 seconds

Which is probably why it was never a problem to have P platers driving V8s 30 years ago....

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by flappist

Which is probably why it was never a problem to have P platers driving V8s 30 years ago....

Exactly.. My first car; a 351 4spd XC sounds scary but in reality would get hosed off by my FG XR6..
Today's base 6 cyls are probably too powerful for inexperienced drivers now.

[calais]

The HJ V8 was a heap in standard form. The 253 made do with the weak as 2 barrel stromberg solex. The 308 with the four barrel rochester, was streets ahead as far as performance went.

The little 253 never went better than when Brock breathed on it in the VH group 2, it that guise it packed around 148kw. The group two package included cylinder heads, brock exhaust and a cam.

If you want the best of the Holden Carburetted V8 experience, the VK 5.0 SS group A was the best they ever got.

The HX Kingswood rates amongst the worst, along with the VL 5.0 Black motor. The VL was particularly bad, with a terrible cam, and marketed as a torque machine (the 322nm wouldn't have pulled a drunken sailor off your sister)

[paule11]

Pollution gear crippled most of the cars after 1974a different cam and a bit of fiddling made them run well.
I agree the VL was a horrible car to drive I was very dissapointed when I drove one in 1987.

[302 XC]

didnt the VH 253 come standard with a four barrell ????
or was it optional
sure mate had one , not 100 %
didnt really take much noticed about anything "general"
went like a cut snake
anyway back to the quarter times for the dirty old kingswood
1/4 times
were about 3 sandwiches and 6 beers wasnt it ???
PS
bloke i worked with had an hx stocka 253 auto,
against my stocko 179 3 spd hd ute , he had 1 guard on me
when i put twin carbs on the ute
the 253 was dusted

[Fairlane]

A long time.

Ive got a HX with a 202. 0-100 probably comes up around 15 sec. Short diff ratio helps if off the line, but by 145kmh its all over. Once you get over 115 or so acceloration doesnt happen easily and besides its too noisy at that speed. The v8s would certainly be better, and ADR27a really knoced the Hp about, so a HJ would be a fair bit quicker.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Boosh Brus

I googled as well and got:

# 308 V8 HJ Monaro GTS four-door Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 91 mph (147 km/h)
* 3rd: 113 mph (182 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 10.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 18.1 seconds

# 308 V8 Statesman Caprice Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 48 mph (77 km/h)
* 2nd: 82 mph (132 km/h)
* 3rd: 113 mph (182 km/h)
* 0-100 km/h: 13.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 17.9 seconds

How can the statesman be so muchslower to 100 but quicker down the quarter? I think there must be an error here somewhere.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Exactly.. My first car; a 351 4spd XC sounds scary but in reality would get hosed off by my FG XR6..
Today's base 6 cyls are probably too powerful for inexperienced drivers now.

Yep old V8s are still banned and new 6s are fine, hence why we should introduce banning by power to weight ratio, let the P platers drive the older V8s, government wins anyway because all it does is use more fuel, which means more $$$ for government. Honda S2000 does 0-100km/h in 6.6 seconds, its a 172kw naturally aspirated 2L 4 cylinder.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Boosh Brus

I googled as well and got:

# 253 HJ Premier Tri-Matic automatic:

* 1st: 56 mph (90 km/h)
* 2nd: 83 mph (134 km/h)
* 3rd: n/a
* 0-100 km/h: 14.4 seconds
* Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 19.3 seconds

I had a 253 HX. Felt quicker than the majority of the cars on the road at the time and certainly was quicker than the 250 XD it replaced, but boy.. did it sound sexy not going very fast. I miss that car.

[calais]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

didnt the VH 253 come standard with a four barrell ????
or was it optional
sure mate had one , not 100 %
didnt really take much noticed about anything "general"
went like a cut snake
anyway back to the quarter times for the dirty old kingswood
1/4 times
were about 3 sandwiches and 6 beers wasnt it ???
PS
bloke i worked with had an hx stocka 253 auto,
against my stocko 179 3 spd hd ute , he had 1 guard on me
when i put twin carbs on the ute
the 253 was dusted

Yes, the 1982 VH brought with it the last time the 253 would be fitted to a commodore. The 'blue' update bought the four barrel Rochester and host of other changes, mostly to the cylinder heads and inlet manifold. Holden didnt quote any power or torque changes, but anyone who knows their way around a Rochester and how to tune them could unleash a few more neddies.

Sadly way too many Rochester four barrel carbies were junked in favour of Holleys and the like just because people couldn't be stuffed getting them running right. The Rochester is a damn good carburettor and for their size, flow very very well.

[Mr Hardware]

Yeah my VH isn't tooo bad 0-100, but it'd be well in excess of 10sec. Probably around 12-13 i'd estimate. Blue 202.

The 253, what was they saying? Performance of a six, economy of an eight?

[JACK250]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

The 253, what was they saying? Performance of a six, economy of an eight?

And the sound of a tractor!

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by JACK250

And the sound of a tractor!

More like the sound of 2 thongs slapping together very fast....

[J.C.]

Have a look in the May Motor mag. Yeah yeah. I know. Don't believe what they say blah blah blah.
There is a write up on "The first Aussie V8". Apparently, the little 253 was it and started Australia love for the V8.
0-100 times. About 10ish I think.
It's worth a read. Other then that, it maybe five minutes of your life you'll never get back, pending on what you get out of the article.

