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20-06-2010, 01:03 PM | #1 | ||
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We've seena lot of discussion around the forum of late about weight reduction in our vehicles with the underlying view that weight reduction leads to improvements in performance and economy. Obviously.
I thought it was probably a good opportunity to have a look at the power and torque to weight ratios of various Falcon models throughout the history of Ford in Australia to see how they compared. Note: Weights used for the purpose of this table are either averages for the model range or based on a specific variant when they match and are known. First up weight to power, measured as kg/kW - in this instance the lower the figure the better and it's interesting to note how well the late models figure in this table although some of the hero models of yesteryear have made their way into the top half of the table, notably the XW GT in 5th and the 351 equipped XA/XB in 10th. Next, a look at the torque to weight, measured as kg/nM and like the earlier set the lower the figure, the better. This time, the table is led by the XW GT and the earlier models figure prominently at the upper end of the table. Cheers Russ
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Great work once again Russ! Interesting to see the comparisons
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20-06-2010, 01:37 PM | #3 | ||
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I think the AU XR6 VCT was alot heavier than the HP (~1530kg) due to IRS. Somewhere closer to the XR8- up around 1600kg.
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20-06-2010, 02:07 PM | #4 | ||
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Would be interesting to see the figures on the XY Phase 3. Unofficial claims said they were producing well over Fords claimed 226kw, but more like 285kw and who knows how much torque.
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20-06-2010, 02:18 PM | #5 | ||
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Hard to believe the EL GT 1668kg dry
last time I was at the tip I got my EL Xr8 347 manual weighted 1655kg with the golf clubs an half tank a fuel prob round 50kilos on board car has spoilers heavy Fr17 simmons wheels etc as for torque to weight must be pretty good as it eats FPV GT 290's
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20-06-2010, 03:11 PM | #6 | ||
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nice work SIR RUSS as always, imagine these older bangers with better diff ratio`s and 6 speed auto , even better the big banger late models with 70`s weight`s , .........ooooooeeeeeeeeyyyyy.
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20-06-2010, 03:23 PM | #7 | ||
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You need to remember that a car making 300hp back in the 70's would not really have 300hp by todays measurements.
Back then engines were dynoed minus accessories, and I think measured in SAE and not DIN? |
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20-06-2010, 03:30 PM | #8 | ||
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I dont think the weights are right for the XD/XE V8s, that looks like the 6cyl figures?.
EBGT was 1650kg I thought too Anyway, nice work. Also add the ED XR8 Sprint which was 1580kg 192kw/405nm kw:kg = 8.23 nm:kg = 3.9
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20-06-2010, 05:32 PM | #9 | ||
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The weight figures used are all from Ford brochures as printed at the time but as these were manufacturers claims and different State registration branches have used alternate ones they should be taken with a grain of salt.
Cheers Russ
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20-06-2010, 05:56 PM | #10 | ||
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Nice work Russ!
Incidentally, i weighed my AU1 VCT auto at the council weighbridge. 1680kg with driver and minimal fual on board. So, 1600kg kerb weight.
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20-06-2010, 10:54 PM | #11 | ||
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Can't believe how light the XF's were. I remember when paying dads rego for his XF I noticed they were considered a medium sized car.. probably went by weight rather than size.
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