[paule11]

People always knocked 253 engines I have been in plenty of holdens with good 253 engines in them .
I remember once someone saying that a charger that was doing a burnout was crap .
He said it was crap because it was an auto I was impressed to see an burnout over 80 metres long .

[calais]

IMHO The little 253 never got the credit it deserved for serving up V8 grunt for six cylinder money for all those years. It was Australias first home grown V8, and was priced where any working man could afford to have one in the shed.

Just like Ford's flathead which ignited the American love affair of the V8, the Holden 253 and 308, should get some kind of recognition for dispensing V8 grunt to the Australian masses!

Fair enough they might not have the cachet amongst the ford fans here on the Forums like the Mighty Cleveland, Humble Windsor and the Boss, but a little credit where credit is due perhaps?

[xy500]

Originally Posted by calais

IMHO The little 253 never got the credit it deserved for serving up V8 grunt for six cylinder money for all those years. It was Australias first home grown V8, and was priced where any working man could afford to have one in the shed.

Just like Ford's flathead which ignited the American love affair of the V8, the Holden 253 and 308, should get some kind of recognition for dispensing V8 grunt to the Australian masses!

Fair enough they might not have the cachet amongst the ford fans here on the Forums like the Mighty Cleveland, Humble Windsor and the Boss, but a little credit where credit is due perhaps?

"grunt" you say? they delivered ******** all power and guzzled like you wouldn't believe. The only difference was the all amazing v8 exhaust sound.

It really gets my goat people talking up 308's especially" Myne has 400hp NA or myne has 500 hp stock standard with an exhaust" too bad they get blown away by six cylinders. I don't even want to get started on 253's. I knew a bloke who had a holley 650 on his 253, he didn't understand when i tried to explain it would actually go better with a smaller carby. "bigger carby is better" apparently.

[Stoney!]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Yeah my VH isn't tooo bad 0-100, but it'd be well in excess of 10sec. Probably around 12-13 i'd estimate. Blue 202.

The 253, what was they saying? Performance of a six, economy of an eight?

Aint that the truth, what a lemon of an engine. Had one in the HZ! However I disagree with it sounding like a tractor, I think it sounded sweet.

Stoney!

[calais]

Originally Posted by xy500

"grunt" you say? they delivered ******** all power and guzzled like you wouldn't believe. The only difference was the all amazing v8 exhaust sound.

It really gets my goat people talking up 308's especially" Myne has 400hp NA or myne has 500 hp stock standard with an exhaust" too bad they get blown away by six cylinders. I don't even want to get started on 253's. I knew a bloke who had a holley 650 on his 253, he didn't understand when i tried to explain it would actually go better with a smaller carby. "bigger carby is better" apparently.

Err. Regardless of your previous experience, I don't believe anyone has made such outrageous calls in this thread.

And, just to clarify, I used the term "grunt" loosely.

[mik]

Originally Posted by J.C.

Have a look in the May Motor mag. Yeah yeah. I know. Don't believe what they say blah blah blah.
There is a write up on "The first Aussie V8". Apparently, the little 253 was it and started Australia love for the V8.
0-100 times. About 10ish I think.
It's worth a read. Other then that, it maybe five minutes of your life you'll never get back, pending on what you get out of the article.

i think you are mistaken, it was the mighty mustang equipped 1967 xr v8 falcon started it all, a ripping engine for its day, even in 2 barrel form it was pretty good.

[MexicanBatman]

******** poor effort Holden.

I had an ap5 push button auto totally stock only mod was optimax and advanced the dizzy then backed it off when it would ping.
( totaly stock 225 slant 1bbl carb points push button auto)
On the gtech 0-100km/h was 9.5 sec

mind you this was on a $100 motor I brought that sat uncovered in a guys driveway and was full of water. Supprising it went at all

this was a slant 6

I won't even mention what the 265 went like in another valiant made my mates hot 186 seem like a fat kid on a trike with square wheels LOL

[302 XC]

with above reference to 253 Vs 250 ford stocko what does better burnouts
easy ford 250 all day everyday
253 were ok (used loosely of course) for wat they were
but seriously they were all bark and no bite
coming from the ford camp here anything other side of fence is all rubbish
but i think those they payout on the 308 holden motor maybe need to rethink there views
i think the 308 can hold its head up high
it has the runs on the board to prove its worth

[big_landau]

Originally Posted by andrewg6e

******** poor effort Holden.

I had an ap5 push button auto totally stock only mod was optimax and advanced the dizzy then backed it off when it would ping.
( totaly stock 225 slant 1bbl carb points push button auto)
On the gtech 0-100km/h was 9.5 sec

mind you this was on a $100 motor I brought that sat uncovered in a guys driveway and was full of water. Supprising it went at all

this was a slant 6

I won't even mention what the 265 went like in another valiant made my mates hot 186 seem like a fat kid on a trike with square wheels LOL

slant 6 was a realy good motor that went well and wouldnt supprise me at all to see one blowing a 253 off.250 log motor will also blow off a 253 and the 265 hemi well forget that it was ahead of them all.

[ebxr8240]

The 265 was way ahead of the 255 slant also..

[burnz]

Originally Posted by big_landau

slant 6 was a realy good motor that went well and wouldnt supprise me at all to see one blowing a 253 off.250 log motor will also blow off a 253 and the 265 hemi well forget that it was ahead of them all.

slant 6 was rubbish in my expereance allways no5 threw the side.
hemi was better.

as for 253 v 250, no contest 253 wins.
me and my mate's had good battle with 253 v 289 v 283 and they were all very even, hard driven even.